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Old 04-09-10, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ultimatejay
Ito got a couple questions-

1. Why are the mph numbers so low? With this ET the mph should be around or close to 150. Is it due to running such low gear ratios? That's the only thing I can think of?

2. Do you know the weight of these cars?

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mph is down because their is not enough horsepower and torque for the 150mph trap speed. weigth of the cars i'll find out soon.
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jesus, that guy made it look easy. i especially liked seeing how cleanly it went down the track. many of the quick Starlets i see can get squirrely. i only detected slight corrections in the video clips and i find that both car and driver deserve props.
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Originally Posted by Fritz Flynn
OOPS just saw it's all motor

DAMN those puppies must be extremely light
will you want us to run our engines in ARMY tanks? Will you run yours in them?
In drag racing you combine engine power and lowest allowable weight, logically. Plus a few other minor tricks. The engine and rest including chassi/body must be completely trickout. THATS THE difference between non record holders and record holders, get it? cheers!
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Originally Posted by MOBEONER
transmissions are a wonderful thing...
transmissions? so that means you can do 9.6et with the right trans? more to the engine builders (think!!!!sometimes over 12,000rpm off the line, plus the high horsepower engines they build) and also to the drivers, for their skills and experience...! etc,etc. Its more than you may think.
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Originally Posted by Pedro Racing
transmissions? so that means you can do 9.6et with the right trans? more to the engine builders (think!!!!sometimes over 12,000rpm off the line, plus the high horsepower engines they build) and also to the drivers, for their skills and experience...! etc,etc. Its more than you may think.
I agree.
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Originally Posted by Pedro Racing
will you want us to run our engines in ARMY tanks? Will you run yours in them?
In drag racing you combine engine power and lowest allowable weight, logically. Plus a few other minor tricks. The engine and rest including chassi/body must be completely trickout. THATS THE difference between non record holders and record holders, get it? cheers!
True, but in the U.S. there are weight restrictions and rules to be able to run and compete in competitions in the all motor classes. For example in the all motor class we have, you have to run stock chassis, no tubbing, 9" tire is the largest you can use and you have to weigh 1850lbs with stock trans. If you use clutchless- add 100lbs, if you use methenol its another 50 or 100lbs. So most of us have to weigh 1950lbs+ and we are running againsts Hondas that make more power that weigh 1600lbs. I don't know what the weight restrictions are in PR but those starlets look pretty light.

Not trying to take anything away from these amazing runs, just letting you know how crappy we have it here as far as rules for the rotary vs piston.
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Originally Posted by ultimatejay
True, but in the U.S. there are weight restrictions and rules to be able to run and compete in competitions in the all motor classes. For example in the all motor class we have, you have to run stock chassis, no tubbing, 9" tire is the largest you can use and you have to weigh 1850lbs with stock trans. If you use clutchless- add 100lbs, if you use methenol its another 50 or 100lbs. So most of us have to weigh 1950lbs+ and we are running againsts Hondas that make more power that weigh 1600lbs. I don't know what the weight restrictions are in PR but those starlets look pretty light.

Not trying to take anything away from these amazing runs, just letting you know how crappy we have it here as far as rules for the rotary vs piston.
..but you have to understand that back east, Florida, and PR all build cars for personal enjoyment and not for any sanctioning bodies...this is the primary reason why sanctioning bodies like nhra sport compact do not click with these type of racers. build the car for yourself and tell the regulating bodies to get lost.
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Originally Posted by rotaryB-2000
..but you have to understand that back east, Florida, and PR all build cars for personal enjoyment and not for any sanctioning bodies...this is the primary reason why sanctioning bodies like nhra sport compact do not click with these type of racers. build the car for yourself and tell the regulating bodies to get lost.
I hear you, it's all about what you want to do and what makes you happy.
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Originally Posted by ultimatejay
True, but in the U.S. there are weight restrictions and rules to be able to run and compete in competitions in the all motor classes. For example in the all motor class we have, you have to run stock chassis, no tubbing, 9" tire is the largest you can use and you have to weigh 1850lbs with stock trans. If you use clutchless- add 100lbs, if you use methenol its another 50 or 100lbs. So most of us have to weigh 1950lbs+ and we are running againsts Hondas that make more power that weigh 1600lbs. I don't know what the weight restrictions are in PR but those starlets look pretty light.

Not trying to take anything away from these amazing runs, just letting you know how crappy we have it here as far as rules for the rotary vs piston.
jay.. **** BOTI or IDRC.. NSCRA has realistic rules and weight requirements. is just a matter of time before NSCRA is running your way. La Cecil and all east coast cars meet NSCRA all motor weight rules..
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Update for you A/M fans...

