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Old Mar 14, 2005 | 07:16 AM
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for fear of someone paying a visit to my house with a gun (or pickup truck), i'm not going to say who did this work here, but anyone can pm me and i'll tell you with the understanding that you keep your mouth SHUT!

I bet its "JV." PM me otherwise.
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Old Mar 14, 2005 | 11:32 AM
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^ i didn't say that
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Old Mar 14, 2005 | 03:28 PM
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I like the way the beveled all the edges real nice so the seals dont crash into the edges............oh wait, nevermind lol
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Old Mar 14, 2005 | 07:25 PM
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i'm still waiting for the part when you say that this was all a joke ...
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Old Mar 14, 2005 | 07:47 PM
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i like to take photos of all the ports i do (even though ive actually only done 2 motors so far and one was for me and the other was for a friend) that way you have proof of the quality of work.
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Old Mar 14, 2005 | 08:13 PM
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lately, i've been testing the air direction while entering the engine.
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Old Mar 14, 2005 | 08:14 PM
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^ i should mention that's on of my primary ports. i'm working on getting the air to swirl once inside the motor.
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Old Mar 14, 2005 | 08:20 PM
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Where did you get your port template? I'm interested to try doing a bridge or half bridge on some irons I have laying around.
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Old Mar 14, 2005 | 08:34 PM
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i didn't use a template. but you want me to make you one?
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Old Mar 14, 2005 | 08:49 PM
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If you dont mind, I would love to have a template of your bp and/or street port.... Also, you wouldnt happen to have some #s for it or even just some info on how long shes been running. More people should be willing to share their spec's on porting.
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Old Mar 14, 2005 | 09:19 PM
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the half-bridge from my avatar did 400 whp @ 13psi on a 62-1, 1.15 p-trim, npr intercooler, haltech e6k.

it ran fine for ~ 6k miles, then some asshat stole the car.

www.rotaryheads.com/porting
look at that and tell me what kind you want, but the port from your other thread is really similar to my big sp. most of the work is done where you can't see it though, so templates aren't really the best way to do things unless they come with a video or really detailed instructions.
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Old Mar 14, 2005 | 09:39 PM
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Looking at that site makes me think I'd need to "clean" out my UIM/LIM too.. is that a correct assumption? I'm definately interested in the street bridgeport, as it says its still streetable. I'd love for you to send me a pic or something actual size to overlay and grind.
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Old Mar 14, 2005 | 10:01 PM
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I would really like to have the bp that you do w/out cutting the housing. I take it you do the same port size on the middle plate, as the secondaries?? I would also like the big street port just to compare. Looks like you cut even closer to the corner seal than I did. I guess im just a *****...
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Old Mar 14, 2005 | 10:11 PM
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most guys fear the unsupported side seal. i just give the edge a big-*** radius when i go that far. i've never had a problem with it yet.

i'm working on some machining on the rotors with a new side seal design that will allow the port to be brought within a few mm's of where the rotor housing will be. for that one, you'll have to turn the apex seal on your rear rotor around backwards!!

but that's at least 6 months away...i'm still trying to get longer side seal lengths from mazda, but to no avail thus far.

for the bridgeports, i don't advance the port timing in the main port... the bridge takes care of that. and also, i'm working on a new kind of bp-where the "new" port is gonna be really small, but the whole port will outflow what people are doing now.

i'll be getting a flow-bench together in the next while, so everything is going to be very thouroughly tested--not only for flow numbers, but for flow direction, and interaction with the other port(s) and rotor position.

so far, i've done what works (i'm by no means an "expert"), but i really want to improve on the port design. you can have a higher flowing port without making it huge.
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Old Mar 14, 2005 | 10:18 PM
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Awesome, yea if you could scan a template of your BP, that would be helpful. Looks like your doing some really good work, keep us posted on your flow bench results
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Old Mar 14, 2005 | 10:25 PM
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they're at least a month off, but will do.

templates will take me a while to make cuz i'm so busy, but i can throw a piece of paper over a port and use a crayon to transfer the shape if you want. i think i've got a small and large streetport, normal bridge, mild sp renesis, and bp renesis in the garage right now.

then a couple re/20b ports. those engines have a really nice venturi effect, so you can get away with making the actual port orifice a little larger without killing velocity.
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 01:15 PM
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I was planning on doing a half bridge on an RE for my next motor. If you got a "rubbing" of that I would really appreciate it.
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 04:10 PM
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no problem. pm me your address and i'll try to get some rubbings out this week.
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 07:38 PM
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chris, i got the rubbings done.

i even got you a aux bridgeported renesis too
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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 07:57 PM
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I'm curious why you say the opening of the exhaust port needs to be rounded rather than flat. I've seen lots of varations of port openings. I've seen lots of high performance 2-stroke motorcycles cylinders and the initial opening of the exhaust port is much larger than the middle or closing. This is to allow the high pressure gas exit faster at the begining of the exhaust cycle.

But I must admit, the porting is bad.



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I say expose the person who did that crap to save others. It's doing everyone a favor.

Besides the fact that the person who did that can't port worth a damn, the shapes aren't even close to optimal. I'm willing to bet that engine actually flows worse than stock. It is possible to make ports larger but have them flow less. The exhaust port is done completely backwards. The top edge should be the flat one and the bottom should be the rounded one. Not the opposite. That is absolutely horrible for airflow and it probably lost at least 50 cfm that way. I'm not even going to touch the intake ports.

As I'm fond of saying, do you want your engine builder airflow testing or airflow guessing? It's amazing how many people still choose the wrong one!
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by rx713bt

But I must admit, the porting is bad.

i wanna know who's responsible for this one!

equally as bad.
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 06:44 PM
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Was there any porting actually done there? It just looks like someone smoothed the casting nubs off and that's it.
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 10:33 PM
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how big do you think this port is?
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by GUITARJUNKIE28
i wanna know who's responsible for this one!
equally as bad.

















just kidding
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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by GUITARJUNKIE28
how big do you think this port is?
stock

people tend to pay attention to the least important things. a big, gaping hole isn't gonna build as much power as a smaller port with good runner work done.

almost every ported engine i tear down needs to be cleaned up, or fully redone.
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