Running 9's. I'm serious.
As with any engine pushing the envlope.
I will never drive that car 100k. I dont care if it would last that long or not.
I know my old single turbo car made 400hp ona reman with 80k on it. I never EVER had a problem with it, and it still had 90psi compresson on each face when i tore it down.
i think 4k to 8k is a very useable power range. There is this thing called downshifting, it works wonders!
The thing is, I do all of my own engine work. If i blow one, It isnt that big of a deal. I'm making almost 500hp/liter. try doing that with any other streetable engine...
It just cracks me up how people bitch about lag. That is what a transmission is for! It takes me a fraction of a second to downshift my jerico. Then I have ALL the throttle responce I need. That is just the life of a turbo car, love it or hate it.
Basically they are borg warner turbos with 60-1 compressors and .76a/r t3 hotside. I might switch them up a little bit here soon, But they work fine as is.
I will never drive that car 100k. I dont care if it would last that long or not.
I know my old single turbo car made 400hp ona reman with 80k on it. I never EVER had a problem with it, and it still had 90psi compresson on each face when i tore it down.
i think 4k to 8k is a very useable power range. There is this thing called downshifting, it works wonders!
The thing is, I do all of my own engine work. If i blow one, It isnt that big of a deal. I'm making almost 500hp/liter. try doing that with any other streetable engine...
It just cracks me up how people bitch about lag. That is what a transmission is for! It takes me a fraction of a second to downshift my jerico. Then I have ALL the throttle responce I need. That is just the life of a turbo car, love it or hate it.
Basically they are borg warner turbos with 60-1 compressors and .76a/r t3 hotside. I might switch them up a little bit here soon, But they work fine as is.
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Originally Posted by Nihilanthic
rfreeman27 - the difference that some guys will draw attention is HOW you get into the 9s. .
No offence but you claim to have no agenda. Your comment is horseshit! 9's are 9's no matter how you get them. Come off it and don't pretend to not be acting as though your Ls1 choice is not the be all to end all. If you did not think so then you wouldn't post **** like I quoted you on above...
If you like Ls1 in your 7 that is great but please don't hint like it's better in some way and then jump in our **** for making the same argument for a rotary engine..
You ladies should take it to PINKS!.
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rfreeman27 - okay... but like I said, some people have different preferences than you! Subjectivity vs objectivity.
Fd3Boost - uhh.... my "agenda" is the most performance per buck I can get right now. LS1s have different powerbands, different vibrations and 'feel' when you drive it, etc, than a turbo 13b. They are better in some SPECIFIC dimensions than 13b turbos, but in other ways a 13b turbo is better. If what someone cares about is tractable torque thats basically the same from idle to redline, then theyd pick a LS1. If someone wants a peakier delivery with nothing before 4K and enjoys shifting and getting on it, they'll turbo a 13b.
Either way, Ive never really considered a LS1 for a RX7 right now for financial reasons. I was between a 302 or a 2.3turbo, and Im siding with the latter because even though its cheap, its still good, has aftermarket support, AND I have a friend who knows a ton about them to help out. I dont have engine loyalty. If I could get a 13bt for as cheap as a 2.3 and had someone nearby that knew his **** and I had connections to get **** as cheaply as I could get it for a 2.3, Id build one in a heartbeat. Unfortuantely, though, turbos for a 2.3 are less expensive than those youd put in a 13b at the same power levels because of the differences in the way the engines make their power. If I wasnt a college kid without a lot of income it would be different, but I have to use what I have to get what I want.
BTW, rfreeman27 - I happen to be fond of that too. But that means youre not as able to just stomp it in a higher gear and rocket off, changes the street manners, etc. You also have a big surge from before it spools to when it does... not everyone likes that. Again, preferences.
Fd3Boost - uhh.... my "agenda" is the most performance per buck I can get right now. LS1s have different powerbands, different vibrations and 'feel' when you drive it, etc, than a turbo 13b. They are better in some SPECIFIC dimensions than 13b turbos, but in other ways a 13b turbo is better. If what someone cares about is tractable torque thats basically the same from idle to redline, then theyd pick a LS1. If someone wants a peakier delivery with nothing before 4K and enjoys shifting and getting on it, they'll turbo a 13b.
