A Real Kill involving a Viper
 

This happened a few weeks ago but i thought i should post anyways.

Here's the link for the Viper. Watch the news report.

http://www.theiowachannel.com/news/4280351/detail.html


The dad is stupid to give his son a Viper. And just 2 years ago, three teens died at my school in an Integra when they came off a turn doing 125 and went into the grass until they hit a huge utility pole. All were killed except driver.

wtf kind of negligent parent purchases anything like a Viper for a child. Has anyone checked to see if the dad had a $5,000,000 life insurance policy on the kid??

Yeah, there is one guy here at NCSU that has a Viper and a Supra, both given to him by his parents. What the hell were his parents thinking, Vipers are known to be hard to handle, more so than a lot of cars, especially for young drivers.

-Rob

Yeah Vipers have got to be the most ass happy cars on earth. Thats not something you give a kid. I'm saying this as a 17 year old.

I went to a very snooty high school where it was COMMON for the kids to drive BMW, Mercedes, even some Porsches and NSXs, etc... Nearly every kid that got anything better than 125 hp wrecked it within 2 years, and at least two were killed that I can remember.

Giving a fast car to a kid is RETARDED. I wouldn't even give my kid a 200 hp car, let alone a 500 hp car.

there use to be a kid that went to the same highschool as me and he would drive his dad's viper to school now and then. i dont care how responsible your kid is, i seriously doubt he can handle a Viper or any other high HP car.

You guys are completely missing the point:

It's not the fact that he was 17 and driving a Viper. Or an Integra. Or a Moped.
It's the fact that he was driving recklessly and stupid on the street. And it killed his friend.

It's easy to blame the parents or the kid or peer pressure. But the truth is, you might want to start by looking at your own actions too:


Starts at the bottom of this page:

https://www.rx7club.com/south-rx-7-forum-34/dfw-rx-7-rx-8-april-meet-407265/page3/

Practically the entire "Kills" section is full of the same thing that killed that kid.

i hear you.
but do u ever street race?

thats pretty stupid what kind of parent gives his spoiled teenager a car like that? he only had it for a few hours before he totaled it and killed his best friend.

I'm ashamed to say, unfortunately, yes. Twice. Several years ago.

Both were single, unplanned events on completely empty stretches of interstate, but that doesn't make it OK. It was a poor decision and I definately am in no hurry to make the same mistake again. Simply too many unexpected things can happen at absurd speeds that you can't plan for....

And if it only kills you, you're lucky.

whatever, racing and not racing, if you wreck, you can kill your self and others even if your doing 50mph, or even 70mph on the interstate, im tired of you old asses bitching about street racing, yeah its illegal, but so is not using your blinker, but i see people do it everyday. you guys suck

Thats true, but your still missing the whole point. :rolleyes: Street racing increases the chance of having an accident, not using your blinker increases the chance of an accident. Driving the speed limit, and following traffic laws DECREASES your chances. Sheesh. Just because alot of people don't use their blinkers doesn't make it ok for you and everyone else to.

I'm sorry, but you my friend, are stupid. It's because of people that think like you that causes accidents. If you want to go kill yourself in your car, be my guest, but when it involves killing someone else at your stupidity, it's a whole other story.

-Alex

hey you live in gallatin... were u at the hunters show

Nope, havn't been in a few years. Where at in Nashville do you live?

-Alex

off of old hickory. like 10 mins from downtown

dude some kids can't even handle a civic or integra, WTF a viper?

Sure, you can wreck anything if you drive stupidly.... but the demands on the driver, and consequences for screwing up are alot higher in a car like a Viper.

If i might step onto my soap box for a minute:

There's really no point in voting for "family values" or fretting about whether or not a couple of gay guys get married in your neighborhood because you're worried about the values your kids might grow up with, if you're then just going to turn around and teach them bad lessons and shitty values by buying them a fucking Viper when they turn 16, handing them 50 bucks for dinner, and disapearing...


<off soapbox>

QFT. Amen, brother.

wow, i bet the father and son must feel really stupid right now.

The father and son will be over it in a week and their attorney will make them out to be the victims in the court and local media. Ho-hum.

