FIGHT TALK FD vs FC
#26
Rotary Enthusiast
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Mechanicsburg, PA USA
Posts: 1,392
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The FC would be a great daily driver/ project car. You can find them for cheap and they are fairly reliable. Modding up the car will give you a much faster car than a stock FD for the same money. You have to put a lot of money into a FD to make it reliable. Even though the sequentials can be a headache - if you get all the problems worked out - the car is amazing. A single can set you back $3500. Obviously stock vs. stock the cars aren't comparable performance and handling wise but your also spending a lot more money for the FD. If I were building a drag car - get a T2 and mod the heck out of it. If you want an extremely fun car that can take out most cars on the street but are willing to spend more in maintenance - get the FD
#27
Lives on the Forum
Originally posted by Grizzly
Node what is the internal diffrences between the two? and in which way is it better?
Node what is the internal diffrences between the two? and in which way is it better?
Originally posted by Grizzly I have done lots of reserch into the two engines if they are so diffrent how come i can fit the rotor and housing of a Fd to my FC?
internaly the rotors are different and the port size is different. in an fc turboII the ports are actualy larger. also the older rotors are machined and havier, and the fd's are lighter and they are cast. my personal opinion is to use the fc block (side and rotor housings) with fd rotors. jut recently a friend of mine has made an adapter plate to bolt up an fd lower intake manifold to a turboII block as the ports dont match up. but the fd's upper and lower intake flow better than the fc's and the TB is much larger also. and as far as vosko goes...he's just showing off. he realy want you to say...WOW Vosko....your the man! LOL. you can port the stock wastegate to work sufficiently. there are plenty of fd's running in the low 11's w/ the stock turbos
#28
The 87-88 turbo rotors are 10 lbs each and have an 8.5:1 compression ratio. The 89-91 turbo rotors are 9.5 lbs and have a compression ratio of 9.0:1. 93-95 rotors are 9.5 lbs and have a 9.0:1 compression ratio just like the later FC rotors, but the tub has a machined finish. All the rotors are cast, but the FD rotors just have some machining on the tub -- I am not sure why.
Mazdatrix has a good page on the different rotor weights and stuff:
http://www.mazdatrix.com/faq/rotorwgt.htm
-Max
Mazdatrix has a good page on the different rotor weights and stuff:
http://www.mazdatrix.com/faq/rotorwgt.htm
-Max
#29
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Woodland Hills, CA
Posts: 392
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally posted by Node
The FD has a better engine, which is more like an upgraded Series 5 13BT. Had better intake. Had twin sequential superchargers. Better LSD, better handling and suspension.
Its lighter than the 13BT by a little bit.
Very good car.
The engine is also capable of more power without strengthening the engine
Bigger IC also
The FD has a better engine, which is more like an upgraded Series 5 13BT. Had better intake. Had twin sequential superchargers. Better LSD, better handling and suspension.
Its lighter than the 13BT by a little bit.
Very good car.
The engine is also capable of more power without strengthening the engine
Bigger IC also
And the IC is certainly not bigger than the 2nd gen.
-M
#32
ur wreckin my set
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Dallas Area
Posts: 113
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Guys, guys, you're breakin my heart, dont tell me all this bad crap about the FD's, man i soo want one, even if i have to trade my TII (which is nice) and some $ for one!!!
#33
Lives on the Forum
Originally posted by noodle
Guys, guys, you're breakin my heart, dont tell me all this bad crap about the FD's, man i soo want one, even if i have to trade my TII (which is nice) and some $ for one!!!
Guys, guys, you're breakin my heart, dont tell me all this bad crap about the FD's, man i soo want one, even if i have to trade my TII (which is nice) and some $ for one!!!
#34
Rotary Enthusiast
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: UK
Posts: 1,271
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
At the end of the day the Fd replaced the Fc so you would expect some diffrences between the two (the Fd should be far and away the better car).
But then u have things like the stock twins, i never got it why Mazda spent all that money developing the Car then put Twins on?. The handling is amaizing but the second turbo always seems to want to come in half way around a corner and then there is heat, its just far to clutered so there is no good airflow around the Engine bay. So the Moral to this story is Fd + Ecu and T4 makes an Amazing all round Track car.
But then u have things like the stock twins, i never got it why Mazda spent all that money developing the Car then put Twins on?. The handling is amaizing but the second turbo always seems to want to come in half way around a corner and then there is heat, its just far to clutered so there is no good airflow around the Engine bay. So the Moral to this story is Fd + Ecu and T4 makes an Amazing all round Track car.
