Why are most SRT-4 owners jerks?
02-22-07, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by dradon03
The type of people you are describing are the Mazdaspeed Protege owners and Mazdaspeed 6 owners. They seem to think "hey my car is newer so it owns yours".
02-22-07, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
true.Mazpower, do you run a filter on your turbo?
02-23-07, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 93VRTouring
To answer your original question, most SRT-4 owner are jerks because they drive ******* neons
they are pissed off because your 14 year old car could sell today for more than their 2 year old car.
02-24-07, 07:11 AM
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I raced a regular neon in my 1992 legend. It was an amazing highway run that ended up in me blowing out my radiator, but at least i got a lifetime warranty now. I beat him by about three car lengths and was putting more of a gap between us before it blew out a hose, the radiator sadly soon followed. Life lesson never race in a 13 year old car that needs a tune up badly just to shut up some guy's ego. I can't wait to get an FC with my taxes oh man it's going to be epic 
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02-24-07, 10:30 AM
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Unfortunatly I've had the same experience. My good friend has one, and is thinking of gettin rid of it just because of the fact that all the other idiots that drive them.
02-24-07, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rx7henry
Srt-4's is Dodge's answer to can't beat em' so join em' idea. Mopar had to switch to the import grown fwd turbo to market their car rather v8/v10 rwd domestic muscle, and its still a Neon. Not a slow car, but also not a ferrari when it comes to turns, and twists. Give the car's engine a little credit, but its just up to the owners to hold on to it.
02-25-07, 12:42 AM
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you believe correct. in fact, dodge has made more turbocharged vehicles than any other car company in the world, and they have been doing it since the absolute beginning of fuel injection.
this thread is a fantastic example of why on other forums some people may post similar threads like "why do rx7 owners think their **** dont stink"
so much **** gets talked about the srt4's that its rediculous, and what it all boils down to is the "yea its probably the best bang for the buck car of all time, it absolutely rapes the **** out of anything even remotely near its price point, its reliable, and made by a company with more turbocharging history than any other... but.. but... they put it in the lightest, cheapest car they had so people could actually afford it!" arguement
i couldnt possibly roll my eyes harder. no **** its a neon. if you want a rolling **** enlarger with the same performance feel free to go pay 3 or 4 times more. lancers and imprezas are ******* hideously ugly, totally generic cars, so wheres all the "yea but its still a lancer" bs
the srt4 is a standard neon just like an evo is a standard lancer, and these kinds of threads do a fantastic job of seperating the true enthusiats from the bitch ricers that only think its cool if it has a counterpart somewhere else in the world thats better than what we get.
/rant off
here is my 86 dodge's engine bay. i keep it clean where it counts, but it looks like a terd on the outside for the sole purpose of getting dipshits like some of the people in this thread laughing at it, so i can take all of their money when their mouths stop racing and their 20 year newer cars start. no ic pipes at the moment because its torn apart for my megasquirt conversion.
so please, keep the ignorance alive, but only if you are bringing cash to the races. my 21 year old single cam 8 valve distributor driven front wheel drive peice of **** would love to race your superior japanese technology for cash
this thread is a fantastic example of why on other forums some people may post similar threads like "why do rx7 owners think their **** dont stink"
so much **** gets talked about the srt4's that its rediculous, and what it all boils down to is the "yea its probably the best bang for the buck car of all time, it absolutely rapes the **** out of anything even remotely near its price point, its reliable, and made by a company with more turbocharging history than any other... but.. but... they put it in the lightest, cheapest car they had so people could actually afford it!" arguement
i couldnt possibly roll my eyes harder. no **** its a neon. if you want a rolling **** enlarger with the same performance feel free to go pay 3 or 4 times more. lancers and imprezas are ******* hideously ugly, totally generic cars, so wheres all the "yea but its still a lancer" bs
the srt4 is a standard neon just like an evo is a standard lancer, and these kinds of threads do a fantastic job of seperating the true enthusiats from the bitch ricers that only think its cool if it has a counterpart somewhere else in the world thats better than what we get.