I saw a news article after 2F2F came out, where they blamed the movie for the death of a 16 year old kid...


...who was driving his dad's '91 Corvette. With permission.

Oh yeah, I believe that one. :rlaugh:

I think this would be a good plug for Darwin's theory, survival of the fittest, although an accident can happen to the smartest of people. But then again, "why tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death?"

Although, if you kill someone else, that doesn't really apply.

Speedjunkie I am with you one the survival of the fittest. I have no issues with people removing themself from the gene pool. My entire issue with this is the fact that the father's neglegence in letting a minor drive a 500hp sports car resulted in the death of a child that was not his own.

This was down here, like five minutes from where I live. Anyways, it was this whole big ordeal, the dad was a cop and made it seem like him and his family were victims. Anyways, not everybody can handle a car, especially a 500hp torqy monster like the viper. Like somebody said, most young people cant even handle fwd 100hp cars... Now I dont want to souind like a hipacryt(sp?) Im 20, but my parents didnt want to buy me 300tt cuz it was too fast, they wouldnt let me get a bike, and then my first car was a 2000 accord. I have seen many of my friends in racing related accidents, I have seen many people die at my school, and I was racing someone when they crashed into a pole. Street racing is dangerous, but I do it sometimes. But I do not believe that its anybody's fault when something like this happens, except the driver or the passenger. I can almost guarantee that the passenger wasnt being held against his will, in the car. If someone knows you race and how you drive and they get in the car, then its like them giving an
implied consent to accept how you drive.

I agree with what everyone is saying, but alot of you guys are assuming he was racing or whatever. It clearly stated in the report that they are not sure if speed was a factor. You'd know right off the bat if speed/racing was a factory, so there's apparently more to the story. Either way, he shouldn't of been driving a viper. Alot of older men can't even handle the cars, and they arn't the easiest vehicle to drive, even under normal circumstances.

-Alex

its all bollocks! I had my 1st viper at 17! now im 22 and ahve bought myself a henessey 800TT viper! im still here!! if u can drive u can drive! he obviously couldnt! fucking hate it when people blame the parents or the car! fucking cop out!!

You sir, are a tool! Arn't you the same guy that swore he had these cars, yet couldn't provide pictures or proof? :rlaugh:

-Alex

Edit: https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...6&page=6&pp=15 Yup, you sure are! :D

its sad when you have lie to make yourself feel better in an online community.
O well, have fun with your 800tt viper when you close your eyes.. :rolleyes:

WTF were the parents doing handing over the keys to something like that? They must have wanted their kid to get killed. That father should kick himself in the ass for being so retarded. Yes the kid was probably driving fast and being stupid, BUT if you were 16 and you got the keys to a 500hp car wouldnt you open it up as well??? Jesus the father had to be drunk when he gave up the keys or wanted his son to die. The most unfortunate part is that the driver didnt die, his innocent passenger did. Thats the worst part.

Jay STFU...you suck at life. You do not have a viper, let alone a TT viper.

I always hate these threads. Everyone always knows about a "kid" that dies in a car they can't handle. But there is always 300 kids who can handle their 200+hp cars and are responsible. They learned the "great power and great resposibility" bit and know not to exceed their skill.

I guess that's how it goes. It does'nt matter how small the percentage is, if one kid does something stupid, all kids are stupid.

Even at 16, if I were given a 500hp car sure I'd open it up, either illegaly at 3 in the morning on a straight stretch of highway that was at least 10 miles long or at the track.

Its not the "kids" fault. Someone should have have taught him better. At our driving school, instructor has a talk with kids under 18 who learning about the weapon they are trying to control. No one is born knowing not to do stupid stuff. You have to be taught what's wrong and what's right.

Why is Ken Gushi, a 16 year old, a proffesional driver? Because his dad taught him everything there is(including being responsible) about cars since the kid could talk. Its called parenting. Its why there's a guy on my street who owns a shop and slowly teaching his kid about cars and the responsibility coupled with them. He drives a 4door accord. The accord is tuned with suspension and a H22 swap. Perfect for a begginer. He and his son have been doing father-son runs at the track where his dad educates him about following the quickest lines, waiting to pass safely, and driver courtesy. I wish every kid had father that would teach them how to drive effectivly and safely and any situation. The world would be a better place*.

