how many hp to kill new Z06????
03-04-07, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by turbodrx7
Man, someone is getting a little worked up here. Chill out now buddy, i wouldnt want you to have a heart attack or something.
Age should not have been brought into this. It is really irrelevant how old you are or I am. I mean as you can tell from your post, you are very immature and ignorant at what age, 45?
I never told you what would happen or claimed to be some FD genius. All i did was gave my opinion of the outcome based on what i have seen these cars do personally with my own two eyes. But who knows, maybe my eyes are "too young" to see right still, have to wait till they break in.
Because you get offended that there is another veiw on this question than your own is not my problem. And just because you add another 43 whp and drop the temp, i dont think it is going to bring the cars trap speed up 8-10 mph.
But what would i know, im just a kid.
-Austin
Age should not have been brought into this. It is really irrelevant how old you are or I am. I mean as you can tell from your post, you are very immature and ignorant at what age, 45?
I never told you what would happen or claimed to be some FD genius. All i did was gave my opinion of the outcome based on what i have seen these cars do personally with my own two eyes. But who knows, maybe my eyes are "too young" to see right still, have to wait till they break in.
Because you get offended that there is another veiw on this question than your own is not my problem. And just because you add another 43 whp and drop the temp, i dont think it is going to bring the cars trap speed up 8-10 mph.
But what would i know, im just a kid.
-Austin
Why did you ignore the fact there are 10 second time slips and 125 plus trap times I pointed out on stock twin FD's?
03-04-07, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by rx8rider
What about torque? Doesn't that play into the equation too. Why does everyboby seem to place all the emphasis on HP and not torque?
03-04-07, 01:13 PM
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just to add more fuel to the fire. 
I ran a C6 Z06 in the road course (both he and I are instructors). on the straight away, we were dead even but coming out of a turn, he would inch out on me a little. Giving I was running 10psi of boost (wastegate spring). I would expect him to pull me out of a corner (there's nothing better than torque) but once you get it going, hp comes into play. I followed him for two laps before I decided to leave him since he was slowing me down going into turns.
FYI: I was running Hoosier R3S04, 285/30/18 front and 335/30/18 rear. My car is track prep and weights in 2300-2400lbs so Power to weight ratio does come into play.
Here's a pic of my track car.
and a video of my car racing against a 430rwhp rx7. (my motor already had a crack seal before the race so I blew it up more that day. )
http://www.forcedinduction.net/video..._openhouse.MPG
I ran a C6 Z06 in the road course (both he and I are instructors). on the straight away, we were dead even but coming out of a turn, he would inch out on me a little. Giving I was running 10psi of boost (wastegate spring). I would expect him to pull me out of a corner (there's nothing better than torque) but once you get it going, hp comes into play. I followed him for two laps before I decided to leave him since he was slowing me down going into turns.FYI: I was running Hoosier R3S04, 285/30/18 front and 335/30/18 rear. My car is track prep and weights in 2300-2400lbs so Power to weight ratio does come into play.
Here's a pic of my track car.
and a video of my car racing against a 430rwhp rx7. (my motor already had a crack seal before the race so I blew it up more that day.
)http://www.forcedinduction.net/video..._openhouse.MPG
03-04-07, 01:43 PM
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I have more pics of my track car here before the CCW wheels. The wheels are 18x10 and 18x12
http://www.gothamracing.com/pics/trackcar/
http://www.gothamracing.com/pics/trackcar/
03-04-07, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotary Noob
Okay, I was going to stay the hell out of this one...but Yellow R1, you sound like you should be shitting in those diapers right now, or wait... Did you get some of the grown up ones, so you could act your age?
Dont bring age into this, that was a childish low blow, that was completely un called for. Ive seen 40 year olds that dont know a tie rod from a torsion bar. Then, on the flip side, ive seen 18 year olds cut coils on their suspension so it "rides better".
Stupid knows no age friend, 18-80, no limits.
Okay, now yes. The stock C6 Z06 has around 450 RWHP, and 3130 some odd curb weight. So a 2600lb RX7 is only going to need around 400hp to keep up, if you omit torque and gearing. The RX7 had 4.1 (correct me if im wrong, but at least the FC does...) in the rear end. It also has some pretty high ratios in the tranny. Putting those together, you have some really good accel, but how about top end?
The vette on the other hand, has somewhere near 3.42 in the rear, with probably about 100ft lbs more torque than an FD. Its ratios are lower, to use this torque, and itll still rip the tires loose from the pavement. Thats with 325/30 19's. I am going to take a WAG, and say you probably have at the most 275's on your FD. If that. Riddle me this bat man, how do you manage to keep traction with less tire on the ground than that, with less weight? Dont try to say weight balance, because the Z06 is about 52/48, and your 7 is 50.1/49.9 or around there.