Either way, Ive never really considered a LS1 for a RX7 right now for financial reasons. I was between a 302 or a 2.3turbo, and Im siding with the latter because even though its cheap, its still good, has aftermarket support, AND I have a friend who knows a ton about them to help out. I dont have engine loyalty. If I could get a 13bt for as cheap as a 2.3 and had someone nearby that knew his **** and I had connections to get **** as cheaply as I could get it for a 2.3, Id build one in a heartbeat. Unfortuantely, though, turbos for a 2.3 are less expensive than those youd put in a 13b at the same power levels because of the differences in the way the engines make their power. If I wasnt a college kid without a lot of income it would be different, but I have to use what I have to get what I want.
BTW, rfreeman27 - I happen to be fond of that too. But that means youre not as able to just stomp it in a higher gear and rocket off, changes the street manners, etc. You also have a big surge from before it spools to when it does... not everyone likes that. Again, preferences.
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Fd3Boost - uhh.... my "agenda" is the most performance per buck I can get right now. LS1s have different powerbands, different vibrations and 'feel' when you drive it, etc, than a turbo 13b. They are better in some SPECIFIC dimensions than 13b turbos, but in other ways a 13b turbo is better. If what someone cares about is tractable torque thats basically the same from idle to redline, then theyd pick a LS1. If someone wants a peakier delivery with nothing before 4K and enjoys shifting and getting on it, they'll turbo a 13b.
I agree with you except that instead of saying that the LS1 is better in some areas and the 13b is better is other areas. Should you not have said that they are "different"?
I mean you are the one who does not want to confuse subjectivness. One could not say that one is better than the other, just that they perform differently. Get your point straight.
I agree with you except that instead of saying that the LS1 is better in some areas and the 13b is better is other areas. Should you not have said that they are "different"?
I mean you are the one who does not want to confuse subjectivness. One could not say that one is better than the other, just that they perform differently. Get your point straight.
Originally Posted by Nihilanthic
BTW, rfreeman27 - I happen to be fond of that too. But that means youre not as able to just stomp it in a higher gear and rocket off, changes the street manners, etc. You also have a big surge from before it spools to when it does... not everyone likes that. Again, preferences.
What are you talking about, big surge.
When i downshift and have it wot in the process, my car instantly HAS boost, and is gone. I have been around a lot of very high hp rotaries for a few years now. I have seen these little motors do some amazing things.
Honestly, isnt half the fun of building a car learing about it? That is what got me into rotaries in the first place, because i wanted to LEARN something new and interesing.
If 2.3turbos are new and interesting to you, super duper.
Like dave said, a 9 is a 9. I dont see your point about street manners, a 9 second car on the street is going to be nutty no matter how you look at it...
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Id rather learn before I spent the money and put the wrenches to it, thats my style. Its also a result of how much time and money I have right now.
As far as that surge, I mean if youre in the rain rolling up the RPMS in 2nd or 3rd gear and the instant surge of power when the turbo kicks in. I also mean part throttle type responce - Big N/A power will beat a turbo in those regards, IF thats something you care about.
As far as small motors doing amazing things... thats great, and its interesting. But its not everyones cup of tea. A lot of people really just dont care. Im going with a small engine thats gonna make a lot of power, but it does it differently than a 13b does.
Someday, more than likely, I am going to play with a turbo rotary. But only if I have more money than I do now. Im also probably going to play with a v8. I love the RX-7, but its the CAR, the CHASSIS, the HANDLING and the BRAKE performance. Ive had my fill of Camaros and other cheap, shitty chassis!
As far as that surge, I mean if youre in the rain rolling up the RPMS in 2nd or 3rd gear and the instant surge of power when the turbo kicks in. I also mean part throttle type responce - Big N/A power will beat a turbo in those regards, IF thats something you care about.
As far as small motors doing amazing things... thats great, and its interesting. But its not everyones cup of tea. A lot of people really just dont care. Im going with a small engine thats gonna make a lot of power, but it does it differently than a 13b does.
Someday, more than likely, I am going to play with a turbo rotary. But only if I have more money than I do now. Im also probably going to play with a v8. I love the RX-7, but its the CAR, the CHASSIS, the HANDLING and the BRAKE performance. Ive had my fill of Camaros and other cheap, shitty chassis!
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Originally Posted by Fd3BOOST
You ladies should take it to PINKS!.
Originally Posted by ErnieT
Sounds good to me!!
Now there's an idea, Ernie
By the way, which motor are you on now? Not meant as a flame really, last I heard you were on engine number 2 and number 3 was going to the be the "built" (rebuilt?) one.I've got a "mullet mobile" that will run you
. She'll turn a few more R's than 5K though 
. Dragstrip or highway pull? Maybe we can throw Jim's Supra into the mix too ('cause he wants some too) Ryan
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Originally Posted by LUPE
Well, LS1's have problems right out of the box. They don't need to be modded to need rebuilds.