#35
when the sequential turbos work they're great for a standard car. if it was just one turbo the media would complain about no low down power which is important for an accountant.
someone said the fc had bigger intake porting, i thought it was the opposite. place the 2 housing beside each other and i'll think you'll fnd different.
the fd engine also has better stationary gear bearings (better oil flow at higher rpm). and the Australian FD has twin oil coolers. also an Australian SP model.
someone said the fc had bigger intake porting, i thought it was the opposite. place the 2 housing beside each other and i'll think you'll fnd different.
the fd engine also has better stationary gear bearings (better oil flow at higher rpm). and the Australian FD has twin oil coolers. also an Australian SP model.
#36
Just Call Me Terminator!
iTrader: (4)
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: NJ
Posts: 7,848
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally posted by rxrotary2_7
internaly the rotors are different and the port size is different. in an fc turboII the ports are actualy larger. also the older rotors are machined and havier, and the fd's are lighter and they are cast. my personal opinion is to use the fc block (side and rotor housings) with fd rotors. jut recently a friend of mine has made an adapter plate to bolt up an fd lower intake manifold to a turboII block as the ports dont match up. but the fd's upper and lower intake flow better than the fc's and the TB is much larger also. and as far as vosko goes...he's just showing off. he realy want you to say...WOW Vosko....your the man! LOL. you can port the stock wastegate to work sufficiently. there are plenty of fd's running in the low 11's w/ the stock turbos
internaly the rotors are different and the port size is different. in an fc turboII the ports are actualy larger. also the older rotors are machined and havier, and the fd's are lighter and they are cast. my personal opinion is to use the fc block (side and rotor housings) with fd rotors. jut recently a friend of mine has made an adapter plate to bolt up an fd lower intake manifold to a turboII block as the ports dont match up. but the fd's upper and lower intake flow better than the fc's and the TB is much larger also. and as far as vosko goes...he's just showing off. he realy want you to say...WOW Vosko....your the man! LOL. you can port the stock wastegate to work sufficiently. there are plenty of fd's running in the low 11's w/ the stock turbos
#37
gross polluter
iTrader: (2)
Re: hey
Originally posted by von
I think the interior was a little cheaper quality on the 3rd gens to save weight.
Basically the 3rd gen seems like a money pit. Im glad i have my n/a.
I think the interior was a little cheaper quality on the 3rd gens to save weight.
Basically the 3rd gen seems like a money pit. Im glad i have my n/a.
As for the money pit, can't argue with you on that on. But (knock on wood) I haven't had any problems in over a year and 20k miles except for the A/C compressor.
#42
Full Member
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: San Antonio TX
Posts: 101
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I own both I like the turbo 2 for cornering. I normally corner at 25 or 30 mph. But the FD is allot more stable at speeds higher than 100 mph. The turbo II's reliability is awesome compared to the third gen.
#43
Juris Doctor
iTrader: (3)
Ok Basic Breakdown
I've owned an FC and i LOVED that car... they are awesome looking as well as handle and drive great. Mine had no problems dusting LT1s with just the intake, exhaust and FCD running 10psi.
The 89-91 FCs had 9.0 Compression as opposed to 8.6 in the 86-88s.
The difference between the Series 6 (3rd gen) and the series 5 motors (which share the same compression) are the hardened bearings and lighter rotors. The ports are slightly larger on the Series 6 also.
You can easily build an FC into a monster and still have a sick looking car... your best bet is a single turbo the T04 being the best. Get the Haltech and your set. My .02$
I've owned an FC and i LOVED that car... they are awesome looking as well as handle and drive great. Mine had no problems dusting LT1s with just the intake, exhaust and FCD running 10psi.
The 89-91 FCs had 9.0 Compression as opposed to 8.6 in the 86-88s.
The difference between the Series 6 (3rd gen) and the series 5 motors (which share the same compression) are the hardened bearings and lighter rotors. The ports are slightly larger on the Series 6 also.
You can easily build an FC into a monster and still have a sick looking car... your best bet is a single turbo the T04 being the best. Get the Haltech and your set. My .02$
#44
Old [Sch|F]ool
S6 rotors are the same weight as S5....