* As in there would'nt be 3 cars next to eachother in 3 three lanes going the same speed and cause major traffic behind them.

First of all the kid was 18, second of all why you call the passenger innocent? Almost all my friends have pretty quick cars, everytime each of us either do a certain mod or upgrade to the cars, we go for a ride. If someone has a 500hp 7 and the owner asks you if you want to go for a ride and you say yes, if he were to crash or you were to get injured, would you be innocent??? I think not. Thats what most likely happend here. The friend got a new viper, and he was like o take me for a ride. I dont think the friend wanted to ride in the car to see how smooth the ride is, or to see how well the stock sound system was.

Who friggin cares.

This thread sucks

I remeber one time when I was on my way to school. I saw some girl who didn't know how to drive her new mustang go from making a simple right hand turn to being totally turned around. she gave her car just a little to much gass in the rain and spun it around and put the car up on the curb. It was hilarious. She didn't get hurt just startled.

Hey does anybody think a 7 is too much for a 16 year old?

I agree, im sure the passenger wanted to see how fast it was. My point was that first, the driver didnt die, and second if i was going to die I would at least want to be driving the car. I say innocent because he didnt have a part of wrecking the car. He couldnt do anything to prevent it, other than not riding in it.

I have to agree with "Whats going through those parents heads" im only 17 and I realize that giving a car with that much power to a young kid is foolish... A kid at my school has a 400 hp chevy nova and just seeing the way he drives/trys to drive is pretty scary.... He tryed doing a burnout infront of our school and forgot to straighten the wheels and just about smoked a parked car... and get this, his parents were in the car with him... WTF is going through these parent's heads???

Its one thing if you are responsible and know how to handle the vehicle but its another thing when you just hand over the keys to a inexperienced teen. But in this case I really doubt that charges will be filed since the passenger was dumb enough not to where a seat belt, kinda sad because that desition is what made him lose his life...

hells yes
any car that has power on oversteer is a bad bad idea for inexperienced drivers [porsche, viper, rx-7 (fd atleast)]
You get the back end moving and then: give it too much gas you spin, jump off the throttle (the natural reaction) you spin, overcorrect while doing either, you spin.
I think its more this kind of handling characteristic that is the problem. Its also what makes it the most fun to drive and why i own an FD, but unless you have been karting as a kid for years and years you need something with a big margin of error when you are learning.

I just got my FC and im 16.. havent driven it yet but i plan on being responsible. Shouldnt be too much for me if i take it slow..
Take a look at it
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416951

Not a turbo just got the hood on it.

If said 16 year old is an idiot, a camel is too much. As someone had previously said, it depends on the individual judgement.

i spun out my rx7 and flip and total loss it in traffic on the freeway after i was done cutting traffic. SOMEBODY cut me so in order to order to avoidi cut to teh right and before you knew it smoke and big ole tire marks :( r.i.p 1/22/05

I'm 17 and i own a 93 Rx7. But i also SCCA race so i know what it feels like when you're pushing a car to its limits. That and i've seen what happens when people act stupid. Had a lot of people killed at my school because of cars.

man, how do these young kids have fd's and stuff. When i was 16 i dould barely afford my n/a FC

lol.. im 16 and i can barely afford my fc n/a.. i love it though.

I just got mine last November for a graduation present. That and i work my ass off to pay insurance and for my mods.

Im surprised nobody talked about how the passenger wasnt wearing his seatbelt. The driver was wearing one and survived. Hey, if you want to get in a car and not wear a seatbelt, its your own problem. Even if they were driving completely fine, a fucking dog could come running out to the road and fuck you over. Needless to say, the death would have been provented had he been wearing a seatbelt. Dont blame it on just the driver. Hey, i have a 435 whp rx7 and EVERYTIME i have a passenger get in the car, i tell them to put there seatbelt on, if they refuse its off my concience.
Adam

New screen-name Batman?