Subject:
Higher Than Expected Oil Consumption
(Replace Rings)
Models:
1999-2001 Chevrolet Camaro, Corvette
1999-2001 Pontiac Firebird
with 5.7L Engine (VINs G, S - RPOs LS1, LS6)
Condition
Some owners may comment on higher than expected oil consumption. When checked, the oil consumption could be in the range of 400-600 miles per quart (700-1000 km/L).
Cause
The cause for this condition may be an interaction between the piston rings and the cylinder bore in vehicles that are operated at higher RPMs - typically manual transmission vehicles driven in a manner where the engine is frequently or consistently operating at greater than 3200 RPM.
Subject:
Higher Than Expected Oil Consumption
(Replace Rings)
Models:
1999-2001 Chevrolet Camaro, Corvette
1999-2001 Pontiac Firebird
with 5.7L Engine (VINs G, S - RPOs LS1, LS6)
Condition
Some owners may comment on higher than expected oil consumption. When checked, the oil consumption could be in the range of 400-600 miles per quart (700-1000 km/L).
Cause
The cause for this condition may be an interaction between the piston rings and the cylinder bore in vehicles that are operated at higher RPMs - typically manual transmission vehicles driven in a manner where the engine is frequently or consistently operating at greater than 3200 RPM.
and just because your rotary spins to 8500rpm what does that do for you in the real world? it doesnt give you ANY bragging rights over a piston motor... my Honda 1.8L vtec motor spun to 9500rpm as a daily driver for 2 years with just aftermarket valvesprings, whoopdeedoo for your rotary.
if you have a problem with the LS1 or with LS1rx7's, you are just misinformed... its your own fault and your own problem to deal with, dont feel bad, there is a remedy and it involves research, understanding, intelligence, a test drive in someones LS1rx7 and an open mind.
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LOL...I must say....You are an Idiot.Your post was so un educated....I'm not even going to comment on that.
Originally Posted by LUPE
Well, LS1's have problems right out of the box. They don't need to be modded to need rebuilds.
Subject:
Higher Than Expected Oil Consumption
(Replace Rings)
Models:
1999-2001 Chevrolet Camaro, Corvette
1999-2001 Pontiac Firebird
with 5.7L Engine (VINs G, S - RPOs LS1, LS6)
Condition
Some owners may comment on higher than expected oil consumption. When checked, the oil consumption could be in the range of 400-600 miles per quart (700-1000 km/L).
Cause
The cause for this condition may be an interaction between the piston rings and the cylinder bore in vehicles that are operated at higher RPMs - typically manual transmission vehicles driven in a manner where the engine is frequently or consistently operating at greater than 3200 RPM.
Correction
A new set of piston rings is currently available through GMSPO. The new rings are part of a complete piston ring kit. Install only the number 2 compression ring and the oil expander ring from the piston ring kit. All other rings in the piston ring kit should be discarded. The original number 1 compression ring and the oil ring rails should be re-used in their original positions on the piston. All pistons should be used in the same cylinder bore.
Important: Do not dress or hone the cylinder bore. Nothing should be done to change the bore finish for this condition. Changing the bore finish may aggravate the condition.
Refer to the Unit Repair Manual for appropriate ring removal and replacement procedure.
The number 1 compression ring and the upper and lower oil expander rails are re-used because they are already broken in for the bore that they are in. The new number 2 compression ring is made with a very sharp edge that will break in quickly.
Changing only the piston rings noted, with no change in driving style, should change oil consumption to an acceptable level. Changes in driving style that reduce the amount of time spent at higher RPMs will also positively effect oil consumption.
In addition to the standard size piston ring kit listed below, a 0.25 mm oversized piston ring kit is available. The oversized piston ring kit should only be used in those rare instances where the cylinder bore size has been machined larger to accommodate the 0.25 mm oversized piston rings.
Subject:
Higher Than Expected Oil Consumption
(Replace Rings)
Models:
1999-2001 Chevrolet Camaro, Corvette
1999-2001 Pontiac Firebird
with 5.7L Engine (VINs G, S - RPOs LS1, LS6)
Condition
Some owners may comment on higher than expected oil consumption. When checked, the oil consumption could be in the range of 400-600 miles per quart (700-1000 km/L).
Cause
The cause for this condition may be an interaction between the piston rings and the cylinder bore in vehicles that are operated at higher RPMs - typically manual transmission vehicles driven in a manner where the engine is frequently or consistently operating at greater than 3200 RPM.
