RX7specialties

So, Chris's engine lasted 60k with no problems and ran 3000k @ 370RWHP until you attempted to dyno it and it blew??? Not Tuning Huh? Hmmm??? Chris already stated that you all said the 3mm slots were ok...now your story changes? The 3mm rotors that Hurley cut for me were minimal #'s and they were only dropped scince you could not reuse the rotors the second time unless the corner seals were left in their origional slot. Otherwise...they were working fine. This is the only reason I changed to doing oursleves.
I know lots of guys who still use Hurley for machining as he cuts the corner seals with the slots. Some beleive you can obtain tighter tolerances which is what I wanted back then. It wasn't to save costs as it wasn't cheap trust me! You guys said that I missed a side seal
on the other eng. you took apart. We feel it stuck to the side hsng. which generally happens and you just claimed what you saw! Reality is...the engine would have never lasted the 1000's of k it did if it was in fact missing.That goes for seal or spring as it would have had a ton of blowby and never ran right! Basically, your beef's turn into Bullshit claims.
Your accusing me of avoiding questions and feeling people see through it? News for you..I am frequently told that I am diplomatic and informative...whereas...you guys are titled to be a bunch of overly excited **** disturbers who take other individuals business's way too seriously and into your own hands. Speaking of avoiding and not answering...you both just bitched about this again and didn't realize that I answered your question last post...get a real comp. tester....my post explains why! Also,you graham avoided the question about your eng and Max eng. Do either of you have any real long term mileage reports on how your engines have been lasting? I didn't think so! Its easy to criticise other's...look at yourselves! Good luck!

Chris Ng

Adam.. are you really that ignorant of the facts? are you now to the point of jsut making things up?? How many times must we correct you because your interpretation of the events that have happened change everytime you try and explain it ??

#1 - *I* have owned 2 motors that were built by you... the first motor was one that I had you rebuild.. that car had low compression since day 1.. I then sold the car to Max with 9000kms on the motor... This particular motor was the motor that died on the dyno.. it died due to the seal folding over... upon disassembly of the motor, what was found was that the corner seal rubbers were missing.. One of the rotors was actually an N/A rotor, not a turbo rotor.. Looking at the milled apex seal slots, they were offset to one side.. none of them were centred....
Motor #2 that I owned that was built by you was the motor that we had just disassembled.. not because it was blown, but because it too had low cranking compression.. This motor showed 70psi cranking compression from the time I purchased it.. At the time I bought the vehicle, it had about 30,000km's on the rebuild.. The setup that produced my 380hp was installed on the motor for only about 3000kms.. whe we took the motor apart, it had about 60,000 total kms on the rebuild..this time we were prepared and took plenty of pictures of the tear down of the motor (I belive we got more than 200 pics).. What did we find with this motor? Corner seal rubbers were missing on 1 side of the rotor face.. the rubbers were installed on the other rotor faces... The shaft endplay was awful.. way beyond spec.. The rear rotor housing had gouges in the middle of them.. this rotor housing had a seal go through it before.. All the apex seals were perfectly intact.. except for 1..which had a cracked corner.. the cracked peice was still in the slot.. There was absolutely no damage to the rotors, or the turbine wheel of the turbo.. those gouges were there at the time of the rebuild.. he had used a damaged housing.. (If anyone would like to see pictures that support this fact, let me know) ...

Does that paint a better picture for you Adam? are you still confused about what motors we are talking about? it's not that hard to follow.. But yet, you still attempt to confuse the situation as best as you can...

How about this Adam.. When the previous owner of the motor I disassembled contacted you because of my findings in the motor, You wrote him an email.. you allowed me to read this email.. In this email you told the previous owner that the missing corner seal rubbers were because you used solid corner seals in the motor.. as for the gouges in the rotor housing, you told him that they were caused by carbon... I showed you the pictures in person Adam.. I showed you the pictures of the corner seals.. You admitted they were not solid corner seals.. I Also showed you a picture of the damaged rotor housing.. You admitted that the damage was not caused by carbon.... So, Did you ever email the previous owner back and tell him you were mistaken?? Or did you just let the previous owner belive your lies and make us look like we were making things up??

The story about a missed side seal.. Adam.. the same day I came and spoke to you about my motor.. I also clarified with you that *I* was mistaken about the missing side seal on max's motor.. what was missing was the corner seal rubbers... I clarified this with you as so there would be no confusion in the future.. but it appear to me that you are still confused.. perhaps intentionally..