I just got a pic of a Grey 1st gen A/M car that's ready to take the NSCRA by storm and reset the stock chassis A/M record

The Old Man is BACK!!
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Originally Posted by Judge Ito
jay.. **** BOTI or IDRC.. NSCRA has realistic rules and weight requirements. is just a matter of time before NSCRA is running your way. La Cecil and all east coast cars meet NSCRA all motor weight rules..
I hope so.... BOTI and IDRC rules for rotary are a f-ing joke to say the least. They are all geared so that the Honda is in first place and no matter what we say they don't change anything. Honda mph-150, Rotary mph-125-130. Honda weight 1600lbs, rotary weight 1950. WTF??????????????????? Are they that stupid blind they can't see how unfair it is? I'm sure it all comes down to fing politics!
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Originally Posted by ultimatejay
I hope so.... BOTI and IDRC rules for rotary are a f-ing joke to say the least. They are all geared so that the Honda is in first place and no matter what we say they don't change anything. Honda mph-150, Rotary mph-125-130. Honda weight 1600lbs, rotary weight 1950. WTF??????????????????? Are they that stupid blind they can't see how unfair it is? I'm sure it all comes down to fing politics!
yeah,your right, those cheating bstrds, but WE STILL FUC hondas IN THEIR ***** WITH OUR PANTS ON!!!

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3/4 chassis or not, these cars are making some impressive et's.

I say forget building your cars to anyones rules, if i had more time and $ i'd make my car alot more lighter than it is. my car weighs 1960 lbs with me in it
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Originally Posted by pportrx3
3/4 chassis or not, these cars are making some impressive et's.

I say forget building your cars to anyones rules, if i had more time and $ i'd make my car alot more lighter than it is. my car weighs 1960 lbs with me in it
Holy shnikies Steve you're alive? lol Wha'ts up? I haven't seen or heard from you from when your transmission wouldn't go into 5th gear. Any plans on racing this year?
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La Cecil weighs 1700 lbs according to GRS. Much props to them for getting that thing dialed in.
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After talking to the owner of La Cecil. I found out the car is a 1/2 CHASSIS not a 3/4 and tips the scale @ 1731 lbs.
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Thanks Ito for the numbers. That is pretty light but still a very impressive et.
If I remember correctly when Padilla ran the 9.8 he was weighing close to 2100lbs. Just imagine if his car was 1/2 chassis and weighed 1732lbs.
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Yeah, that was with Leco driving. With Juanchy it probably dipped in the 1600s. According to NHRA, 100lbs = .1 of a second. Just a piece of mind.
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Thanks for clarification Judge, we are still quite green in the UK regarding NA Rotary drag cars.
Awesome NA power very impressive
I agree with Beefcake makes my turbo efforts seem very gay lol
Me and the car need a diet, the car,me and quarter tank of fuel weigh 2815 lbs, Im allowed to run 2297 lbs in the class I run in.
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Originally Posted by blitzboy
Thanks for clarification Judge, we are still quite green in the UK regarding NA Rotary drag cars.
Awesome NA power very impressive
I agree with Beefcake makes my turbo efforts seem very gay lol
Me and the car need a diet, the car,me and quarter tank of fuel weigh 2815 lbs, Im allowed to run 2297 lbs in the class I run in.
no worries.. and as far as your heavy car.. keep in mind this is drag racing, if your 500lbs over weight u need a diet in a hurry!! remember it's u vs that extra weight vs that clock..
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Originally Posted by pportrx3
3/4 chassis or not, these cars are making some impressive et's.

I say forget building your cars to anyones rules, if i had more time and $ i'd make my car alot more lighter than it is. my car weighs 1960 lbs with me in it
yes sir... impressive indeed... and NSCRA rules are on point..
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I just read the rules for this class- pro stock in the NSCRA series. There basically are no rules other than tire size and min weight.

Good for these guys and guys who have tube chassis or 3/4 chassis cars, but for us racers down here on the West coast, our cars are all setup for stock chassis and max tire size of 9" and min weight of 1850lbs. In order for me to convert to this class I would have to sell my house and live in a cardboard box. If this series moves to the West coast, I don't think there will be many rotaries running in this class. A little too late for me to change over. I guess I'll just chase my own goals and the stock chassis record. Unless I win the lottery.
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gives me something to work forward to with my 13BPP. If only i had the money to have the machine work to spin mine up to and past 12,000rpm. props to the guys in PR.
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Wow those cars must be freaking light. The PR guys are nuts they live and sleep racing.
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