Correction
A new set of piston rings is currently available through GMSPO. The new rings are part of a complete piston ring kit. Install only the number 2 compression ring and the oil expander ring from the piston ring kit. All other rings in the piston ring kit should be discarded. The original number 1 compression ring and the oil ring rails should be re-used in their original positions on the piston. All pistons should be used in the same cylinder bore.
Important: Do not dress or hone the cylinder bore. Nothing should be done to change the bore finish for this condition. Changing the bore finish may aggravate the condition.
Refer to the Unit Repair Manual for appropriate ring removal and replacement procedure.
The number 1 compression ring and the upper and lower oil expander rails are re-used because they are already broken in for the bore that they are in. The new number 2 compression ring is made with a very sharp edge that will break in quickly.
Changing only the piston rings noted, with no change in driving style, should change oil consumption to an acceptable level. Changes in driving style that reduce the amount of time spent at higher RPMs will also positively effect oil consumption.
In addition to the standard size piston ring kit listed below, a 0.25 mm oversized piston ring kit is available. The oversized piston ring kit should only be used in those rare instances where the cylinder bore size has been machined larger to accommodate the 0.25 mm oversized piston rings.
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Shut your face... 
Originally Posted by adictd2b00st
did you really think you werent gonna get **** by posting this in the ROTARY performance forum? idiot, u deserve all the crap you've gotten so far
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Originally Posted by Ryan23
Now there's an idea, Ernie By the way, which motor are you on now? Not meant as a flame really, last I heard you were on engine number 2 and number 3 was going to the be the "built" (rebuilt?) one.
I've got a "mullet mobile" that will run you. She'll turn a few more R's than 5K though . Dragstrip or highway pull? Maybe we can throw Jim's Supra into the mix too ('cause he wants some too)
Ryan
By the way, which motor are you on now? Not meant as a flame really, last I heard you were on engine number 2 and number 3 was going to the be the "built" (rebuilt?) one.I've got a "mullet mobile" that will run you
. She'll turn a few more R's than 5K though . Dragstrip or highway pull? Maybe we can throw Jim's Supra into the mix too ('cause he wants some too) Ryan
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Originally Posted by owen is fat
hey ASSHAT you left out the part where this is ONLY from people driving like an idiot... and obviously there are enough idiots driving Fbodies to make it a problem but for most people that drive normally or even aggressively or race their LS1's, its NOT a problem. it was initially a problem of people driving around at light loads around 3000r pm's, like the idiots driving around town in 3rd gear at 3000+rpm to make the car louder so they could look cool to their buddies on the street and get noticed. idiots.
and just because your rotary spins to 8500rpm what does that do for you in the real world? it doesnt give you ANY bragging rights over a piston motor... my Honda 1.8L vtec motor spun to 9500rpm as a daily driver for 2 years with just aftermarket valvesprings, whoopdeedoo for your rotary.
if you have a problem with the LS1 or with LS1rx7's, you are just misinformed... its your own fault and your own problem to deal with, dont feel bad, there is a remedy and it involves research, understanding, intelligence, a test drive in someones LS1rx7 and an open mind.
and just because your rotary spins to 8500rpm what does that do for you in the real world? it doesnt give you ANY bragging rights over a piston motor... my Honda 1.8L vtec motor spun to 9500rpm as a daily driver for 2 years with just aftermarket valvesprings, whoopdeedoo for your rotary.
if you have a problem with the LS1 or with LS1rx7's, you are just misinformed... its your own fault and your own problem to deal with, dont feel bad, there is a remedy and it involves research, understanding, intelligence, a test drive in someones LS1rx7 and an open mind.
Thats something Ive noticed a lot too. Some people have a rev fetish. I might wanna try a 8K redline engine as something new or a project, but if youre just building for power, its a means to an end - not an end!
High RPMS are good marketing and get people to start believing high revs are better, somehow, and look at hp per liter, instead of TORQUE per liter (BMEP) and the fact that its actually a very good thing to make power at lower rpms - less inerta in the engine, less frictional losses, and if the revrange is smaller its easier to be efficient throughout it without having to use "VTEC" like induction schemes.
But to people who want revs and hp per liter, well... go for it! Its just not a 'bad' thing to increase displacement and keep the powerband at lower revs so you can do more in 6500 rpms than others do at 8500, or 9500, or whatever.
If you want performance, there are a lot of way sto get it, and 6.5 grand is plenty if you got enough displacement or boost. That said, to try something new, I might wanna try a built really high revving 302 or 327 sometime...
boost > *
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Originally Posted by ls1240z
Shut your face...
