Mazda 21A-22A engine?
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From: Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Yeah, poor Mazda, they'd be dead as a company if it weren't for Ford....
If you want to see fucked just look to the Dark Side, err I mean General Motors. (And by "dark side" I don't mean the cool part of the dark side like choking people with your mind, I mean the sucky part where you have no free will) Exhibit A: The SAAB 9-2 aka the SAABaru. Take one Impreza WRX, put a SAAB looking nose on it, sell at SAAB dealers. GM was also going to use the WRX as the basis for a new cute-ute to be sold by Chevy, fortunately that doesn't seem to be panning out.
If you want to see fucked just look to the Dark Side, err I mean General Motors. (And by "dark side" I don't mean the cool part of the dark side like choking people with your mind, I mean the sucky part where you have no free will) Exhibit A: The SAAB 9-2 aka the SAABaru. Take one Impreza WRX, put a SAAB looking nose on it, sell at SAAB dealers. GM was also going to use the WRX as the basis for a new cute-ute to be sold by Chevy, fortunately that doesn't seem to be panning out.
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From: Great White North
I agree with Carlito,
Mazda techs. had to fight just to get the RX8 out.
Ford said there was NO market for the car.
Ford has Jag. for sports cars, Mazda as we know it is surely finished, since they no longer even control their own company anymore.
Ford suxass
Mazda techs. had to fight just to get the RX8 out.
Ford said there was NO market for the car.
Ford has Jag. for sports cars, Mazda as we know it is surely finished, since they no longer even control their own company anymore.
Ford suxass
FYI as much as Ford sucks without them Mazda would not exist today along with the Renesis. Just a note.
--Fritz
PS. Even though I hate Ford, and Mazda being controlled by them, it is still better having a stifled Mazda then no Mazda at all.
--Fritz
PS. Even though I hate Ford, and Mazda being controlled by them, it is still better having a stifled Mazda then no Mazda at all.
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From: Orange City, FL
Originally posted by peejay
Oklahome scrapped emissions testing for cars that are already in circulation.
However for cars to be allowed to be sold new in the US they have to pass rather strict federal emissions tests. And the fuel economy for a company is averaged and the company has to pay a fine per car sold if they don't meet the minimums, and there's also a gas guzzler tax placed on individual models that fall below certain levels (it's also a sliding scale as well).
Even the I/M240 testing (short drive cycle on a dyno) are a complete joke compared to what a has to be done on a Federal emissions test. We're talking huge bucks and a big time factor as well. The complete vehicle emissions are tested, not just exhaust emissions but also evaporative emissions, and not all evaporative emissions come from the engine. (Ever wonder why the "new car smell" has changed in the past few years? New car smell is a form of emissions! Those plastics evaporating into the air contain HC's and those *are* counted)
Oklahome scrapped emissions testing for cars that are already in circulation.
However for cars to be allowed to be sold new in the US they have to pass rather strict federal emissions tests. And the fuel economy for a company is averaged and the company has to pay a fine per car sold if they don't meet the minimums, and there's also a gas guzzler tax placed on individual models that fall below certain levels (it's also a sliding scale as well).
Even the I/M240 testing (short drive cycle on a dyno) are a complete joke compared to what a has to be done on a Federal emissions test. We're talking huge bucks and a big time factor as well. The complete vehicle emissions are tested, not just exhaust emissions but also evaporative emissions, and not all evaporative emissions come from the engine. (Ever wonder why the "new car smell" has changed in the past few years? New car smell is a form of emissions! Those plastics evaporating into the air contain HC's and those *are* counted)
ford can not do much to help with tightening emissions regulations. get it? ford is not the problem, Mazda is not the problem, the problem is the time we live in.
now, the best chance to see a higher displacement rotary is a 3 rotor renisis. deal with it. the renisis is more efficient and that is what counts the most these days.
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From: SoCal
Actually I believe the best chance for a higher output rotary is a Renesis with forced induction. In fact I believe Mazda is working on a Renesis with a Lysholm type supercharger. I don't remember where I heard that, but a turbo was out due to the higher temps at the center exhuast port (affected the 100,000 mile emmisions reliablity I think). Normally the temps are higher there anyway, turbo just makes it worse (supposedly at least, might just be a packaging issue).
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Originally posted by t-von
Slightly off topic, but if Mazda built a 2000lb car like the Lotus Elise with a Renesis would be freaking insane. Hell that car with 190hp Celica motor already runs 12's in the 1/4. A Renesis could make it a 11 sec car.
Anyways Mazda needs to get off their asses, find that lost passion they once had, and start experimenting again with other possibilities.
Slightly off topic, but if Mazda built a 2000lb car like the Lotus Elise with a Renesis would be freaking insane. Hell that car with 190hp Celica motor already runs 12's in the 1/4. A Renesis could make it a 11 sec car.
Anyways Mazda needs to get off their asses, find that lost passion they once had, and start experimenting again with other possibilities.
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From: Upper Marlboro
Originally posted by t-von
Slightly off topic, but if Mazda built a 2000lb car like the Lotus Elise with a Renesis would be freaking insane. Hell that car with 190hp Celica motor already runs 12's in the 1/4. A Renesis could make it a 11 sec car.
Anyways Mazda needs to get off their asses, find that lost passion they once had, and start experimenting again with other possibilities.
Slightly off topic, but if Mazda built a 2000lb car like the Lotus Elise with a Renesis would be freaking insane. Hell that car with 190hp Celica motor already runs 12's in the 1/4. A Renesis could make it a 11 sec car.
Anyways Mazda needs to get off their asses, find that lost passion they once had, and start experimenting again with other possibilities.
for everyone who is complaining about Ford buying Mazda, did you not hear what almost happened earlier this year? Honda almost pulled off a takeover of Ford through owning 51% of the stocks. they made it to like 46 or 47%, and the Ford family re-distributed some of the stocks and bought alot from Honda so this wouldn't happen. Honda wanted Ford for their hold on the truck market, if Honda had pulled this off, we would have been saying goodbye to Ford's car division. personally, i would have liked to see Honda take over Ford, because they would probably let Mazda build another 7.
for everyone who is complaining about Ford buying Mazda, did you not hear what almost happened earlier this year? Honda almost pulled off a takeover of Ford through owning 51% of the stocks. they made it to like 46 or 47%, and the Ford family re-distributed some of the stocks and bought alot from Honda so this wouldn't happen. Honda wanted Ford for their hold on the truck market, if Honda had pulled this off, we would have been saying goodbye to Ford's car division. personally, i would have liked to see Honda take over Ford, because they would probably let Mazda build another 7.
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