Dual Fuel Pumps and Huge Fuel Flow
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Dual Fuel Pumps and Huge Fuel Flow
Well i have been thinking about posting my thoughts on my upcoming fuel system and just wanted some feedback.
OK here we go, most numbers are close but still appox
Starting from the top, I am plaining on upgrading my fuel system to support my huge ported motor with the GT42 turbo on it. Right now i am still on stock fuel, just running like 5psi of boost, witch isnt anything really.
For the fuel pump(s) i am going to be using 2 Walbro Intank fuel pumps
There are two types for the 255lph intank
There is a Normal or High Pressure, for the rest of the thread i am using
I am hoping that everone understands as the pressure increases the fuel flow decreses ( Because the pump is having to work harder to jump the pressure up )
42HP for the 255lph high pressure
17Nor for the 255lph Normal Pressure
These are the last 2 numbers on the part number
Here is what i have come up with
42HP- 255lph (67.3gallons) @ 0psi
17Nor - 255lph (67.3gallons) @ 0psi
Most people think that these pumps flow 255 @ 40psi and this is incorrect
Now at 40psi
42HP- 219lph @ 40psi
17Nor - 219lph @ 40psi
Remember this is at normal operating pressure ( IE NO BOOST )
When you start adding boost to the intake you are lowering the fuel able to enter the lower pressure area ( IE Intake )
So at 10psi of boost you will need 50psi of fuel pressure to equal 40psi of normal pressure to get what ever your injectors will put out ( Like 850cc @ 40psi )
Now at 20psi of boost yoy need 60psi of fuel pressure
42HP- 196lph @ 60psi
17Nor - 174lph @ 60psi
Now i understand that there are very few people that are driving street cars that run higher than 30psi of boost, so this is where i will stop at 30psi, so you need 30psi more in fuel pressure
Here is where you can tell the Normal from the High Pressure
42HP- 181lph @ 70psi
17Nor - 113lph @ 70psi
Here you have a almost 70lph change in your fuel flow into you tiking time bomb
Now there is one thing that i havent calulated is the flow that the stock hard lines will flow ( If someone wants to do this for me please do )
So for a recap @ 60psi (20psi of boost), 2 42HP fuel pumps will move 392lph of fuel at 60psi, or 392,000cc/h or 6533cc/m
OK now we know how much fuel that we have to work with, lets see how much we can put into the motor.
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Now for fuel injectors
I am going to be running 2x850cc and 2x1600cc pretty normal now in the FD age
2x850cc/m @ 40psi (It maybe 42psi)
2x1600cc/m @ 40psi
This is a total of 4900cc/m @ 40 psi
Just sitting here writing this i think i forgot about something, i was going to calulate what the fuel flow @ 60psi would be but if the intake psi is 20 then it should still only flow 40psi of fuel, so all of the other work I did was a waste.
But i will share this though
We know that we need at least 4900cc/m of fuel flow and we know that we have 6533cc/m of fuel pump
So we have 1633cc/m of fuel left over, and this is if we only want 40psi of fuel, witch most people want more for safety
So lets say that we want 50psi of base fuel pressure, at least this is what i want
2x850cc/m @ 50psi
2x1600cc/m @ 50psi
This is a total of 6125cc/m @ 40 psi
Now remember that we only have 6533cc/m of fuel and 6125cc/m of demand so we are right on the edge of what the pump will put out
I do understand that this is all at 100% Duty Cycle so you will have agian 4900cc/min of fuel
You just dropped your DutyCycle by 20% just by increasing your fuel pressure by 10psi.
I just wanted to spend some time really explaning what you have to think about when you are plaining a new fuel system.
If you want to add please do.
OK here we go, most numbers are close but still appox
Starting from the top, I am plaining on upgrading my fuel system to support my huge ported motor with the GT42 turbo on it. Right now i am still on stock fuel, just running like 5psi of boost, witch isnt anything really.
For the fuel pump(s) i am going to be using 2 Walbro Intank fuel pumps
There are two types for the 255lph intank
There is a Normal or High Pressure, for the rest of the thread i am using
I am hoping that everone understands as the pressure increases the fuel flow decreses ( Because the pump is having to work harder to jump the pressure up )
42HP for the 255lph high pressure
17Nor for the 255lph Normal Pressure
These are the last 2 numbers on the part number
Here is what i have come up with
42HP- 255lph (67.3gallons) @ 0psi
17Nor - 255lph (67.3gallons) @ 0psi
Most people think that these pumps flow 255 @ 40psi and this is incorrect
Now at 40psi
42HP- 219lph @ 40psi
17Nor - 219lph @ 40psi
Remember this is at normal operating pressure ( IE NO BOOST )
When you start adding boost to the intake you are lowering the fuel able to enter the lower pressure area ( IE Intake )
So at 10psi of boost you will need 50psi of fuel pressure to equal 40psi of normal pressure to get what ever your injectors will put out ( Like 850cc @ 40psi )
Now at 20psi of boost yoy need 60psi of fuel pressure
42HP- 196lph @ 60psi
17Nor - 174lph @ 60psi
Now i understand that there are very few people that are driving street cars that run higher than 30psi of boost, so this is where i will stop at 30psi, so you need 30psi more in fuel pressure
Here is where you can tell the Normal from the High Pressure
42HP- 181lph @ 70psi
17Nor - 113lph @ 70psi
Here you have a almost 70lph change in your fuel flow into you tiking time bomb
Now there is one thing that i havent calulated is the flow that the stock hard lines will flow ( If someone wants to do this for me please do )
So for a recap @ 60psi (20psi of boost), 2 42HP fuel pumps will move 392lph of fuel at 60psi, or 392,000cc/h or 6533cc/m
OK now we know how much fuel that we have to work with, lets see how much we can put into the motor.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now for fuel injectors
I am going to be running 2x850cc and 2x1600cc pretty normal now in the FD age
2x850cc/m @ 40psi (It maybe 42psi)
2x1600cc/m @ 40psi
This is a total of 4900cc/m @ 40 psi
Just sitting here writing this i think i forgot about something, i was going to calulate what the fuel flow @ 60psi would be but if the intake psi is 20 then it should still only flow 40psi of fuel, so all of the other work I did was a waste.
But i will share this though
We know that we need at least 4900cc/m of fuel flow and we know that we have 6533cc/m of fuel pump
So we have 1633cc/m of fuel left over, and this is if we only want 40psi of fuel, witch most people want more for safety
So lets say that we want 50psi of base fuel pressure, at least this is what i want
2x850cc/m @ 50psi
2x1600cc/m @ 50psi
This is a total of 6125cc/m @ 40 psi
Now remember that we only have 6533cc/m of fuel and 6125cc/m of demand so we are right on the edge of what the pump will put out
I do understand that this is all at 100% Duty Cycle so you will have agian 4900cc/min of fuel
You just dropped your DutyCycle by 20% just by increasing your fuel pressure by 10psi.
I just wanted to spend some time really explaning what you have to think about when you are plaining a new fuel system.
If you want to add please do.
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