snub disphenoid

My friends are all pumped up about my new car, so they wanted to see what it could do against my friend's Porsche 951 (944 Turbo). The 944 has a lindsey racing chip, 3" exhaust, intake, fuel pressure regulator, and a reliaboost module, which is supposed to net ~230-240rwhp.

I bought my TII with a full T04B turbo kit, HKS front mount, and a 3" downpipe/midpipe to a custom make 3"-2.5" dual system that reused the RB mufflers already on the car. It was very stupid of me to make the video, because I wasn't even really going full throttle. The boost is being regulated to 6-7psi, because it's on an untouched stock ECU with stock injectors. So this is like a ~200rwhp setup, because the fuel isn't even tuned to the new turbo or any of that ****. Yes, I know, I REALLY shouldn't be racing right now, but the car's gonna get tuned in about a week, and the boost will get upped. I might even change the turbocharger before then. (Holsett T-66, WHEEE)

The cars by themselves are dead even, and the difference in winning and losing, as you'll see in the video, is the cameraman. So weight makes a big difference, people!

http://videos.streetfire.net/player....5-604C9503A010

Sorry for the quality of the video, I don't have anything better than my digital camera. I wish I could get better sound recording equipment, at least.

snub disphenoid

Wait, this doesn't really count as a kill, because if there was no camera, neither car would have won (we tried it again without the camera, and we were bumper to bumper).

ENFORCER

How much do those 944's weigh?

soloracer951

My 944 Turbo weighs 3200 lbs without the driver. My T2 weighs 3100 lbs without the driver. I haven't weighed the FD yet. I've run my 944 Turbo against a friends modified T2 and the biggest difference is in the torque and gearing. My 944 Turbo made 270 rwhp & 307 lb/ft torque compared to his 370 rwhp. On runs from 50 mph I could stay even with him due to my torque and gearing. He has done some upgrades since (as have I) and he pulls me pretty good. We are going to dyno again and see where we stand now.

snub disphenoid

What are your mods? My friend just got his wastegate dumped, and he's now looking to up his injectors and do the full Lindsey Racing Super 61 upgrade package, so he's shooting for ~320rwhp.

soloracer951

My car is an 89 so it has the same options as the Turbo S (LSD, Tranny Cooler, etc.) At the time of my last dyno I had stock intake, a test pipe (cat bypass), 3" stainless exhaust, K27/8 turbo, 55 lb injectors, 3.0 bar FPR, chips, Tial 46 mm wastegate, Profec B, Forge BOV. I was running up to 15 psi of boost.

I'm now running a Vitesse Stage III turbo, 72 lb injectors, test pipe (cat bypass), 3" stainless exhaust, Tial 46 mm wastegate, Profec B, Forge BOV, MAF, chips, Lindsey hard pipes, 3.0 bar FPR, Lindsey Catch Can. I still have to install the SMT-6 piggyback that came with the turbo kit and my Lindsey Fuel rail w/lines and adjustable FPR. I'm told that when tuned I should get 330 rwhp at 15 lbs on pump gas and up to 380 rwhp at 18 lbs. On race fuel there are guys who have dynoed 420+ rwhp at 18 psi with this turbo. Guess I'll eventually find out. With just the chips and no tuning I figure I "might" be making 300 rwhp but that is just a guess from the *** dyno.

apzak

How does the 951 compare to the rx7? What do you like better, what do you like less in each car?

soloracer951

First of all the interior of the FD is CRAP! It seems almost like the engineers and designers came up with a beautiful plan and then the bean counters came in and wrecked it. The FD is also lighter than the 951 by about 400 lbs but feels "thin" in the bad way. The 951 feels much more solid. There are no rattles and squeeks. The interior is not made up of flimsy/cheap vinyl and plastic. The doors close with a solid "thud" not a mettalic "twang". So in this regard I give the edge to the 951.

The power on my 951 (because it's modified and my FD is stock) is more explosive. However, my friends in modified FC's have the power to blow my doors off. The RX7 has more power potential on pump gas. The 944 Turbo taps out at around 450 rwhp on pump gas and it costs a TON to get there. For relatively little dollars you can push an FD to that number and beyond. Power delivery on a stock 944 Turbo is very peaky (lots of lag and when boost hits hold onto the door handles) whereas the stock FD feels much more progressive. If I were comparing a stock 944 Turbo S to a stock FD power wise I would say that the FD would win but that it would be close. The 944 Turbo makes a ton more torque and has longer gears which help it in the acceleration test even though the power comes on later. I believe the stock 944 Turbo S did the 0-60 sprint in 5.5 seconds. I'm not sure what the stock FD does it in. Back in 1989 the 944 Turbo had the quickest 50-80 mph 3rd gear passing times - faster than a Ferrari Testarossa. Pretty impressive for a turbo 4 banger. Power in stock mode - no advantage either car. Power potential - advantage FD.

The brakes on the 944 Turbo (mine is the S model) are phenominal and I have yet to see an FC or Fd that brakes as well. Advantage - 951.

Handling would go towards the FD. The steering on the FD feels much lighter and the car just wants to go where you point it. The steering on the 944 is heavier and some of the road feel is lost. The 944 tends to "squat" on rapid acceleration due to it's torsion bar design. My gut tells me that on a road course or autocross track the stock Fd would be quicker than a stock 944 Turbo S. Adantage: FD

The 951 looks like an 80's car and doesn't generate a lot of attention on the road. The FD on the other hand is sex on wheels. People that wouldn't give the 951 a second look will rubber neck to see the FD. Ricers stop and point. I get comments on the RX7 all the time. Advantage: FD

Status value - if that means anything to you - definately goes to the Porsche. Pull up to a hotel or tell someone what you drive and they suddenly give you a whole different attitude. I even had a hottie - who wouldn't talk to me all night - suddenly want me to drive her home when she found out I was driving the Porsche. That doesn't happen with the FD. When I meet new people and tell them what I drive I probably spend more time explaining what an FD looks like and how the engine works. In the end their eyes glaze over and they give you that "sure...yah....right....ok.......ahhhuh......" expression. Advantage: 951

In the end they are both cars I am happy to own and won't get rid of either of them - with the possible exception of trading the 951 on a 993 Twin Turbo. I'll always have a rotary and now that I have an FD I believe that it will be with me forever.

snub disphenoid

I have to say, the 951 is my second favorite (realistic for me to own) car. I have had to drive my friend's car many a time, to the exhaust shop, to his work, and I absolutely love driving it. The engineering under the hood makes me want to beat my head against the wall sometimes, though, and Porsche's oddball thinking really hinders the car in its quest to make serious power. Things like the placement of the MAF and air filter and ESPECIALLY the turbocharger (unnecessary exhaust piping!!!!!1) really make me wonder what the engineers were trippin' on.

But the 951 is just a blast to drive. If I actually owned one, I'd probably have it as a daily driver and keep the RX-7 in reserve as a ridiculously fast racer-boy car. In terms of the driving experience they provide, both cars are on about the same level, but they excel in different things. Oh yeah, and the Porsche is undeniably the nicer car. You'll get a helluva lot more looks in a clean 951 than you will in a clean FC. FDs on the other hand...

jacobcartmill

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buy a haltech, get it tuned for 17psi, and ruin your friends life due to the fierceness with which you rolled him and his weird rear transaxle car.

okbye