Im not saying that you cant possibly do what youre saying you have done/can do. But you are coming off like a jack ***, and you should be a little more...whats the word...wise, in your ways.
As for the 3 pulls you said you did on that Z06, Im not going to bag on you, or try to rip you for it. I wasnt there. Im a little skeptical, but then could have been driver error, If the driver was good he was on the bottom of the powerband in 2nd when you started the roll. If the driver was bad, he was below the power band in 3rd, and would have had to pull through.
You seem to have a hatred for some of these cars, like the Z06, though im not sure why. Yeah, you buy it, its good out of the box, go play and have fun. Costs more money (maybe) than what youve put into your RX7, and is now slower than said RX7. However, will your RX7 go 198 mph, or handle 1.2g's on a skid pad?
Stock for stock its the best thing you can get, hands down.
Not to mention that putting more power to it is fairly easy, its still a pushrod engine. Forged internals with H beam rods, larger ported intake and heads, under drive pulleys, higher pressure fuel injectors, fidanza 30lb flywheel, stage 4 clutch, Walbro fuel pump, and a full borla exhaust system with X pipe, with a final touch of a PCM reprogammer (and about 10k later...) youve got about 600-650hp, on a redline of 7k, in a pushrod V8. Nothing to laugh at. Not to mention that itll sound freakin awesome.
Oh, and in case you wanted to try and fight the age battle again, I'm 19.
Dont bring age into this, that was a childish low blow, that was completely un called for. Ive seen 40 year olds that dont know a tie rod from a torsion bar. Then, on the flip side, ive seen 18 year olds cut coils on their suspension so it "rides better".
Stupid knows no age friend, 18-80, no limits.
Okay, now yes. The stock C6 Z06 has around 450 RWHP, and 3130 some odd curb weight. So a 2600lb RX7 is only going to need around 400hp to keep up, if you omit torque and gearing. The RX7 had 4.1 (correct me if im wrong, but at least the FC does...) in the rear end. It also has some pretty high ratios in the tranny. Putting those together, you have some really good accel, but how about top end?
The vette on the other hand, has somewhere near 3.42 in the rear, with probably about 100ft lbs more torque than an FD. Its ratios are lower, to use this torque, and itll still rip the tires loose from the pavement. Thats with 325/30 19's. I am going to take a WAG, and say you probably have at the most 275's on your FD. If that. Riddle me this bat man, how do you manage to keep traction with less tire on the ground than that, with less weight? Dont try to say weight balance, because the Z06 is about 52/48, and your 7 is 50.1/49.9 or around there.
Im not saying that you cant possibly do what youre saying you have done/can do. But you are coming off like a jack ***, and you should be a little more...whats the word...wise, in your ways.
As for the 3 pulls you said you did on that Z06, Im not going to bag on you, or try to rip you for it. I wasnt there. Im a little skeptical, but then could have been driver error, If the driver was good he was on the bottom of the powerband in 2nd when you started the roll. If the driver was bad, he was below the power band in 3rd, and would have had to pull through.
You seem to have a hatred for some of these cars, like the Z06, though im not sure why. Yeah, you buy it, its good out of the box, go play and have fun. Costs more money (maybe) than what youve put into your RX7, and is now slower than said RX7. However, will your RX7 go 198 mph, or handle 1.2g's on a skid pad?
Stock for stock its the best thing you can get, hands down.
Not to mention that putting more power to it is fairly easy, its still a pushrod engine. Forged internals with H beam rods, larger ported intake and heads, under drive pulleys, higher pressure fuel injectors, fidanza 30lb flywheel, stage 4 clutch, Walbro fuel pump, and a full borla exhaust system with X pipe, with a final touch of a PCM reprogammer (and about 10k later...) youve got about 600-650hp, on a redline of 7k, in a pushrod V8. Nothing to laugh at. Not to mention that itll sound freakin awesome.
Oh, and in case you wanted to try and fight the age battle again, I'm 19.
#1: "turboedrx7" said, "I was taliking out my azz". Well, ya know what? If someone runs their trap (out of ignorance no less) & calls someone else a liar, they are going to get a less than cordial response right back. If you don't like it, too bad Jr.
#2: You didn't read the conditions of the ZO6 pull (from 70 to 130 mph). Here's a hot tip, TRACTION isn't much of an issue from a rolling 70- 80 mph roll on. Another 19 yr old "expert" making comments before READING.
#3: Power under the curve? Are you THAT ignorant? I'm running stock twins so I'd say my "powerband" from about 4,500 to 8,000 RPM is pretty wide compared to a 427 V8.