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
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Originally Posted by ls1240z
LOL...I must say....You are an Idiot.Your post was so un educated....I'm not even going to comment on that.
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Originally Posted by bennettaru
What about handling?
...ok i know it's a drag car
...ok i know it's a drag car
Say it with me: "IT DOESNT HURT THE HANDLING!"
http://scott.ohyesh.com/videos/ax.wmv <- video of a LS1 on an autocross, and a LS1 and a R1 on corner scales. GUESS WHICH IS MORE BALANCED? THE LS1!
--------------LS1 ------- Rotary
Left Front: 684 ------- 718
Right Front: 695 ------- 718
Total Front: 1379 ------- 1436
Left Rear: 705 ------- 660
Right Rear: 645 ------- 618
Total Rear: 1350 ------- 1278
TOTAL: 2729 ------- 2714
% over Front: .505 ------- .530
% over Rear: .495 ------- .470
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...0&page=1&pp=15 <- link to the thread.
Plus, kukri has a FC with a iron block 350 in there. Guess what? It handles great! He out autocrossed a STi and a Z06.
https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...&postcount=220 <- link to his post.
This has been covered over, and over, and over again. Some people have misconceptions or prejudice against engines that are v8s, have pushrods, or have pistons at all, and thats fine and dandy - if its their powerplant PREFERENCE. Empirical evidence about performance exists and if it is ignored by them it demonstrates their stubbornness. Its not our responsibility to give them therapy for extreme cognitive dissonance.
Now, Im not saying youre one of them or are that stubborn, but its just been addressed so much, over and over, and over and over, its become that annoying. And well, there are the facts right there
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eh i don't visit here that often so i miss alot of things
until someone beats me round a track with one in their fd, i'll stick to my stuburn ways :P
but that's just me, i like things original, or close to
until someone beats me round a track with one in their fd, i'll stick to my stuburn ways :P
but that's just me, i like things original, or close to
Originally Posted by Nihilanthic
As far as reliability, well, you cant seriously think thats going to last 100K+ between rebuilds, can you? Im not saying its going to blow up unless you put in shitty gas or push the spark advance real far (which you know better than to do) but its going to have compression degrade over time. Its just a fact of life with using a 13b.
Interesting to know.
BTW, I saw a non-trailered, 13B REW FD run a 9.9 the first time I went to the 1/4 mile track... It looked like it did the run with ease. Wheras the CRAZY Supra next to it, with a parachute and HUGE meats ran a 10.2.
I choose to remain disinterested in V8 cars. It's just muscle... "Muscle-cars" are a dime a dozen. I guess I'm just passionate about my 1308cc engine and it's silly little turbocharger
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Its only a 1.3liter the way Mazda measures it. Everyone else measures in a 720° 'rate'. Also, small displacement doesnt matter to everyone, anyway. Though, to be fair, 1.3 liters for a 13b (and 2.5 liters for a 302, or 2.85 out of a 350) actually makes more sense because youre going by one revolution, but all the math is based on two :P
Secondly, it ran a 9.9 with a turbo. SURE! Im not saying it cant be done. I AM saying that kind of powerband, delivery, and expense isnt what everyone wants.
Finally, a RX-7 with a v8 in it is still a RX-7. Its not a 'muscle car'. Furthermore, as rare as RX-7s are, VERY few of them have v8s in them, making it even MORE rare!
"dime a dozen" is NOT a rx-7 with a v8 that gets nearly 30 mpg highway, outhandles almost every street car on a autocross then smokes almost every street car on a drag strip for less than the price of a new STi or EVO, now is it?
If you get off on small engines, big turbos, hp per liter, and high revs, thats fine. But the engine doesnt make the RX-7 what it is. Its the chassis, the handling, the feedback, the braking, and the fact that no matter WHAT you put in it, it kicks ***.
Oh, and bennettaru - Id wager kukris F,C or that FD thats more light up front than the R1, would give you a lot of hell on a track
Secondly, it ran a 9.9 with a turbo. SURE! Im not saying it cant be done. I AM saying that kind of powerband, delivery, and expense isnt what everyone wants.
Finally, a RX-7 with a v8 in it is still a RX-7. Its not a 'muscle car'. Furthermore, as rare as RX-7s are, VERY few of them have v8s in them, making it even MORE rare!
"dime a dozen" is NOT a rx-7 with a v8 that gets nearly 30 mpg highway, outhandles almost every street car on a autocross then smokes almost every street car on a drag strip for less than the price of a new STi or EVO, now is it?
