+1

 

lol you heroin junkie.

 

He didn't cause his own downfall because he DID try to brake and get out of the lane. The poster, hit his brakes, FORCING the saturn into the ditch. The saturn couldn't get over because the poster hit his brakes so he could block him off, according to his own story. Yes, the car was being an ***, but that's not the issue. The original poster forced a car off the road for being a jackass. He simply could've sped up and left the car in the first place, which is what he ended up doing anyway, or he could've stopped somewhere and let the jackass go about his merry way. You're arguing like he had no choice but to put the saturn in the ditch, which is ridiculous.

 

rx7club ethics training at its finest..

 

Merlin jesus christ man, how can the saturn prove he wasent wreckless driving? he would be ******* himself in court too.... "oh yea judge i like his car so i decided to illigally pass him and endager other people lives while i was trying to get off racing an rx7" The dude had every oportunity in the world to stop even before the ditch. but no he had to be a headstong *** hole trying to prove he was better then me... if he was driving a truck i bet he still would have raced me thrrough the ditch.

 

Look, the Saturn assumed the risk of running into the ditch when it tried to over take the Rx7 on the straight away. Is that the posters fault? No. The poster did alter the circumstances in which the Saturn was operating, but again, the Saturn should have assumed the risk when he tried to overtake.

Lets use Nascar as an example...(bleh, but stay with me) If someone like Tony Stewart was on the outside of the track, and was trying to overtake in the corner, and slingshot on the far side but instead spins and goes into the grass, is it the fault of all the people that passed underneath him, and held him to the top side till the last minute, or is it his, for losing control of his car? The answer of course is clear. He lost control of his car, it was his fault, and no one is going to get blamed for him spinning out, unless they hit his vehicle. The same applies here. The poster did not touch his car, and thus the saturn had a choice. He could run into the ditch, or he could drive towards the RX7, and try to make him move, by threatening to damage the poster with a plastic bottle on wheels.

The problem is that youre trying to argue in a perfect world. Newsflash, this world is far from intelligent, and this saturn is a great example of the low side of the human gene pool.

And yes, if you are being an *******, you deserve to be driven off the road. Lets use Gramps as an example for this one. If he intentionally slams on his brakes in the fast lane, and trys to limit the speed to 45mph, because he thinks everyone is going too fast, someone with a pushbar on their truck needs to "bump" his old school self out of the way so that normal traffic can continue. He is being an *******, and because cops are usually not around to "persuede" him to move, the proper action needs to be executed by the citizens. Dont get that confused with vigilanty style justice. Vigilanty justice is like shooting someone in the head for pooping on your lawn.

And yes, a vehicle is not wrecked till it is inoperable. If you can still drive it, it can be supremely F***ed up, but its not wrecked. Wrecked refers to (at least the way I use it) To something that hinders the performance of the vehicle, such as, but not limited to, a wheel missing, a brake disc that is only half there, a snapped axle, a blown motor, A radiator that looks like swiss cheese...if you follow the trend, you get the point.

See, what I think is clouding your debate here, is that you want to save people from themselves, and make the world a happy place. The world is NOT a happy place more often than not. Stop trying to defend stupid people. Let nature take its course, and weed out the gene pool.


Okay. Lets go over this again, It was the posters choice to do what he did, however stupid you think it is. But lets go over the alternatives.

A) He speeds up, he leaves the Saturn behind, and is crusing along in what is described as mild to medium traffic at high speed. While being very dangerous, this is also an issue, because he says he did not want a ticket. This brings about the second part of my point. Cherries and Berries show up in his rearview, /gg, RX7 loses because it is now pulled over, and Saturn didnt get a damn thing.

B) He pulls over and stops. Saturn could pull over and stop with him, or he could continue. The possibility that he would have pulled over with him was fairly great as he was tailing this car for some 80 odd miles.

C) He ignores the Saturn. Well, what if the Saturn has almost hit you several times? What then? What you ignore cant hurt you, because you dont believe in it? Sorry, doesnt work that way.

D) He does what he did, and then picks up speed. The Saturn goes into the ditch, possibly breaks parts, and is unable to follow. Unfortunately, this Saturn does not break parts, and continues to follow him. At which point the poster speeds up and leaves the Saturn behind. At this point, if the Saturn has any inteligence at all, he realizes that he shouldnt keep ******* with fire, since he already got burned.

The counter points to A B C and D.

A) Weaving through traffic may have lost the Saturn, or caused an accident, in which the saturn was involved.

B) The Saturn keeps going, but the poster is now stuck on the side of the road, trying to merge back into traffic. Poster could be struck by vehicle in traffic.

C) The Saturn could run into him doing one of its stupid moves, and cause damage to an RX7club member. Someone could be seriously injured, and RX7 may be totaled.

