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Claudio RX-7

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Well, to be honest, 500hp on a dyno IS 600hp on the flywheel. But please, do post pics of the thing

Later,

Lasse wankel

Yeah i know i should have post pics now for over a month ago but must have some help with my broadband not working so good right now. But when it does, i have lot of interesting pics! Just wait and see.

Donn Hecht

Hello guys well im confused as to whether I should install a 13B-REW or a 13B-RE in my Turbo-II ?
From my understanding the only difference is the Intake ports in the 13B-RE are bigger than the 13B-REW. And that the Exhaust ports on the 13B-REW are bigger than the 13B-RE.
As well as the steel sleeves are different between the FD, and the 13B-RE ? What is the difference as far as the steel sleeves are concerned, as far as performance is concerned ?
If I go with a 13B-RE do I have to take out the steel sleeves and swap it out with the sleeves of a FD ?

Donn Hecht

Alex you just answered my question as to wheter I could run the Turbo-II ECU
on a 13B-RE. Let me ask you did you drive your Turbo-II on the street just cruising it on the Turbo-II ECU not even getting into to boost to avoid running lean using the Turbo-II ECU ? Or you just installed the Turbo-II ECU just to fire up the motor, and then when you had the money, you went ahead and installed a EMS ? You mentioned the fact that the 13B-RE is a better motor but why ? Please elaborate a little, as im deciding if I should go with a FD motor or a 13B-RE in my Turbo-II. Im just looking to make 375/400 RWHP which is good enough for me, running a 60-1 with a Microtech and all the goddies. By the way what kind of EMS are you running on your setup ? And who does your tunning in the Tampa area ? Are you working with Rolo or Mazsport in your area ? I heard Rolo is the man when it comes to the Microtech. Any help is greatly appreciated, Thank You.

dvls-7

Hey Don,

The RE is much easier to install that the REW. For the power you want you won't even have to remove the stock sleeves. Directfreak made 371rwhp on 17psi when his motor was bone stock and carburated.

Donn Hecht

Hey whats up Damian ? Its been a long time since weve spoken.
Thanks for the reply, nice to see someone I know reply. Well thats what I figured
that the power range is very much obtainable with either the RE or REW setup running a
EMS of your choice. But I still want to know what has to be fabricated to make the RE or the REW fit in the Turbo-II other than the motor mounts ? Im thinking with the RE setup im going to spend alot more money than if I were to go with the REW setup. Correct me if im wrong. Damian did you get your RE yet ?

Claudio RX-7

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Im also looking to do this swap, put the Cosmo 13B-RE into the FC chassis, but my question goes along the lines of engine mounts, i know the REW engine on the FD has different mount locations on the engine it self which vary from the TII's mount layout. My other idea is to take 13B-RE intermediate and side housings (so i can use my complete FD manifold) and build a motor like that. The 3rd option i have right now is to just bolt on the upper intake manifold from an FD RX-7 onto my 13BT FC engine, i figured all i have to do is widen up the bolt hols using the center long bolt as guide and a little port matching and it bolts right up. I alredy have a Haltech E6K for management (im an authorized dealer) and will be doing that pretty soon. I have another post around here about bolting that manifold onto the FC engine. HERE where im going to post pics of the mod when its done.

Oh!, and guys, in any case im also pretty good with rotaries and engine management systems, im available for tuning sessions if there are enough people to cover the travel expenses, its unfair to just one client to cover plane ticket and cost of tuning.

Any other thoughts?

Claudio RX-7

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Well, to add to your concern Donn, the RE engine is harder to come by in the states i guess, i in the Dominican Republic and we import a lot directly from Japan, so its readly available here, and on the contrary, here the REW engines are harder to come by, whereas in the states you have plenty of 3rd Gens lying around in junk yards waiting for their engines to be plucked. So i would think your solution lies with the REW engine. And i on the other hand would have to get my self a set of RE side housings to build a very capable enigne.

In any case, im going stand alone so i dont have any EMS issues.

wankel jr.

This is RE-Ted's site and is most informative. It'll answer most all your questions.

http://fc3spro.com/TECH/SWAP/swap.html

Claudio RX-7

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Hey Wankel Jr., the link doesnt work. :S

FC Alex

First off SORRY, haven't been online in a while.

Okay, with the turbo II ecu the car was driven for a good 3k that's city and highway. I boosted a max of 6 lbs once and that was at low rpm's like 4k. I was afraid to lean it out so I never really boosted on the car and never took it past 4.5k. You can wait til you have enough money to get a nice fuel system, EMS, and a dyno tunning session. I think that both motors are good, but I prefer the RE. First off the intake ports are much much bigger than those on an REW, intake manifold is much better constructed, and motors are generally newer and very strong. One major disadvatage is that the stock exhaust ports are fairly small on the RE, so you will definetly have to port them, but the exhaust sleeves are very weak. So, you should try to pick up 2 REW exhaust sleeves switch them out with your current weak and small sleeves, and began to port. For your goal a mild port job and a TO4B 60-1 should be good enough with decent tunning. Me and my friends all use microtech, anything from the LTX8 to the LTX12. Rolo, is okay... but in my humble opinion I believe that my tuner Gabby from puerto rico is much better, I like his timing seems to work much better. Yesterday we took my bro's car to the dyno. And we put down 330 rwhp at 6k rpm 13 psi pump gas REW STOCK PORTS, T04B 60-1, with bolt on's. The reason we couldn't take it passed 6k was because we were losing fuel pressure. So we just called it a day, the pressure would drop down to 47 psi. So we're going to fix that problem and do a few pulls, looking to get some were around 370 rwhp at 15 psi. With the mods I listed before.