#4: I "hate" ZO6s? Yet another moronic comment. No, I like all sports cars & frankly, I'm not going to go buy a ZO6 when my FD is more rare, is just as fast or faster, handles just as well or better, and I like the FD's smaller dimesions (and yes, my FD is highly modified...brakes, suspension, etc....I track it @ Seca on occasion so its a virtual race car which is also driven as a DD - it still has a full interior, A/C, sterio, etc).
#5: I spend time on the CF so save us all the 2 cent mechanical insight into an LS7 mod diatribe. I'm very familiar with the C6 Z. And no, I don't drive my RX-7 198 mph (not even on Seca's front straight before turn 1) & have much use for anything above 160 mph (on a racetrack nonetheless).
Steve, I saw your video (hmm, power-to-weight DO matter...go figure
). Sorry about your motor pal ;( .-Matt
03-04-07, 02:31 PM
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that video is about a year old. my car now equip with a slightly ported engine so everything is good now.
Originally Posted by Yellow R1
Yep, you are 19.
#1: "turboedrx7" said, "I was taliking out my azz". Well, ya know what? If someone runs their trap (out of ignorance no less) & calls someone else a liar, they are going to get a less than cordial response right back. If you don't like it, too bad Jr.
#2: You didn't read the conditions of the ZO6 pull (from 70 to 130 mph). Here's a hot tip, TRACTION isn't much of an issue from a rolling 70- 80 mph roll on. Another 19 yr old "expert" making comments before READING.
#3: Power under the curve? Are you THAT ignorant? I'm running stock twins so I'd say my "powerband" from about 4,500 to 8,000 RPM is pretty wide compared to a 427 V8.
#4: I "hate" ZO6s? Yet another moronic comment. No, I like all sports cars & frankly, I'm not going to go buy a ZO6 when my FD is more rare, is just as fast or faster, handles just as well or better, and I like the FD's smaller dimesions (and yes, my FD is highly modified...brakes, suspension, etc....I track it @ Seca on occasion so its a virtual race car which is also driven as a DD - it still has a full interior, A/C, sterio, etc).
#5: I spend time on the CF so save us all the 2 cent mechanical insight into an LS7 mod diatribe. I'm very familiar with the C6 Z. And no, I don't drive my RX-7 198 mph (not even on Seca's front straight before turn 1) & have much use for anything above 160 mph (on a racetrack nonetheless).
Steve, I saw your video (hmm, power-to-weight DO matter...go figure ). Sorry about your motor pal ;( .
-Matt
#1: "turboedrx7" said, "I was taliking out my azz". Well, ya know what? If someone runs their trap (out of ignorance no less) & calls someone else a liar, they are going to get a less than cordial response right back. If you don't like it, too bad Jr.
#2: You didn't read the conditions of the ZO6 pull (from 70 to 130 mph). Here's a hot tip, TRACTION isn't much of an issue from a rolling 70- 80 mph roll on. Another 19 yr old "expert" making comments before READING.
#3: Power under the curve? Are you THAT ignorant? I'm running stock twins so I'd say my "powerband" from about 4,500 to 8,000 RPM is pretty wide compared to a 427 V8.
#4: I "hate" ZO6s? Yet another moronic comment. No, I like all sports cars & frankly, I'm not going to go buy a ZO6 when my FD is more rare, is just as fast or faster, handles just as well or better, and I like the FD's smaller dimesions (and yes, my FD is highly modified...brakes, suspension, etc....I track it @ Seca on occasion so its a virtual race car which is also driven as a DD - it still has a full interior, A/C, sterio, etc).
#5: I spend time on the CF so save us all the 2 cent mechanical insight into an LS7 mod diatribe. I'm very familiar with the C6 Z. And no, I don't drive my RX-7 198 mph (not even on Seca's front straight before turn 1) & have much use for anything above 160 mph (on a racetrack nonetheless).
Steve, I saw your video (hmm, power-to-weight DO matter...go figure
). Sorry about your motor pal ;( .-Matt
03-04-07, 02:37 PM
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He's ignorant and immature because he's actually raced Z06's and actually beat them but you haven't, at age 19 know better?
Why did you ignore the fact there are 10 second time slips and 125 plus trap times I pointed out on stock twin FD's?
Why did you ignore the fact there are 10 second time slips and 125 plus trap times I pointed out on stock twin FD's?
I hang out with a group of guys on the weekends over the summer that have single turbo supras, vette z06's(c5 and c6), vipers, and other assorted turbo cars. All we really do is mess around on the highway, so i have had plenty of time to observe what these cars can do not only against my FD but against a good amount of other cars. I am not basing my opinion on nothing here.
-Austin
03-04-07, 02:43 PM
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ignored the time slips you pointed out? The only time slip i saw posted in this thread was one for an 11.4 pass at 120 mph, which is good pass for a stock twin car. I would like to know the power on this car since that is what this threads arguement is based on. A 10 second pass on a stock twin FD would take a very good driver as well.