3 diffrent motors that we have had problems with .. all of them built at diffrent times.. when we approached you about the problems, you admitted to us on 3 diffrent occasions that you were not at fault.. that you had a bad employee who put together the motors and messed up.. You took no responsibility for the mistakes.. you washed your hands of it.. How can you place the blame on an individual who used to work for you and not take any responsibility yourself??? .. You never make any mistakes do you adam? you are always perfect.. it's always someone elses fault...

You talk about tuning adam.. what the hell do you know about tuning? I purchased a super-afc from you.. when I picked it up and asked how it worked, you replied that it was "self learning" .. is that tuning?? How about the tuning you did on Erik's wolf3d?? The car could barely get out of it's own way.. the maps were no good.. Mind you, you wired the wolf3d in completely wrong.. and didn't even bother hiding the fact that you used red hockey tape instead of electrical tape on some splices.. is that tuning?? How about another owner of a vehicle who had bought a rebuild from you.. when they brought their car in because it wouldn't idle correctly, you told them that they needed a Haltech to fix the problem??? Is that tuning??

It's pathetic to see you twisting the truth and out right lying about things adam.. i could continue to go into detail about all the crap that has come out of your mouth and out of your shop.. but is it worth it? you'd just go back into your fantasy world and concot a whole new story....

I would have reported you to AMVIC a long time ago.... but then again, you are not even registered with AMVIC are you? ... *MY mistake* I just checked.. you just got yourself registered this year.. good for you...


class act you are...

power hungry

Dang what happened to this thread!

tearbo2

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seems to me we have a pissing contest goin on w/ you and them, but I would like to know more about your seals, I run 3MM seals
because thats my choice. as for are they better than 2MM. nuff said.
jus recently dynoed 560 whp, and not having problems w/ seals, but having problems w/ the single spring setup. are yours dual springs for the 3MM? if so
we need to talk. thanks



tearbo2

rx7_turbo2

I was trying to avoid doing this but Adam you are either really confused about the facts or your intentionally trying to confuse others by changing statements frequently. So here we go...... Lets go through this AGAIN. Chris' motor did NOT blow on the dyno, do we have that clear now? good Lord how hard is that to understand? In addition Chris' motor did not run for 60k with no problems. It always had low compression and we've been over the reasons why about a hundred times now, but since you can't seem to keep it straight....out to lunch tolerences, missing parts. Now as mentioned the rotors were milled to 3mm properly (or as proper as I believe you can get).See the above statement, the story is the same as it's always been Well that's not what you told me when I talked with you on the phone, neither was it what you told Chris, and if i can find the post where you posted about it I will. None the less the rotors in Max's first motor that went on the dyno were wrong. The groove was milled off to one side, curved like an "S" and had an hour glass shape. We'll talk about that motor in a minute. If you thought it was a seal then I appologize if I said that I was wrong it was a side seal spring not the seal. And your 100% right it never ran right (although it made good power) and it had a TON of blow by, coated the engine good.
Whatever I won't sink to name calling, you friends would probably threaten banishment again. If all the test were done using the same method and the same tester what's the problem, pretty consistant if you ask me. So lets try this again. Same tester, same testing method Chris' motor, Max's first motor, Soloracers motor all make sub 80psi, with lower milage. My stock motor (before I blew it) made 100psi and it had 150000kms. Why Adam? Let's here it. I was trying to avoid lengthy posts cause we've been through this with you a MILLION times. One more time I guess? I blew my STOCK motor, it's not news Adam, what am I avoiding, it's public knowledge, there must be 20 threads about it. I was running higher boost with a SAFC, I blew it up, my fault NOT the motor's fault. That is the ONLY motor I've ever blown up. Is that clear now? Max's first motor was one YOU built. It blew up on the dyno. It had 3mm seals. It blew up under perfect air/fuel ratio's. When the motor was torn apart we found the problems perviously discussed. Missing corner seal rubber (that seems to be a staple) missing side seal spring, and rotors milled totally off center, in an "s" shape and with flared hour glass ends. Max also blew a motor when he dropped an injector on boost, not many motors would survive that. It was a 2mm motor. Your right however niether of us have put many miles on our motors, time just has not allowed it, but both motors pull more compression with there low milage than any of the others did with proper milage. Does that clear things up, God I hope so. You try and make it sound like we have so much to hide, when if you searched abit you'd find we post up threads about everything that has happened to us, our engines, and cars. Your the only one who's in the dark about it. I'm begining to suspect that's on purpose.

rx7_turbo2

Oh boy that's interesting. I had brake work done there, I would hate to think it was done by an unlicensed shop, or by an unlicensed mechanic. I will definetly be looking into that.