If you get off on small engines, big turbos, hp per liter, and high revs, thats fine. But the engine doesnt make the RX-7 what it is. Its the chassis, the handling, the feedback, the braking, and the fact that no matter WHAT you put in it, it kicks ***.
Oh, and bennettaru - Id wager kukris F,C or that FD thats more light up front than the R1, would give you a lot of hell on a track
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At least someone is making some sence around here.....Very well put!
Originally Posted by Nihilanthic
Its only a 1.3liter the way Mazda measures it. Everyone else measures in a 720° 'rate'. Also, small displacement doesnt matter to everyone, anyway. Though, to be fair, 1.3 liters for a 13b (and 2.5 liters for a 302, or 2.85 out of a 350) actually makes more sense because youre going by one revolution, but all the math is based on two :P
Secondly, it ran a 9.9 with a turbo. SURE! Im not saying it cant be done. I AM saying that kind of powerband, delivery, and expense isnt what everyone wants.
Finally, a RX-7 with a v8 in it is still a RX-7. Its not a 'muscle car'. Furthermore, as rare as RX-7s are, VERY few of them have v8s in them, making it even MORE rare!
"dime a dozen" is NOT a rx-7 with a v8 that gets nearly 30 mpg highway, outhandles almost every street car on a autocross then smokes almost every street car on a drag strip for less than the price of a new STi or EVO, now is it?
If you get off on small engines, big turbos, hp per liter, and high revs, thats fine. But the engine doesnt make the RX-7 what it is. Its the chassis, the handling, the feedback, the braking, and the fact that no matter WHAT you put in it, it kicks ***.
Oh, and bennettaru - Id wager kukris F,C or that FD thats more light up front than the R1, would give you a lot of hell on a track
Secondly, it ran a 9.9 with a turbo. SURE! Im not saying it cant be done. I AM saying that kind of powerband, delivery, and expense isnt what everyone wants.
Finally, a RX-7 with a v8 in it is still a RX-7. Its not a 'muscle car'. Furthermore, as rare as RX-7s are, VERY few of them have v8s in them, making it even MORE rare!
"dime a dozen" is NOT a rx-7 with a v8 that gets nearly 30 mpg highway, outhandles almost every street car on a autocross then smokes almost every street car on a drag strip for less than the price of a new STi or EVO, now is it?
If you get off on small engines, big turbos, hp per liter, and high revs, thats fine. But the engine doesnt make the RX-7 what it is. Its the chassis, the handling, the feedback, the braking, and the fact that no matter WHAT you put in it, it kicks ***.
Oh, and bennettaru - Id wager kukris F,C or that FD thats more light up front than the R1, would give you a lot of hell on a track
Originally Posted by Nihilanthic
Its only a 1.3liter the way Mazda measures it.
Originally Posted by Nihilanthic
Secondly, it ran a 9.9 with a turbo. SURE! Im not saying it cant be done. I AM saying that kind of powerband, delivery, and expense isnt what everyone wants.
BTW, Who cares what you "say"? (kinda j/k)
Have you been behind the wheel of an FD? (and driven it
) No expenses were spared in the creation of the drive-train (IMO). Do you know why they're twin, sequential turbo?
Originally Posted by Nihilanthic
Finally, a RX-7 with a v8 in it is still a RX-7. Its not a 'muscle car'. Furthermore, as rare as RX-7s are, VERY few of them have v8s in them, making it even MORE rare!
Sounds more like a tasty beverage than a vehicle...
Seems like a lot of V8 'provocateur's' want to swap their piston motor into the 'Rotary Expirement' chassis. It's not THAT original.
Originally Posted by Nihilanthic
"dime a dozen" is NOT a rx-7 with a v8 that gets nearly 30 mpg highway, outhandles almost every street car on a autocross then smokes almost every street car on a drag strip for less than the price of a new STi or EVO, now is it?
If you get off on small engines, big turbos, hp per liter, and high revs, thats fine. But the engine doesnt make the RX-7 what it is. Its the chassis, the handling, the feedback, the braking, and the fact that no matter WHAT you put in it, it kicks ***.
If you get off on small engines, big turbos, hp per liter, and high revs, thats fine. But the engine doesnt make the RX-7 what it is. Its the chassis, the handling, the feedback, the braking, and the fact that no matter WHAT you put in it, it kicks ***.
Peace,
Last edited by eriksseven; Nov 1, 2005 at 01:45 AM.