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Old 05-30-06, 01:31 AM
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teflon coatings???

ok so i know these coatings have been used in rotor bearings, but how about coating the seals? i.e. apex,corner,oil,and side seal with teflon and maybe the rotor housing as well.
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Teflon doesn't stand up to temperatures much over 500F. Good luck with that in our engines.
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I have toyed with the idea of Teflon coating the sides of the rotor, both inside and outside the side seal. My buddy the turbo-diesel-tractor-puller(466 IH straight six= 1000 HP. 90 mm intake wheel! Jesus!) Teflon coats the pistons. But he only does the skirt below the oil ring.
I think my S5 NA had factory Teflon coating on the side of the rotor outside the side seal only. True?
I'd like to hear comments about this also.
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In new tests conducted by a university food safety professor, a generic non-stick frying pan preheated on a conventional, electric stovetop burner reached 736°F in three minutes and 20 seconds, with temperatures still rising when the tests were terminated. A Teflon pan reached 721°F in just five minutes under the same test, as measured by a commercially available infrared thermometer. DuPont studies show that the Teflon offgases toxic particulates at 446°F. At 680°F Teflon pans release at least six toxic gases, including two carcinogens, two global pollutants, and MFA, a chemical lethal to humans at low doses. At temperatures that DuPont scientists claim are reached on stovetop drip pans (1000°F), non-stick coatings break down to a chemical warfare agent known as PFIB, and a chemical analog of the WWII nerve gas phosgene.
... enjoy putting Teflon in a hot engine...
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calico coatings sells teflon bearings for v-8's and some stock engine piston skirts come with telfon coatings this is why im interested in it
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Originally Posted by Bluem
calico coatings sells teflon bearings for v-8's and some stock engine piston skirts come with telfon coatings this is why im interested in it
Bearings and pistonskirts will never see the temperature of combustion.

From my little book of wisdom , yeah I work with plastics.
PTFE(Teflon) is a fluorine plastic. Which is a group of paraffin-like Polymeres.
It will start melting at 327 degrees celsius. You will have to run pretty rich to get close to that
has a massindex of 2150kg/cubicmeter.
Real name is PolyTetraFluorEthylene.
PTFE will stretch beyond any other plastic avilable.
At zero degrees celsius(where stuff starts to freeze) it starts losing it "stretchyness" and will break/crack easily.
At increased loads, Teflon(tradename) will actually reduce friction
Pure teflon has very little resistance to wear, but if filled with additives that wearresistance could be increased up to 500 times.
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Factory rotor housings are already coated in a dusting of teflon.

It becomes pressed into the micro pores of the chrome during intitial start up and will emerge (melt out) in the advent of excess heat.

Yamaguchi book states this.
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M-kay I did'nt know that, cool
It explains why the engine builders at Mazda doesnt seem to use lube on the rotorhousings.
I know its crappy quality, but it sure looks like they dont lube them
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...01042106824780
And yeah i'm currently building some of those rotor-jigs

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