turbogarrett

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Yes sir, bone stock w/ about 10k on the clock back in '00. Stock tires and everything. It belonged to a good friend of mine, we took it to the track many times, basically beat the living crap out out of it. On average it ran between 14.8-14.4's , but I did hit a 14.17something on one occasion. I remember that day being fairly cold and a lot of VHT was sprayed, so that couldn't have hurt.

He then added a few mods(exhaust, intake, mbc) and it did not help the et much because of the increased wheelspin, but consistantly ran low 14's @ ~102. Then with about 16k on the car, it started showing signs of crankwalk and he ended up selling it.

Maybe it was a factory freak? I have seen 2g fwd's with 16g turbos run slower. All I know is that is what it ran. I have owned awd dsm's for 5+ years now and am not pulling these numbers out of my ***.

MazdaSpeed93

Hmm, obvisiously it is. Did you read the thread? lol.

EdwardNorth

Whatever you say man, but I'd have to see it for myself to believe it. Sorry.

Outkast

FDs assrape GS-Ts

GS-T FD

<--- Eclipse

Ceipherz

I had a 95 GS-T...car was pretty quick, I would say 14.2-14.3 (Those #'s coming from a Gtech Pro). Only mods were an Apexi Intake and a 1g BOV....But I know for a fact that my FD will completly destroy that car....

Outkast

My RX8 AT ran 16.2 on the G-tech Pro.
At the track ---> 16.8-17.3

rotorsownyou7

DSM at 20 Psi might be quick with that spike. Dead even with a stock 7. I'll give it to him. But I would still check the boost. If you don't feel the second turbo kick in, something is wrong.

MazdaSpeed93

That's pretty much what it is.. dead even. But I always get the jump because my tiny turbo spools as quick as Outkast blows his load --> Very fast.

And by dead even, I mean he's like a car back staying with me the whole time, but not gaining.

rotorsownyou7

I am supposed to hit up a 290 whp GST tonight, we will see what goes down I am bringing the camera, I am going to run him on stock boost!

MazdaSpeed93

Stock boost on a hardly stock car. Not quite the same thing, Cheif.

bradd15

Whatever you meant by that??? Anyway, come to socal with your GST and i will be more than happy to put my stock airbox back on and we can race to solve this issue. But until then fix your fd and the GST will not be an issue. Just my 2cents.

MazdaSpeed93

I meant as of what races we've done, my car has been "fd fast." Whether something is wrong with his car, we don't know yet.

Well... we all like videos . Where's it at?

eriksseven

iTrader: (6)

^ I second the video motion...

DSM's are fast, but IMO slightly ghetto. The newer GS-T's and GSX's are pretty cool/agressive from the front, but from the rear are pretty "chick-ish". I don't know (much less care about the whole DSM vs. FD arguement). I have a good friend with a 1992 Talon TSI that is SUPER capable and will be VERY fast here shortly. I love the way it sounds and how fast it is, but it's really not my style... It has that 'trendy' 90's cheap, plastic feel, not timeless interior/exterior design. Personally I think that a properly done FC (and of course the FD) have the clean, timeless design that can't be touched by other 90's sports cars.

Also, after driving it I wasn't impressed. Felt like crap.

Outkast

Hmm, I wasn't really serious in comparing the cars. I think it is a waste of time. RX7s (all years) are in the Corvette, Cobra and NSX catergory, far from hondas and eclipses.
GS-Ts look like a cheap toy

Outkast

MazdaSpeed93

Are you forgetting about AWD? There are plenty capable to hang with any of them, drag and track. Hell, there's FWD's in the 10's, maybe faster but I don't keep up with times. Run what ya brung. You guys do know that there are non-turbo DSM's right? lol Look the same but are no where near the same, they have Chrysler engines. Some have turbo kits but are limited to around 7psi unless they build the blocks. GST's and GSX's blocks can handle ~450hp with no modifications what so ever.

I'm not trying to compare cars because they are completely different, but you just pass them off as if they're not capable of anything. But, whatever.

As for the looks, all a matter of opinion I guess. I think they look perfect with a drop and some rims.

rotorsownyou7

He wouldn't do it, he said he couldn't get traction, but I do have some videos if anyone wants to host them, but I wasn't in my car.

Outkast

GS-Xs, I like. There is also a 7-8 second GS-t that has been converted to RWD. It is a white drag car, I see it all the time. I just think that FWD is very limited, and inefficient, no matter what a sponsored $100,000 car can do in the 1/4 mile. Personally, I think Eclipses contributed greatly to ricer style and most of them out there are 95-130 hp RS-GS models with cut springs and neon windshield washer nozzles. The body style was very popular though and they can look clean (like the one above).

EdwardNorth

LMAO! I'll see your busted-up ripped-apart Eclipse and raise you my pristine like-brand-new Talon:











You'll find no neon wipers or cut springs here...

The 2G Eclipse is a nice looking car, but I do prefer the looks of the Talon. I don't think the ***-end (or any other view) of my Talon is "girly" in any way, shape, or form.


Good to see this thread getting a little friendlier though. It's hard for me to reply to threads like this as both an FD and DSM owner & enthusiast.... Definately get those vids up though if you can.


Oh BTW - MazdaSpeed93 - I got those injectors and AFC-II installed yesterday. As soon as my logger comes in the mail it'll be time to start tuning. For now everything runs smoothly at -25% LO and -16% HI on those 650's.

Outkast

Sweet...... I like the 1st pic, the FD seems like it's saying : this is my bitch, I just finished before you opened the garage door. LOL
Nice cars man

dbragg

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i used to be a very big hater of eclipses and thought they were just girls cars, but a little time ago i changed my ways. i think the eclipse mazdaspeed23 posted is sexy as hell. that body style looks soo good lowered with decent wheels. as far as performance goes, DSMs are capable of making lots of power. a stock GST or GSX cant take a stock FD, but the eclipses are still good sports cars. i agree there are A LOT of annoying *** ricers out there with eclipses, but i have also seen the same people in rx7s. my friend just got a GSX which is pushing 17-20 pounds of boost and i want to get him to race that GST that ran a 13.7, but he cant drive and has totaled 3 civic si already. all in all, the eclipse GST and GSX(and the talons too) can be great sports cars and can DEFINATELY hang with, or blow the doors off of, an FD. it all depends on mods and driver. stock though, the DSMs just cant match up.


i still like rx7s much much more though

NOPR

ewww that giant bump in the hood has always bothered me. looks like ****.

MazdaSpeed93

Update: I just got done racing my friends eclipse again and i beat him. When i raced him before i had this kid in the car with me. I have a 93, forgot if i said that already or not. We went from a 40 roll 2 times, First time i honk three times and we take off, he jumps like half a car and then i shift into 3rd and go right on by, he missed 4th so we let off. Second time we got from a 40 roll and he honks 3 times we take off and same thing he jumps half a car and then in 3rd i pull and shut down at 130, i was about 1 1/2 cars ahead, he didnt miss a gear so that was a fair race.

I dont understand why he was beating me before, he would always jump on me and then it would stay the same but for some reason i pulled pretty good on him.

takumi4G63

That's because you forgot the most important mod - getting rid of the POS T-25 turbo. A 1st gen. DSM with those mods would walk a stock FD. People (very few, that is) have run high 11's on the stock turbo.

Stock for stock the FD will walk it but modded don't underestimate either car. Whoever has that 2G tell him to not do any more mods until he gets a real turbo - preferably something 20G or larger =).

88t2romad

whats the bump on the hood for anyways?