/rant off
here is my 86 dodge's engine bay. i keep it clean where it counts, but it looks like a terd on the outside for the sole purpose of getting dipshits like some of the people in this thread laughing at it, so i can take all of their money when their mouths stop racing and their 20 year newer cars start. no ic pipes at the moment because its torn apart for my megasquirt conversion.
so please, keep the ignorance alive, but only if you are bringing cash to the races. my 21 year old single cam 8 valve distributor driven front wheel drive peice of **** would love to race your superior japanese technology for cash
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02-25-07, 12:58 AM
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ps id just like to add that im a bit intoxicated at the moment, so forgive my abrasive ranting heh...
a lot of srt owners *are* *********, but so are a lot of rx7 owners, camaro owners, supra owners etc..
the rx7 community in general is the most xenophobic and close minded one that ive ever been a part of, but that doesnt mean that the cars, or all of the owners, suck.
im just happy that the ls1 swap is becoming such a common thing these days... its really taking the edge off of some of the purists heh... i remember 6 or 7 years ago when an rx7 owner would hunt down and kill with a knife anyone that even hinted that the rotary isnt the greatest invention of all time
still, to this day there sure are a lot of cocky *** 7 owners considering the rediculously inefficient, failure prone design of the powerplant that they love so much
sorry, after reading 3 pages of dodge bashing, i had to.
a lot of srt owners *are* *********, but so are a lot of rx7 owners, camaro owners, supra owners etc..
the rx7 community in general is the most xenophobic and close minded one that ive ever been a part of, but that doesnt mean that the cars, or all of the owners, suck.
im just happy that the ls1 swap is becoming such a common thing these days... its really taking the edge off of some of the purists heh... i remember 6 or 7 years ago when an rx7 owner would hunt down and kill with a knife anyone that even hinted that the rotary isnt the greatest invention of all time
still, to this day there sure are a lot of cocky *** 7 owners considering the rediculously inefficient, failure prone design of the powerplant that they love so much
sorry, after reading 3 pages of dodge bashing, i had to.
02-25-07, 02:36 AM
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Anyone ever heard of the turbo minivan that was taking down supras?
It was a Dodge.
And yes, I can't stand the ignorance of some people, but i am still a rotary purist/elitist though. Can't help you with that. But I respect dodge. It also baffles me that RX-7 owners make fun of something that is cheap, go back to 1978 and look at an RX-7. Then they can come back to now and go **** themselves.
It was a Dodge.
And yes, I can't stand the ignorance of some people, but i am still a rotary purist/elitist though. Can't help you with that. But I respect dodge. It also baffles me that RX-7 owners make fun of something that is cheap, go back to 1978 and look at an RX-7. Then they can come back to now and go **** themselves.
02-25-07, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by darkphantom
too bad the neons are becomming more popular than the civics. & everyone has that annoying backfire exhaust
They are correct about the stereotype of SRT4 owners though they are really cocky, and immature.
I mean I had some boost controll issues, and was only pushing 5-7 psi, and I still killed a stage 2 srt4, with a bunch of other mods...
He claimed he lost because of a burn out... So we raced again and I still killed his poor dodge, and more excuses came....
They should just accept what they have, and stop thinking it's the greatest thing since slice cheese...
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02-25-07, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SaTxRx-7
So annoying.
They are correct about the stereotype of SRT4 owners though they are really cocky, and immature.
They should just accept what they have, and stop thinking it's the greatest thing since slice cheese...
They are correct about the stereotype of SRT4 owners though they are really cocky, and immature.
They should just accept what they have, and stop thinking it's the greatest thing since slice cheese...
But yes they are typically owned by the teenage crowd, who tend to be a closeminded group. And that Rice Crispies exhaust is DEF. annoying.
02-25-07, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by dumpsterdriver
this thread is a fantastic example of why on other forums some people may post similar threads like "why do rx7 owners think their **** dont stink"
Originally Posted by dumpsterdriver
i couldnt possibly roll my eyes harder. no **** its a neon. if you want a rolling **** enlarger with the same performance feel free to go pay 3 or 4 times more. lancers and imprezas are ******* hideously ugly, totally generic cars, so wheres all the "yea but its still a lancer" bs
the srt4 is a standard neon just like an evo is a standard lancer, and these kinds of threads do a fantastic job of seperating the true enthusiats from the bitch ricers that only think its cool if it has a counterpart somewhere else in the world thats better than what we get.
the srt4 is a standard neon just like an evo is a standard lancer, and these kinds of threads do a fantastic job of seperating the true enthusiats from the bitch ricers that only think its cool if it has a counterpart somewhere else in the world thats better than what we get.
What's your 86 dodge? Daytona? Charger? Omni GLHS? Looks relatively stock in the picture you posted, so I donno why you'd be calling out RX-7 owners for a race, since an S4 TII stock would rape any of the old stock dodge turbo cars.
Also, Dodge may have had the most turbocharging experience of any car manufaturer, but they all used the same ******* engine/turbo. I've got a turbo off a 2.2L Shadow in my garage right now, I can't see it pushing much power.