D) The Saturn could have had a gun, and hurt someone, the saturn could have rammed the RX7 causing damage, and a wreck, or it could have followed him the entire way home and done something malicious to the poster or his property.

Overall though, A B C and D share at least two things. The Saturn was a retard, and anything could have happened.

 

Your Nascar story isn't the least bit helpful. The highway is not a Nascar racetrack. You're not supposed to hold people behind you because it's not a race, it's the highway and you're not Jeff Gordon. You're posting as if the saturn suddenly lost control and ran into a ditch all of it's own accord. Are you completely missing the point where the OP slammed on his brakes, forcing the saturn to stay in the lane that was ending SO IT COULDN'T GET BACK OVER INTO THE PROPER LANE? The responsibility for the wreck lies in the OP because HE DID NOT let the driver back over.

As to gramps, you're a bigger dumbass than the OP if you think you can enforce whatever law you feel is necessary. Who are you to decide how fast everyone should drive? If I feel like I want to drive 45mph in a 55, then I dare you to come and try to "push" me into going faster. That's childishness at it's best right there.

Reading through the rest of your post, I see it's pointless to continue this any further. You have some off the wall explanation for why the OP shouldn't have done any number of reasonable things such as pull over or leave the guy. How about call the police? Oh, but I'm sure the saturn driver would've seen him on the phone, assumed he was calling the authorities, and decided to shoot him with his imaginary pistol. Very plausible, really. You even start making things up like, "well he was following him for 80 odd miles." No, he wasn't. At most, if they were doing the speed limit for 20 minutes, they went 15 miles.

I now see why road rage in California is such a huge problem.

 

**** if im jeff gordon, **** the police, and wtf? dude i gave him plenty of opportunitys to stop by telling him to **** off. But no, he made the decision to chase me down and **** up. no means no. And for some they dont take no for an awser. He had full control over what he was doin... he never had to hit the ditch, if he was watching ahead he would have known the lane ended, but isted he was tryin to race me down that lane staring at me the whole time he was doin it. If he was payin attention to where he was goin the he would have never hit the ditch.

 

I grew up there. It is spelled Gloucester.

There are some pieces of work running around there, does not surprise me at all.

You all have a lot of time on your hands to be putting this amount of thought into something so irrelevant.

 

Really? Which is it, cause in your original post you said you locked your brakes up so he couldn't get back over.

 

Well I bet the ******* retard in the saturn learned his lesson. If he ***** around and acts like an idiot, he is going to eventually eat ****. Its like a dog that bites people, they only respond to getting hit back, and if they dont learn, you shoot them. I support the thread starter, Good job man, maybe you saved someones life by teaching him this lesson before he did something even stupider.

 

i would've put him on the ditch also, there are a lot of stupid and crazy people out there and it seems the saturn guy was one of them, eat ditch sucka lmao.

 

Yea there are def some retarded people runnin around there. dad had to drive that car over there yesterday to go to the doctor and he said 4 hondas were ****** with him the whole time and he burnt up all of em.

 

so he should've left the saturn alone so he can keep ******* around with other drivers and most likely learn his lesson the hard way by hurting someone? The way I see it, he got forced off the road, fell into a ditch and was lucky enough to be able to drive off. The idiot learned his lesson without any serious consequences.

 

I give up. God help anyone who tries to race you people, they'll end up in a ditch all in the name of "safety". Lol, whatever.

 

Hey now, dont go and PMS on me, I just stated my opinions, I didnt try to jab a stake through your heart.

Okay, so the highway isnt a Nascar track, but the premise is similar. The guy was racing, he had options. Run into RX7, run into ditch.

Oh, and Jeff Gordon can burn in hell. I hate that *****. Apparently reading isnt your strong point. I said that the Saturn ran into the ditch, not that it randomly spun out of control. I referenced to Tony Stewart for that.

The other driver is ultimately responsible for his own vehicle. The OP isnt responsible for ****. He didnt touch the Saturn, he didnt force him to speed up and try to pass, and he didnt say, "go run into that ditch over there".

You say its childish to help enforce the laws/rules of the road? I have pushed people on the freeway. I was driving a friends truck, helping him move some stuff (beater with a push bar), and 4 guys tried to box me in, the two on the sides got slammed, the one behind me got a bumper in his hood, and the other got pushed by cruise control to about 70. I really dont give a flying **** what you think I will and wont do, or what you think is childish. The real question is, is it more childish to be a whiney bitch and stick to your guns and drive 45, or would it possibly be a wee bit more mature to move over and let faster traffic pass?

Also, why so pretentious? I never said he couldnt call the police, but when do they ever respond to a call on time? Personally, havent had it happen yet. See, you think that none of this happens. Ive seen people get run down on the freeway, and been chased. People have been shot on the freeway near where I lived in southern california. I know what can and will happen when people are stupid beyond any and all comprehension. You on the other hand seem blind and ignorant to the fact that some people will go so far as to pull out a gun and start letting shots fly.