Best of luck,
Alex

Claudio RX-7

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Hey FC Alex,

Ask that Gabby friend of yours if he had a black 2nd Gen that he took from PR to dominican republic once. I knew a guy named gabby that had came to DR with a 400hp+ black 88, and did some pretty good time slips here. If he says yes, tell him i still have his seats here! :P

Anyway, you mentioned in your previous post that the RE engines are newer than the REW, and that isnt the case. The REW enines go all the way upto 97 and then from 99-02 you have th 280hp versions on the series VIII RX-7, the RE engines are from the Eunos Cosmo Luxury coupe and are from 89-94, which makes them older.

But i see your point.

Let me know,

dvls-7

Hey Donn,

No you are not correct. You will spend more trying to get the REW to fit. The RE is easier to install, you can either buy the mounts from krd or teamfc3s or if you plan on opening the motor you can tap into the housing and put a stud in to use the stock mounts in the FC (which is what im doing). Yeah I got my motor already, its actually at crispeeds shop.

FC Alex

Uhmmm... I'll ask Gabby. Right now he tunes the PR fastest gas powered 13B, which ran a 7.6 last time I checked. I think you misunderstood me Claudio, I said generally speaking how often do you see REW's newer than 95 in the states? I've have yet to see one, most of the REW's I see around here are rebuilt USDM one's, sometimes JDM but they were both 93's. Every RE I've seen to date here have been 93's and 94's, in good condition. That's what I meant. Next time I talk to Gabby I'll ask him.

Alex

dvls-7

If you have the names and addresses of these junk yards please let me know. If you can find a 3rd gen in junk yard up here without being raped of everything I'd go buy a lotto ticket cause thats what your chances are. Theres a few guys here that goes back and forth from japan on a regular basis and they bring in all types 13BT, RE and REW even a couple Renesis motors.

Claudio RX-7

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Yeah, i know what you mean, i live in the dominican republic, and we also import engines directly from japan, we do get more RE's than REW's too, but i was just clarifying. I know that in the USDM RX-7 market you only get cars that are upto 95.

shermstick

How much? i would like to know the price on both. the 13 re and rew

BoostedRex

I'm not advertising at all!! But I did run across another source of engine mounts for both RE and 20B swaps into an FC. www.banzairacing.com They had them in stock. Just thought you guys might wanna know.

Zach

wankeltrim

Lasse you know that we made 544hk/1,1bar with Gabbis engine last year,if the engine wasn't overheated by Gabbi he had made more.When he tested 1,5bar the car was mad.He said that he belived there was around 580hk,unfortunate the engine became overheated so he coulden't dyno it.

Lasse wankel

Hello Jorgen! If you look at the trapspeed gabbi made 192 km/h (119.3 mph)I think it's impossible he makes 544 hpat 1.1 bar. But i think maybe at 1.5 bar he may have done it. How big is the inducer and exducer on the turbi Gabi was using? If you post it here maybe some turbo Gurus here can tell if it's possible. See ya at Elmia!

ABIEX

I thought if u wanted some info of my turbo =)

HKS (T04R)
Compressor inducer 2.63"
Compressor major 3,31"
Compressor inlet 4"
Turbine exducer2,55"
Turbine major 2,92"
Turbine A/R 1.0

Now I am going 3rotor, so I need a turbo again or maybe not?

ABIEX

I only got a boost peak on the second gear and it was 1.0bar and then on the 3:rd gear a drop down to 0.93bar as boost peak and on the 4:th gear 0.85bar...If i dont remember it wrong it could be some smal diff in the decimal... all this just because I installed a AVC-r and then went to the track and did not tune anything...can that be the reason of why i got 119mph at the trapspeed?
Do not forget that i hit 7,298@111mph at the 1/8 mile.
And 11,53@119mph at 1/4mile.
Is there something wrong here or did I break to early =)

All I can say is...When I increase the boost up to 1,5bar the car became mad i felt how the chassis wanted to twist when I hit the gas and drove at 90mph at the 3:rd gear insane feeling is the real word.
But I never drove with higher boost paek then 1.0bar at the track the year 2004.

Lasse wankel

Hello Gabi! Fun to see you posting here! 111 mph at 1/8 mile is quite impressive becausse if it had given full power all through 1/4 mile you should have around 132 mph! Moroso speed calc tells me 10.1s@1/4, and at 3000 lbs weigt of car you should make 535 rwhp!! I think these times and speeds will be obtained this year when you have a streetported 20B in your FD! See ya at Elmia!

diabolical1

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