BlackRX7Turbo

So you're saying that the amount a person makes determines how well they can drive?

I would talk to all the guys in the Porsche and Ferrari clubs and see if that's true....

Personally, I know quite a few guys that have multiple Ferraris and/or Porsches that drive better than many of us could ever hope to....

RX7UP

I think the MR-2 is the one he mentioned was running 12s.......

7THSIGN

correct

of course not, I was just saying that most of those people driving those expensive sport cars do not know how to drive them to there full potential. Not ALL of them, just SOME. I remember my fathers friend allowed me to drive his Viper and he was amazed on how the car could perform when driven right.

I also agree that there are a lot of Porsche and Ferrari guys that can drive DAMN well. As they should for owning a exotic sports car.

BlackRX7Turbo

^^^ at the same time, the same can be said for any RX-7 driver... there probably are a bunch that can't drive at all, while there are a bunch that are better than I'll ever be...

the point is, you can't box in a person based on their money if they can drive a car or not... even poor or middle class people that stretch their budget for a car can suck just as badly...

7THSIGN

i agree with you 100% sir

RX7UP

IMO.... I believe that "most" people that own exotics don't know how to drive them to their fullest potential.... Lets face it... In order for most to afford an exotic they must put alot of effort on work, meaning long hours, dedication, and specializing them self in a field that will bring fruit of lots of wealth!

Obtaining said wealth takes lots of time at the office etc. Leaving little time to practice driving that 1/4 of a million exotic.......

Just my 2 cents...

rx-7s rock

P.S. I don't drive an RX-7. Does no one check profiles?

BookEditar

right... but he wasnt saying that it "doesnt matter." he said it matters less, which is true. the amount that weight matters is basically a function of acceleration, the faster youre accelerating, the more it matters. at higher speeds, it matters less and at a certain speed, the cars power starts to have to overcome drag rather than weight.

Shinobi-X

He stated, "the Rx7's weight advantage becomes less as speed increases". <--- This comment is wrong- I stated weight matters ANYWHERE you're trying to accelerate among other factors. What reason would the weight advantage become less, unless one car is either gaining, or losing weight as it moves? In itself, its not like the weight of the car becomes less difficult to accelerate, but other factors come into play which present a challenge to the cars ability to accelerate further- you still have to move the physical car itself.

The faster you're "trying" to accelerate- of course it will matter. At higher speeds it matters just as much, but you now have gearing, and wind resistance to worry about as well. If we kept all things equal, two cars with the same CD, gearing, etc. trying to accelerate from 100 to 160 will make different times depending on their weight because it still matters. Velocity doesn't change mass.

However, if you're trying to say that at greater speeds, some forces are more dominant which hinder acceleration, then yes, I'd agree.

RX7UP

^^^
I couldn't have explained it better myself... Thank you Professor-X

IndyKid

Sorry it took me so long to get back on this site. I just got a girlfriend so you know how that goes. I can just tell you my experience. I don't know about 630hp rx7 to a 900hp supra, nor do I care. I can tell you with video proof that a 360rwhp rx7 will not beat a 500rwhp supra. Radkins was putting down about 360rwhp with his fd and my bpu mk4 put down about 410rwhp and his trap speed was 1mph faster than mine. As far as the question about my friends racing, I really hope you are joking.

Shinobi-X

I'd have to agree. A local guy running a T04S single at 15 psi making in the neighborhood of 400rwhp barely held off my friends 500rwhp stock twin supra. Unless under specific conditions, I'd be hard pressed to believe that 360rwhp in an FD would be capable of defeating one.

IndyKid

Thanks man. I know I'm not crazy.

Shinobi-X

No problem. I'd also add that the FD owner is a damn good driver, while the Supra was an auto. These were multiple runs, so I can't say it was a fluke either. Congrats on the GF too...you may not be crazy yet, but it will come. j/k

IndyKid

Yeah, so here is a cheater vid.

http://www.radkinsrx7.com/videos/Ind...%20Radkins.mpg

von

All being equal ie traction, actual power numbers, launch exc I do believe the power to weight ratio. I have heard to many times even from supra forums of rx7's spanking on high horsepower supra's. Even in NHRA or IDRA whatever there are way more rx7 wins then there ever was supra wins. RX7.com car with 630rwp beat the 1000rwp supra back in 2002 was it? Whatever Im really not impressed with the Supra. Rather have an NSX. Makes about the same power without the turbo. Now thats cool.

855m0n0

iTrader: (1)

What NSX makes Supra Power with out a turbo? Last I checked there are not any 500+whp NA NSX's around much less 1000whp ones. Last I heard they had 249hp at the wheels stock (3.2l one), which is still less than a Supra.

Shinobi-X

He said "about the same power". I figure he meant stock, but its still a stretch.

IndyKid

What type of race was it? 1/4 mile, highway roll, road coarse? I once got beat by my friends 200rwhp mr2 in the 1/4. I spun and then miss shifted. Did he really beat me? Well, the time slip sure said so.

Mr rx-7 tt

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It takes about 90/100 hp more in a supra to run with an RX-7 at those power levels. Also a 500 hp supra will be faster than a 360 rwhp.

Outkast

Let's just say that a Supra running the same whp as an RX7 will lose 100% of the time given fair and equal conditions, and also a 500 whp Supra will have an extremely difficult time beating a 400 rwhp RX7. I think this much can be said without a doubt, and it's nice for us since we cannot compete with the dyno #s of Supras without a 20B. I respect Suras for their top end and reliability, but personally beleive that they have 0 (ZERO) advantage over RX7s in any form of racing or motorsport.

Shinobi-X

Minus the bias, this is basically just the law of power to weight...

Supras also have better low end, but aside from that, I wouldn't underestimate their ability around a road course, or down the drag strip. Despite their weight, they are/can be very quick cars in turns, and from a dig, braking, etc. Lastly, reliability more than has its share of importance/advantages in any motorsport.

iceman4357

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my friend had a BPU supra, i think he dyno'd at 430rwp, and i have my rx7 that prolly put a little over 300(since the engine is so old. 5 compression on rear, and 6 on front!) We ran identicle times at the track. 12.7 @ 115, a shitty 2.4 0-60 ft. But on the highway I barely pulled on him Both of our cars are very impressive for multiple reasons. High HP supras will most likely get beat at the track(unless professional racers) because they are so damn hard to hook the *** end. On the highway we all know that both cars are extremely fast. After i get my car back from ohio i should be around a little over 420rwp with my T78. I have a few single supras here that put 500rwp+, so i will make some vids and let you guys know!

IRPerformance

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lol

Outkast

By low end, I meant 0-60mph-1/4 mile, not low RPM sorry
To my understanding, RX7s edge out supras in this department, I've seen it a thousand times.

Peak horsepower # and highway rolls to near top speed :

Advantage Supra

I understand that despite their heft, Supras handle really well, that's cool. From a dig, time after time I see them lose, whether it's just all the drivers, or too much horsepower, or whatever. Reliability definitely wins races, that's why Mazda has countless victories from Le Mans to GTU to rally, Boneville salt flats (shattering the record many years, 242 mph in 1992). It' s too bad that certain s in the hands of certain types of owners/dealerships proved to be troublesome if not regularly and properly maintained. In my opinion, that has nothing to do with race prepped cars. Rotaries don't blow up while racing professionally any more that other cars (as a matter of fact, less). My .02 cents