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02-25-07, 08:47 AM
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Regardless of what anyone says, the SRT4 drivetrain kicks ***. A kid at my shop made 300 whp and 330 tq on the boy-racer bolton ****. Thats a V8 number, and is pretty damn impressive.
I still don't like them, and wouldnt own one because its a Neon, but I like how efficiently they make power.
I still don't like them, and wouldnt own one because its a Neon, but I like how efficiently they make power.
02-25-07, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 93VRTouring
Our **** does stink. It's the sweet sweet smell of victory.
Well, the Evo simply isn't "just a lancer". It's AWD, lancer is FWD. I'm sure if Dodge would have taken the extra step to make the SRT-4 AWD, maybe some people may not think it's such a shitbox...but it is.
What's your 86 dodge? Daytona? Charger? Omni GLHS? Looks relatively stock in the picture you posted, so I donno why you'd be calling out RX-7 owners for a race, since an S4 TII stock would rape any of the old stock dodge turbo cars.
Also, Dodge may have had the most turbocharging experience of any car manufaturer, but they all used the same ******* engine/turbo. I've got a turbo off a 2.2L Shadow in my garage right now, I can't see it pushing much power.
Well, the Evo simply isn't "just a lancer". It's AWD, lancer is FWD. I'm sure if Dodge would have taken the extra step to make the SRT-4 AWD, maybe some people may not think it's such a shitbox...but it is.
What's your 86 dodge? Daytona? Charger? Omni GLHS? Looks relatively stock in the picture you posted, so I donno why you'd be calling out RX-7 owners for a race, since an S4 TII stock would rape any of the old stock dodge turbo cars.
Also, Dodge may have had the most turbocharging experience of any car manufaturer, but they all used the same ******* engine/turbo. I've got a turbo off a 2.2L Shadow in my garage right now, I can't see it pushing much power.
86 glht, the only thing stock under that hood is the speedo cable and steering rack.
ported head, big intercooler, big exhaust, a555 getrag, megasquirt, 2150 lbs with me in it
shooting for high 11's this year. im still on the stock turbo because i am hoping to become the fastest recorded stock turbo omni this summer
its not the fastest car in the world, i wouldnt race the thread starter for money (sure as hell would for fun though) but its pretty god damn quick for being just an 8 valve omni.
and dodge made the 2.2, 2.5, 2.2/2.5 common blocks, the intercooled cars got forged cranks, pistons and connecting rods, they used 50 trim t3 garret, small mitsu turbos on the later cars, some got vnt t25's, the 16 valve intercooled cars got even bigger t3's... the shelby cars got nice long runner intakes, there were 2 other intake combos availiable... there was a lot of variation over the years.. it definately wasnt the same engine over and over again, not even close. by 89 the intercooled 2.2's were basically bulletproof
02-25-07, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dumpsterdriver
you believe correct. in fact, dodge has made more turbocharged vehicles than any other car company in the world, and they have been doing it since the absolute beginning of fuel injection.
this thread is a fantastic example of why on other forums some people may post similar threads like "why do rx7 owners think their **** dont stink"
so much **** gets talked about the srt4's that its rediculous, and what it all boils down to is the "yea its probably the best bang for the buck car of all time, it absolutely rapes the **** out of anything even remotely near its price point, its reliable, and made by a company with more turbocharging history than any other... but.. but... they put it in the lightest, cheapest car they had so people could actually afford it!" arguement
i couldnt possibly roll my eyes harder. no **** its a neon. if you want a rolling **** enlarger with the same performance feel free to go pay 3 or 4 times more. lancers and imprezas are ******* hideously ugly, totally generic cars, so wheres all the "yea but its still a lancer" bs
the srt4 is a standard neon just like an evo is a standard lancer, and these kinds of threads do a fantastic job of seperating the true enthusiats from the bitch ricers that only think its cool if it has a counterpart somewhere else in the world thats better than what we get.
/rant off
here is my 86 dodge's engine bay. i keep it clean where it counts, but it looks like a terd on the outside for the sole purpose of getting dipshits like some of the people in this thread laughing at it, so i can take all of their money when their mouths stop racing and their 20 year newer cars start. no ic pipes at the moment because its torn apart for my megasquirt conversion.
so please, keep the ignorance alive, but only if you are bringing cash to the races. my 21 year old single cam 8 valve distributor driven front wheel drive peice of **** would love to race your superior japanese technology for cash
When I think Chrysler I think "cheap" "Lack of real intellegence" did I say "cheap"
How many chryslers have you sen with flaking paint and interiors that look like something from? Well for the lack of a better term un intellegent bankrupt company that just pump out **** for cars fo the last 30 year plus!