Youre partially right, if you looked in a mirror you might see clearer why people have road rage in California. Stupid *** people like you, who think that your way is primo, and everyone else takes a back seat to your ideas/thoughts/wants/needs. Another newsflash for you, your idea/thoughts may not always be the best ones. Be a little more open to debate, less argumentative, and a whole lot less condescending/pretentious, and you would be able to convey your thoughts more effectively.

I would be sarcastic, but I have the feeling its something that you might do. Dont let the door hit you on the way out.

 

Im just bored before work, got nothing better to do anyway. Lol.

 

So what did the 4 cars do after you smashed and bashed your way out of their "box"?

 

I never said I was leaving, I was simply tired of arguing. Now I'm not arguing, I'm telling you how it is so your dumbass can get a clue

 

that example is no more relevant then the ones we provided that you decided to cast aside.

try looking at it this way (and actually think about it instead of just saying it doesnt apply) if some guys minding his own business and you start eggin him on trying to picking and fight and he knocks you the **** out, is it his fault? yea he threw the punch but you caused it and thats what happened here, this wasnt some friendly little competition between two drivers, this was an ******* trying to "pick a fight" in a driving sense, and he got ditched as a result.

im pretty much done with this argument since neither side will budge, but just for the hell of it merlin, if you were in his situation what would you have done. if a car had followed and harrassed and endangered both himself and you for the past 15 miles and showed no sign of leaving you alone, and he was now trying to illegally pass you for the sake of being infront of you on a one lane road (most likely so he could pester/endanger you some more), what would you have done? keep in mind that hindsight is 20/20 and the poster didnt have the opportunity to sit down and think about what he was going to do.

 

there is a clear and obvious difference between two people agreeing to race (which technically shouldnt be on the road anyways, but thats neither here nor there) and one guy driving with his friend and another harrassing him.

 

are you ******* dr phil ?

how do you know the saturn guy didnt wanna drive him off the road ?

so stfu

 

Okay, so now youre being a pure condescending *****. Thanks for that. Really helps me out, you know? Still, gotta say, Crayons are probably a giant technological leap over what you're used to...what is it, flint and rock? Ug draw on cave wall? Get bent dude, I didnt personally attack you at all, and youre getting all defensive and *** hurt, about an opinion that I have, which I even tagged with a disclaimer! I dont think that Im going to change your way of thinking, but Im not trying to, so it is a moot point.

Saying thigns that are insulting arent going to make me realize, "Awww ****, he was right all along, why the hell didnt I think of that!?" Theyre going to make me think something along the lines of, "This guy is a grade A douche bag, why am I listening to him?"

Nope, if I swerved to avoid you and hit a tree, thats my fault. You may have propogated the situation, but I made the decision that put me in the tree.

And who said I made the story up? Yes, its reminiscent of Fast and the Furious, Ill give you that, but people are stupid, and stupid knows no age. Ever read about people that used to do that crap for insurance? Box someone in, and slam on the brakes leaving the car in the middle no chance to escape? If you havent, it was quite common back in the mid 90's, at least in California.

Okay, riddle me this, how many times have the police responded quickly to a call that was urgent, that you made? I make an urgent call because someone is trying to break into my house, and they take a half hour to show up. Puts some real faith in me, thats for damn sure. Not saying we need to get rid of them, but the system could use some improving.

I am so glad that I have a clue now. Thank you so much for that. I dont know what I ever would have done without it.

I really do love how you think saying something like "Now im telling you so your dumb *** can get a clue" solves everything, and makes me so wrong, and you so right. Its amazing how much like a pre pubescent kid you sound, when you try to sound smart.

Merlin would have teleported away using his magic powers, and lived happily ever after with the elfs and fairies that enchant his dreams.

Now, on a completely serious note, Merlin, dont try to insult my intelligence by saying that my vocabulary is limited. Webster's dictionary has no part in my daily life, because I use words that are easily understood that communicate my point. Now, if you care to stop acting like a child (we both are, but that aside...) We can have an actual discussion instead of a "whos e-dick is bigger" contest.

 

what he said.
sidenote: i got the biggest e-dick

 

the Saturn never had to hit the ditch... he could have slowed down to a stop. the rx7 could have still paced him to a stop and beat the **** out of him(would have made you feel better) and im sure all of us have seen or had this happen. you go to pass some1 you dont think you will make it so you slow down. they dont think you i will make it they slow down...now your stuck caz you are paacing each other altho both of you didint mean for it to happen. if you are going to do something dumb like try to race some1 on the sholder you have to know that this could happen.... if the Saturn driver didint think he has a HONDA(lol) and started to slow down b4 the last min then it would have never happend...

if you do something dumb know you can get fuct up..

+++1 for the OP good driving

all blame is on the Saturn driver...the OP may have not done the right thing but in court he would not be to blame