Zero R

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Just so were clear no-one is on topic. This thread has turned into a crap fight. How about we start a "Why I hate Adam at RX7 specialties thread." In the good guy bad guy forum and start this one over about wether or not these seals have any merit. Be it 2mm or 3mm. Seriously? This thread is shot all to hell.

Chris Ng

You are correct.. This topic has turned quite toxic.. however, there was some good technical information in the begining which I think would prove useful to some people who have questions in their minds.. and rather than having it closed down because of the bickering, let's go ahead and start over...

So here is a quote of the post that I put up in regards to the seals that were in question... This was my first hand account of the seals and I belive it was objective enough to stand:
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As for the his new seals.. Last time I was down there, Adam gave me a demonstration of his new seals when compared to hurley, stock, atkins seals... basically he took each of the seals, clamped them in a bench vise.. all the other seals shattered, while his seals simply distorted.. upon taking a large mallet to the seals on the workbench.. adams seals dented, but stayed intact, while the other seals once agin broke and shattered.. adam's seals were not as brittle as the other seals.. The demonstration was certainly impressive to see, and I think the point he was trying to make with it was that his seals would resist breaking apart due to detonation...
However, there is a question as to the "hardness" of a seal.. is a seal is too soft, it will wear quicker, and also wear the rotorhousings quite a bit quicker as well.. Adam's seals were soft enough to bend with your hands. they kept their bent shape mind you... while the other seals would simply snap in half if you had the strength to bend them by hand..
I guess the only way to tell if they work or not is to try them out yourself though... in looking at his seals and comparing them to RA seals, they looked very similar..
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discuss......

Chris Ng

double post...

Zero R

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Cool and thank you, please lets keep it on the seals and there abilities. I'm as interested as the next guy. Personal crap we should keep personal or at least not in a apex seals thread.

jreynish

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Well, I would personally like to see this all dissapear too... but there is some anamosity that no matter what will arrise again and again... you will just have to sift through the BS to get to the technical stuff I do agree that this thread has TONS of good info in it. and for this reason should at the very least be left open.
Just my opinion.

rx7_turbo2

Whatever. Makes no difference to me. Problem is if we get back to the debate over their seals we'll just end up right back here again. If RX keeps arguing for their seals there will be those of us who argue against them, and before you know it we'll be another 6 pages in. I will give credit were credit is due, both parties in this thread kept it fairly clean with the exception of some pretty minor name calling. Compared to some of the other flame wars I've seen this wasnt that bad.

BDC

Sounds like Rotary Aviation re-badged seals to me.

Also, it seems to me like Adam is threatened by Max as well as the truth of his shop's workmanship.

B

tearbo2

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damit!!!!!! the same R/ A site that claims i'm running there seals?

eoph

me2, where do i go look into it, can you tell me pls?

rx7_turbo2

Well as Chris mentioned, the shop has become registered this year. I had my brakes done before that point, not sure if AMVIC was in place at that point. There is a website for AMVIC just do a search. Send them a quick email I guess.

BDC

The Rotary Aviation site claims you're running their seals, Lee??? What in the heck...

B

Zero R

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So what does this mean exactly I've heard good and bad about those.

tearbo2

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yeah I cleared it up w/ laura @ R/A, she had no idea that my car was on her site.
but it's all good,might be runnin the rx7 specialties seals,jus need to tie it all up w/
adam,seems to know what he's talking about.

in this game you know who has knowledge............and who DON'T..................
HE has it.

BDC

If he has knowledge, then he'll have no problem providing the long-term seal and rotor housing wear numbers.

B

Zero R

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BDC!!! Brian? Do you have experience with these or not I would like to know your opinion. Or are we not talking to each other for some reason unbeknownst to me.

Thanks

BDC

Nope. I have no experience with them and I highly doubt I'll ever use them. They look like some of the apex seal pictures that are on the Mazdatrix website!

B

jdm13btt

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Since you guys are talking about low compression i have a question?
I own a 93 Fd stock and when i accelerate my car bogs out on 4500 rpm, it stalls and the acceleration does no more this happens ever gear. I took it to Mazda Dealer, they told me 1 of my rotor is low on compression and i was wonding if the low compression is causing this lac of acceleration?

Thanks guys.

jdm13btt

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Im new to this Rotary Owner thing so bear with me.

Since you guys are talking about low compression i have a question?
I own a 93 Fd stock and when i accelerate my car bogs out on 4500 rpm, it stalls and the acceleration does no more this happens ever gear. I took it to Mazda Dealer, they told me 1 of my rotor is low on compression and i was wonding if the low compression is causing this lac of acceleration?

Thanks guys.