And when you say turbo for a long time I just say 1972 Rotary Miget fuel injected engines that were outlawed because they were to fast, And more on turbo 1974 Turbocharged ROTARY aircraft engine creating 300hp at 8.4k.
So bring on the K cars and the minivans becasue Id love to race one. Douch bag!
this thread is a fantastic example of why on other forums some people may post similar threads like "why do rx7 owners think their **** dont stink"
so much **** gets talked about the srt4's that its rediculous, and what it all boils down to is the "yea its probably the best bang for the buck car of all time, it absolutely rapes the **** out of anything even remotely near its price point, its reliable, and made by a company with more turbocharging history than any other... but.. but... they put it in the lightest, cheapest car they had so people could actually afford it!" arguement
i couldnt possibly roll my eyes harder. no **** its a neon. if you want a rolling **** enlarger with the same performance feel free to go pay 3 or 4 times more. lancers and imprezas are ******* hideously ugly, totally generic cars, so wheres all the "yea but its still a lancer" bs
the srt4 is a standard neon just like an evo is a standard lancer, and these kinds of threads do a fantastic job of seperating the true enthusiats from the bitch ricers that only think its cool if it has a counterpart somewhere else in the world thats better than what we get.
/rant off
here is my 86 dodge's engine bay. i keep it clean where it counts, but it looks like a terd on the outside for the sole purpose of getting dipshits like some of the people in this thread laughing at it, so i can take all of their money when their mouths stop racing and their 20 year newer cars start. no ic pipes at the moment because its torn apart for my megasquirt conversion.
so please, keep the ignorance alive, but only if you are bringing cash to the races. my 21 year old single cam 8 valve distributor driven front wheel drive peice of **** would love to race your superior japanese technology for cash
When I think Chrysler I think "cheap" "Lack of real intellegence" did I say "cheap"
How many chryslers have you sen with flaking paint and interiors that look like something from? Well for the lack of a better term un intellegent bankrupt company that just pump out **** for cars fo the last 30 year plus!
And when you say turbo for a long time I just say 1972 Rotary Miget fuel injected engines that were outlawed because they were to fast, And more on turbo 1974 Turbocharged ROTARY aircraft engine creating 300hp at 8.4k.
So bring on the K cars and the minivans becasue Id love to race one. Douch bag!
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1[QUOTE=dumpsterdriver]you believe correct. in fact, dodge has made more turbocharged vehicles than any other car company in the world, and they have been doing it since the absolute beginning of fuel injection.
this thread is a fantastic example of why on other forums some people may post similar threads like "why do rx7 owners think their **** dont stink"
so much **** gets talked about the srt4's that its rediculous, and what it all boils down to is the "yea its probably the best bang for the buck car of all time, it absolutely rapes the **** out of anything even remotely near its price point, its reliable, and made by a company with more turbocharging history than any other... but.. but... they put it in the lightest, cheapest car they had so people could actually afford it!" arguement
i couldnt possibly roll my eyes harder. no **** its a neon. if you want a rolling **** enlarger with the same performance feel free to go pay 3 or 4 times more. lancers and imprezas are ******* hideously ugly, totally generic cars, so wheres all the "yea but its still a lancer" bs
the srt4 is a standard neon just like an evo is a standard lancer, and these kinds of threads do a fantastic job of seperating the true enthusiats from the bitch ricers that only think its cool if it has a counterpart somewhere else in the world thats better than what we get.
/rant off
here is my 86 dodge's engine bay. i keep it clean where it counts, but it looks like a terd on the outside for the sole purpose of getting dipshits like some of the people in this thread laughing at it, so i can take all of their money when their mouths stop racing and their 20 year newer cars start. no ic pipes at the moment because its torn apart for my megasquirt conversion.
so please, keep the ignorance alive, but only if you are bringing cash to the races. my 21 year old single cam 8 valve distributor driven front wheel drive peice of **** would love to race your superior japanese technology for cash
[Quote]
When I think Chrysler I think "cheap" "Lack of real intellegence" did I say "cheap"
How many chryslers have you sen with flaking paint and interiors that look like something from? Well for the lack of a better term un intellegent bankrupt company that just pump out **** for cars fo the last 30 year plus!
And when you say turbo for a long time I just say 1972 Rotary Miget fuel injected engines that were outlawed because they were to fast, And more on turbo 1974 Turbocharged ROTARY aircraft engine creating 300hp at 8.4k.
