Anyone familiar with dual pass radiators???
04-24-04, 01:38 PM
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Anyone familiar with dual pass radiators???
Just wondering if anyone is familiar with dual pass radiators or if anyone is running a custom designed one. Why doesnt anyone sell them for the RX7, are there any spacific problems with them???
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04-26-04, 11:54 AM
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Ted, I thought I had read that somewhere but I couldnt find any info on that product on the website.
Do you happen to know the size of the K2RD and also the fin count per inch?
STEPHEN
Do you happen to know the size of the K2RD and also the fin count per inch?
STEPHEN
04-26-04, 12:07 PM
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I have a double pass radiator. My car isn't completely together yet, so I can't make any claims, but seeing as though its twice as thick (2 row) as after market drop in (Koyo, Fluidyne etc) with the same frontal are and its all aluminum and double pass, it should work extremely well in my soon to be 400+ rwhp turbo II with ac.
https://www.rx7club.com//showthread.php?threadid=188420
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04-26-04, 12:41 PM
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Why do you want one SPO?
Have you read something about them that makes them better?
And are they simply built like RacerXtreme described them or is that not correct?
If it is then Chuck could probably fix you up with his if that interests you.
Because the one I was describing to you is identical to the diagram that racerx describes, but simply using one core and welding a divider inside the center top tank
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^dual pass.... actually made up of two cores (one stacked on top of the other) flowing horizontally instead of up and down.
Have you read something about them that makes them better?
And are they simply built like RacerXtreme described them or is that not correct?
If it is then Chuck could probably fix you up with his if that interests you.
Because the one I was describing to you is identical to the diagram that racerx describes, but simply using one core and welding a divider inside the center top tank
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^dual pass.... actually made up of two cores (one stacked on top of the other) flowing horizontally instead of up and down.
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04-26-04, 12:51 PM
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Yea, a radiator company told me dual pass is approx 7% more efficient if done right. The only prob is I read online that they can cause a flow restriction that is harder on the water pump. Seeing as though I have no air pump the water pump pulley doesnt make real strong contact with the belt and that had me a little concerned since i MIGHT be adding a restriction into the system. Now that I see there are pleanty of people running them and Chuck's selling them I'm not so worried about it. I just didnt want to spend money on this one off radiator I'm doing to have water pump problems.....course then I would have an excuse to go w/ electric water pump hmmmm LOL
BTW - I posted this thread the other day before you posted in my 3rd gen section thread.
STEPHEN
BTW - I posted this thread the other day before you posted in my 3rd gen section thread.
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04-26-04, 01:00 PM
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SPOautos,
I'll do a fin count tonight when I'm home were my rad is.
The rad I'm using is 2 rows of 1" cores with the fins furnace brazed (not loose or epoxied). So there shouldn't be a flow restriction. Its not actually 2 cores stacked up on one another, its a single with one side divided, just look at the pic I attached in the thread I posted. I could see there being a flow restriction if it were a single row (like most drop in aftermarket "high performance" radiators are), but its 2 row.
FWIW, as I stated in the other thread, I have less then $300 in my rad.
~Mike................
I'll do a fin count tonight when I'm home were my rad is.
The rad I'm using is 2 rows of 1" cores with the fins furnace brazed (not loose or epoxied). So there shouldn't be a flow restriction. Its not actually 2 cores stacked up on one another, its a single with one side divided, just look at the pic I attached in the thread I posted. I could see there being a flow restriction if it were a single row (like most drop in aftermarket "high performance" radiators are), but its 2 row.
FWIW, as I stated in the other thread, I have less then $300 in my rad.
~Mike................
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04-26-04, 01:24 PM
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If you are worried about your water pump not getting enough contact than switch to a dual pulley system. It may not give it double the surface area but it will improve the amount that makes contact.
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04-26-04, 02:11 PM
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If you are worried about your water pump not getting enough contact than switch to a dual pulley system. It may not give it double the surface area but it will improve the amount that makes contact.
- Steiner
If you are worried about your water pump not getting enough contact than switch to a dual pulley system. It may not give it double the surface area but it will improve the amount that makes contact.
- Steiner
Originally posted by RacerXtreme7
I was going to suggest this, but in his profile it says hes got a third gen. And it actually does double the contact area.
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I was going to suggest this, but in his profile it says hes got a third gen. And it actually does double the contact area.
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https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...hreadid=270788
04-26-04, 02:32 PM
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Here's one I bought for my FD
My brother has the exact same one on his FD and his car runs really cool. And the best part is it's 3" thick and is the same price as the Koyo rads.
My brother has the exact same one on his FD and his car runs really cool. And the best part is it's 3" thick and is the same price as the Koyo rads.
04-26-04, 02:39 PM
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{QUOTE}And that’s why I came up with this solution, while I actually haven’t got a chance to try it (will shortly) I think it takes care of the issues associated with deleting the WP {END QUOTE}
You mean AP, not WP right?? AP=Air Pump, WP=Water Pump?
Mines 3" thick also, and again, less then $300, actually less the $250 (Koyo's and Fluidynes go for over $350-400 plus shipping) but I still need to have some sensor bungs weded in a long with a heater core supply line.
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{QUOTE}And that’s why I came up with this solution, while I actually haven’t got a chance to try it (will shortly) I think it takes care of the issues associated with deleting the WP {END QUOTE}
You mean AP, not WP right?? AP=Air Pump, WP=Water Pump?
Mines 3" thick also, and again, less then $300, actually less the $250 (Koyo's and Fluidynes go for over $350-400 plus shipping) but I still need to have some sensor bungs weded in a long with a heater core supply line.
~Mike.................
ap not wp 
04-26-04, 03:05 PM
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Where did you get the little pulley and how is it mounted up?
Any of you guys running a fan other than the stocker? If so how is it working and what fan is it?
STEPHEN
Any of you guys running a fan other than the stocker? If so how is it working and what fan is it?
STEPHEN
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04-26-04, 03:42 PM
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I think people have come to the conclusion that the stocker flows pretty well already, no need to upgrade it.
The pulley is a stock alt pulley with high speed/load SS bearings.
I am thinking I might duel point mount it rather than cant it, even though it should be strong enough with the size and type of material I used
The pulley is a stock alt pulley with high speed/load SS bearings.
I am thinking I might duel point mount it rather than cant it, even though it should be strong enough with the size and type of material I used
04-26-04, 03:49 PM
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Yea, I know the stock fans are good but I'm wanting to keep the same over all size (rad + fans) as stock but with a much larger rad which means I need some different low profile high flow fans. I was looking at some Spal fans but not knowing what the stock cfm is its hard to decide what I need. Thats why I was wondering if anyone else has run different fans, and if so what they were.
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04-26-04, 03:56 PM
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So did you just make a bracket off one of the water pump bolts and a front cover bolt and mount that pulley to the bracket?
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04-26-04, 08:12 PM
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Just off the WP, and caught like the bottom 3 bolts. It seems plenty strong as the distance to the pulley isn’t very long. Still think I might make a bracket that goes around the pulley so it is not canted off of the bracket so the bearings work a little better.
04-27-04, 02:35 PM
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04-27-04, 03:29 PM
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Nice find Ted, looks to be the exact thing I have (spec sheet reads exact), but I ordered it 24X19 instead of 26X19. It just fits better. I might of been off on my fin count, I counted as I was leaving for work in a hurry. I didn't order it from these people, it was around the same price.
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