(what's so funny about sequential superchargers? turbocharger is just shorthand for turbine-driven supercharger or turbosupercharger... sheesh)
(what's so funny about sequential superchargers? turbocharger is just shorthand for turbine-driven supercharger or turbosupercharger... sheesh)
#45
Damaged Little F*cker
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: High Point, North Carolina
Posts: 840
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
FD vs. FC
FC-cheaper to mod, maintain, purchase, etc. stock for stock, the FD is just plain a better car. but a well tuned FC is on par with a well tuned FD. once the mods are installed the playing field is equal.
FD-looks awesome, pulls ***** like a magnet(especialy since THE movie), handles supurbly, pulls harder than a freight train. my main problem with the 3rd gen is its build quality compared to the 2nd gens. to me, the 3rd gen just feels cheaper on the inside. it looks cool as hell. but doesnt feel it. the car is just too poorly built in my opinion. as sweet a car as they are, i just dont really have an interest in one. rather keep my FC. but thats just my opinion.
FC-cheaper to mod, maintain, purchase, etc. stock for stock, the FD is just plain a better car. but a well tuned FC is on par with a well tuned FD. once the mods are installed the playing field is equal.
FD-looks awesome, pulls ***** like a magnet(especialy since THE movie), handles supurbly, pulls harder than a freight train. my main problem with the 3rd gen is its build quality compared to the 2nd gens. to me, the 3rd gen just feels cheaper on the inside. it looks cool as hell. but doesnt feel it. the car is just too poorly built in my opinion. as sweet a car as they are, i just dont really have an interest in one. rather keep my FC. but thats just my opinion.
#46
Full Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: uk
Posts: 103
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally posted by FC Drifter
FD vs. FC
FC-cheaper to mod, maintain, purchase, etc. stock for stock, the FD is just plain a better car. but a well tuned FC is on par with a well tuned FD. once the mods are installed the playing field is equal.
FD-looks awesome, pulls ***** like a magnet(especialy since THE movie), handles supurbly, pulls harder than a freight train. my main problem with the 3rd gen is its build quality compared to the 2nd gens. to me, the 3rd gen just feels cheaper on the inside. it looks cool as hell. but doesnt feel it. the car is just too poorly built in my opinion. as sweet a car as they are, i just dont really have an interest in one. rather keep my FC. but thats just my opinion.
FD vs. FC
FC-cheaper to mod, maintain, purchase, etc. stock for stock, the FD is just plain a better car. but a well tuned FC is on par with a well tuned FD. once the mods are installed the playing field is equal.
FD-looks awesome, pulls ***** like a magnet(especialy since THE movie), handles supurbly, pulls harder than a freight train. my main problem with the 3rd gen is its build quality compared to the 2nd gens. to me, the 3rd gen just feels cheaper on the inside. it looks cool as hell. but doesnt feel it. the car is just too poorly built in my opinion. as sweet a car as they are, i just dont really have an interest in one. rather keep my FC. but thats just my opinion.
But hey that just my opinion!
Guys?
Regards...
#47
Junior Member
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
FD, FC, what are these
I must live in a cave. I have had a 79, 83, 85 and currently, 88 vert. These forums are new to me. Where does FC and FD designations come from?
#48
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: SOUTH LOUISIANA
Posts: 411
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally posted by Node
http://www.mindspring.com/~pko/13BTvs13BREW.html
Erm I think FD's run a pattern of 8-10-8 (thats with teh sequentials, so I have no idea what max stock psi is)
I forget exact for T2's
http://www.mindspring.com/~pko/13BTvs13BREW.html
Erm I think FD's run a pattern of 8-10-8 (thats with teh sequentials, so I have no idea what max stock psi is)
I forget exact for T2's
#49
Rotary Enthusiast
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: UK
Posts: 1,271
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Man i can't belive how far this has gone, at the end of the day the Gen 3 is suposed to be the all singing all dancing Rx7 but you have to face it there is people that would rather have a Fc not for looks or pulling power just good old fastion Tuneability. You talk about gen3's being so much better, get £10,000 then buy both cars and use the remaining money up moding them which ones better?
Last edited by Grizzly; 03-12-02 at 12:29 PM.
#50
Re: FD, FC, what are these
Originally posted by Sundevil
I must live in a cave. I have had a 79, 83, 85 and currently, 88 vert. These forums are new to me. Where does FC and FD designations come from?
I must live in a cave. I have had a 79, 83, 85 and currently, 88 vert. These forums are new to me. Where does FC and FD designations come from?
82-85 = FB (1st gen)
86-92 = FC (2nd gen)
93+ = FD (3rd gen)
The are from the vin #
-Zach