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Old Feb 20, 2007 | 09:31 AM
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Question Why do bridgeports change their rhythm?

So every time I've listened to a bridgeport idle they always change back and forth from brap brap brap brap to brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

I've just fired mine up and it does the same thing, here is a video of it:

http://www.indyhp.com/vids/zinx-halfbridge_starting.wmv

The idle changes at 1:01 and 1:16.

Anyone have any insight into this? I'm guessing its something to do with the overlap.
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Old Feb 20, 2007 | 12:00 PM
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in your ecu map, at different temperatures, your car will adjust the amount of fuel and the idle level depending on water temps.... This could have something to do with it...
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Old Feb 20, 2007 | 12:09 PM
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my guess is you're hearing a confused stock ECU trying to deal with the overlap.
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Old Feb 20, 2007 | 12:46 PM
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Its not just my car, every bridge i've heard does this. I don't think its something in the tuning. The idle is rock solid, as well as the all temps. Its not moving to any other bars on the coolant adjustment map.
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Old Feb 20, 2007 | 01:01 PM
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ive always wondered this also
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Old Feb 20, 2007 | 02:54 PM
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My guess always was that it had something to do with the plugs fouling slightly. On my carbed car, the car would start to run like that, and after I revd it up to "clean it out" it would idle with strong sharp braps again.
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Old Feb 20, 2007 | 02:57 PM
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My guess always was that it had something to do with the plugs fouling slightly. On my carbed car, the car would start to run like that, and after I revd it up to "clean it out" it would idle with strong sharp braps again.

You'd think if that were happening you could see the idle drop or fluctuate, but it doesn't. If you couldn't hear the car do this, you'd never know it way happening.
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Old Feb 20, 2007 | 08:38 PM
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my stock port you could hear it change rythyms. never stayed the same. maybe its a rotary thing
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Old Feb 20, 2007 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cdaleracer669
my stock port you could hear it change rythyms. never stayed the same. maybe its a rotary thing

yes, it was the same for my car when i had stock ports and with the street port.... i just figured it was the position on the map changing and the temps adjustments... either way, if your looking to fix the problem, put an ls1 in there... lol... or just deal with our crazy rotaries...
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Old Feb 20, 2007 | 11:12 PM
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Its not a problem, so i'm not looking to fix it, just wondering why.
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Old Feb 23, 2007 | 10:00 PM
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When it's brapping "solid" the rotors are in phase. When it's just sorta rrrrrr then the rotors are brapping out of phase of each other, so it seems smooth.

Because of the plenum volume on my P-port, it almost always was "smooth" at rest. When coasting, it would brap (buck).
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Old Feb 24, 2007 | 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by zinx
Its not just my car, every bridge i've heard does this. I don't think its something in the tuning. The idle is rock solid, as well as the all temps. Its not moving to any other bars on the coolant adjustment map.

I have always wondered the same, although even stock rotaries do it too.....
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Old Feb 24, 2007 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by peejay
When it's brapping "solid" the rotors are in phase. When it's just sorta rrrrrr then the rotors are brapping out of phase of each other, so it seems smooth.

Because of the plenum volume on my P-port, it almost always was "smooth" at rest. When coasting, it would brap (buck).
so you mean they are both rotating the same and in sync?

ya stock ones be like pprrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr pr ppr pr pppppppprrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
or something like that
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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 02:56 PM
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like would this be out of sync?

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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 03:38 PM
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just curious what is your idle set at...and hey thats my avatar picture..lol
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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 06:56 PM
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im confused on what in and out of sync "physically" is.
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Old Feb 26, 2007 | 05:52 AM
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Your exhaust sounds awesome. Can you elaborate more on the exhaust. This has to be the best sounding 4 inch exhaust without a silencer in the tailpipe. Is it really that quiet at idle?

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Originally Posted by zinx
So every time I've listened to a bridgeport idle they always change back and forth from brap brap brap brap to brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

I've just fired mine up and it does the same thing, here is a video of it:

http://www.indyhp.com/vids/zinx-halfbridge_starting.wmv

The idle changes at 1:01 and 1:16.

Anyone have any insight into this? I'm guessing its something to do with the overlap.
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Old Feb 26, 2007 | 09:18 AM
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You get the "brap" with high overlap ports (like bridge) because the engine misfires rhythmically due to exhaust contamination of the intake charge. Sometimes that rhythm changes as no two combustion events are the same so the engine may change it's tune for a few seconds.
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Old Feb 26, 2007 | 09:23 AM
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Zinx my halfbridge does this all the time. If it starts doing it I rev it a little and it goes back to brap braping away. I saw your car at Tuxedo but I dont think I met you........
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Old Feb 26, 2007 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by zinx
Its not a problem, so i'm not looking to fix it, just wondering why.

Same here....
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Old Feb 26, 2007 | 11:44 AM
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My bridged 12a does the same thing goes back and forth from smooth streetport idle to brap brap idle of the bridge. I'm running a 48IDA on my bridge. I dont care it seems fine to me, but with the p-port going in i cant wait to hear its idle
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by AnthonyNYC
Your exhaust sounds awesome. Can you elaborate more on the exhaust. This has to be the best sounding 4 inch exhaust without a silencer in the tailpipe. Is it really that quiet at idle?

Anthony
Its basically a 4" downpipe off the T88 back to a 4" in and out magnaflow resonator and then a 4" oval straight through mangaflow muffler. I don't know exactly which part numbers of anything, but it really is that quiet compared to other 1/2 bridged cars i've heard.
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
You get the "brap" with high overlap ports (like bridge) because the engine misfires rhythmically due to exhaust contamination of the intake charge. Sometimes that rhythm changes as no two combustion events are the same so the engine may change it's tune for a few seconds.
That makes sense although the A/Fs don't change at all, they are rock solid.
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by PDViper77
I saw your car at Tuxedo but I dont think I met you........

Same here. I was the guy in the black Ireland jacket, shaved head. Congrats on the 562!
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