So bring on the K cars and the minivans becasue Id love to race one. Douch bag!
this thread is a fantastic example of why on other forums some people may post similar threads like "why do rx7 owners think their **** dont stink"
so much **** gets talked about the srt4's that its rediculous, and what it all boils down to is the "yea its probably the best bang for the buck car of all time, it absolutely rapes the **** out of anything even remotely near its price point, its reliable, and made by a company with more turbocharging history than any other... but.. but... they put it in the lightest, cheapest car they had so people could actually afford it!" arguement
i couldnt possibly roll my eyes harder. no **** its a neon. if you want a rolling **** enlarger with the same performance feel free to go pay 3 or 4 times more. lancers and imprezas are ******* hideously ugly, totally generic cars, so wheres all the "yea but its still a lancer" bs
the srt4 is a standard neon just like an evo is a standard lancer, and these kinds of threads do a fantastic job of seperating the true enthusiats from the bitch ricers that only think its cool if it has a counterpart somewhere else in the world thats better than what we get.
/rant off
here is my 86 dodge's engine bay. i keep it clean where it counts, but it looks like a terd on the outside for the sole purpose of getting dipshits like some of the people in this thread laughing at it, so i can take all of their money when their mouths stop racing and their 20 year newer cars start. no ic pipes at the moment because its torn apart for my megasquirt conversion.
so please, keep the ignorance alive, but only if you are bringing cash to the races. my 21 year old single cam 8 valve distributor driven front wheel drive peice of **** would love to race your superior japanese technology for cash
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When I think Chrysler I think "cheap" "Lack of real intellegence" did I say "cheap"
How many chryslers have you sen with flaking paint and interiors that look like something from? Well for the lack of a better term un intellegent bankrupt company that just pump out **** for cars fo the last 30 year plus!
And when you say turbo for a long time I just say 1972 Rotary Miget fuel injected engines that were outlawed because they were to fast, And more on turbo 1974 Turbocharged ROTARY aircraft engine creating 300hp at 8.4k.
So bring on the K cars and the minivans becasue Id love to race one. Douch bag!
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Originally Posted by mattreeve
When I think Chrysler I think "cheap" "Lack of real intellegence" did I say "cheap"
How many chryslers have you sen with flaking paint and interiors that look like something from? Well for the lack of a better term un intellegent bankrupt company that just pump out **** for cars fo the last 30 year plus!
And when you say turbo for a long time I just say 1972 Rotary Miget fuel injected engines that were outlawed because they were to fast, And more on turbo 1974 Turbocharged ROTARY aircraft engine creating 300hp at 8.4k.
So bring on the K cars and the minivans becasue Id love to race one. Douch bag!
How many chryslers have you sen with flaking paint and interiors that look like something from? Well for the lack of a better term un intellegent bankrupt company that just pump out **** for cars fo the last 30 year plus!
And when you say turbo for a long time I just say 1972 Rotary Miget fuel injected engines that were outlawed because they were to fast, And more on turbo 1974 Turbocharged ROTARY aircraft engine creating 300hp at 8.4k.
So bring on the K cars and the minivans becasue Id love to race one. Douch bag!
So I read that someone respected Dodge. Huh. Why.
There is more to a car than speed or HP. Vipers interiors are ugly, fall apart. Poor steering, poor handling. Construction quality. on and on.
And thats thier BEST car.
Christ.
Dodge can't make a good ham sandwich.
If your thinking "who the fk is this guy." Well I will be one of the 1st to tell you what I think, bluntly, straight up.
That sleeper you built is dope. Because it is a sleeper. BUT it is *** ugly and probably has almost 0 amenities.
Cars are so much more multifaceted than everyone makes them out to be. Yes they should be fast as hell. BUT they should also corner well. Hold thier value. Look awesome. Be COMFORTABLE, not constructed like 3 yearolds play with legos (ie: SATURN) .... you get the idea.
I drive a 93 7 with the reliability mods done.
And of course my daily driver :
It has heated seats. lol. That should say it all.
Lastly, don't think I hate on American cars. I am an American, and I fking love that.
Whomever said the SRT is the best bang for you buck got me laughing real hard. Its the Z06, of course !
(bang for your buck is a ratio)
I'm not talking about the fastest slow car. THats probably that 76 pinto with alcohol inj. lol.
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Back on topic.... Yes SRT owners are like STANG owners.
They wake up every morning excited and ready to get beat.
And they do it driving a sub par car on many levels.
We should respect fellow Americans that can be happy and excited by so little on a dialy basis.
**** yeah!!
They wake up every morning excited and ready to get beat.
And they do it driving a sub par car on many levels.
We should respect fellow Americans that can be happy and excited by so little on a dialy basis.
**** yeah!!