-Austin
-Austin
03-04-07, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by turbodrx7
He is ignorant and immature for the way that he is argueing and turning it into a personal battle when it is not that at all.
No he's neither but on the other hand...
Originally Posted by turbodrx7
about 500 whp. Stock the new z06's trap high 120's(almost 130) and run low 11's.
-Austin
-Austin
Originally Posted by turbodrx7
Lol, man your car must be a crazy fast super mazda rx7 or something. Personally, i think you are talking out of your ***. My car has been dyno tuned, i know what power my car makes.
-Austin
-Austin
Originally Posted by turbodrx7
I hang out with a group of guys on the weekends over the summer that have single turbo supras, vette z06's(c5 and c6), vipers, and other assorted turbo cars. All we really do is mess around on the highway, so i have had plenty of time to observe what these cars can do not only against my FD but against a good amount of other cars. I am not basing my opinion on nothing here.
-Austin
-Austin
03-04-07, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by turbodrx7
ignored the time slips you pointed out? The only time slip i saw posted in this thread was one for an 11.4 pass at 120 mph, which is good pass for a stock twin car. I would like to know the power on this car since that is what this threads arguement is based on. A 10 second pass on a stock twin FD would take a very good driver as well.
-Austin
-Austin
The guy that trapped high 10's in the stock Z06 is named Ranger. He has over 600 runs and uses mathamatics based on hp/torque curves, shifting points and runs when the temptaures are optimum, he has it down to a science. Give him any car and he will run fantastic times.
03-04-07, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by turbodrx7
And for what reason are his experiences more credible than mine, just becuase he is your friend?
-Austin
-Austin
03-04-07, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Madee
Just a quick question. If the new Z06 has 505 bhp stock how does it have 450rwhp? That's 11% drivechain loss. I'd like to know how that is achieved.
03-04-07, 05:30 PM
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I dont understand what is so unbelieveable about an rx7 with 400rwhp beating zo6s?? Its ******* possible, infact unless the guy is a horrible driver is the only way to loose to one @ that level. Look around, see how many 10sec passes on or around the 400hp level people have made. I have to agree, the zo6 is a great performance car out of the box, and i dont even like domestics, but its not unbeatable and its not god amongst cars..
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#3: Power under the curve? Are you THAT ignorant? I'm running stock twins so I'd say my "powerband" from about 4,500 to 8,000 RPM is pretty wide compared to a 427 V8.
2. Steve said himself, the Z would inch him out of a courner........THEN they would be even. I guess that torque advantage is irrelevant because it didn't happen durring your races huh?
You said you were racing from a roll. What does a 10 second timeslip have to do with a roll race? Yes the FD has gone under 11s on 400hp with stock twins at 125mph. With slicks. What will a STOCK c6 Z06 With slicks ET huh? better yet since YOUR race was from a roll what will the C6 trap?
BTW what kinda power to weight ratio do you have on your track car Steve. (on 10psi wg spring)
03-04-07, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ProjectD
1. Are YOU THAT conceded to think everything in the racing world revolves around your own personal races? I never once doubted your kill nor did i bash you for it. I simply stated that power: weight is not the ONLY factor in every race. Before you start calling people ignorant, take a second to read what they are saying.
2. Steve said himself, the Z would inch him out of a courner........THEN they would be even. I guess that torque advantage is irrelevant because it didn't happen durring your races huh?
You said you were racing from a roll. What does a 10 second timeslip have to do with a roll race? Yes the FD has gone under 11s on 400hp with stock twins at 125mph. With slicks. What will a STOCK c6 Z06 With slicks ET huh? better yet since YOUR race was from a roll what will the C6 trap?
BTW what kinda power to weight ratio do you have on your track car Steve. (on 10psi wg spring)
2. Steve said himself, the Z would inch him out of a courner........THEN they would be even. I guess that torque advantage is irrelevant because it didn't happen durring your races huh?
You said you were racing from a roll. What does a 10 second timeslip have to do with a roll race? Yes the FD has gone under 11s on 400hp with stock twins at 125mph. With slicks. What will a STOCK c6 Z06 With slicks ET huh? better yet since YOUR race was from a roll what will the C6 trap?
BTW what kinda power to weight ratio do you have on your track car Steve. (on 10psi wg spring)
Im sorry but I've seen 400whp rx7's run less than 11's on DR's.. Yes, our cars dont come equiped with 11 or 12" rubber that the z06 comes with...
03-04-07, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ProjectD
1. Are YOU THAT conceded to think everything in the racing world revolves around your own personal races? I never once doubted your kill nor did i bash you for it. I simply stated that power: weight is not the ONLY factor in every race. Before you start calling people ignorant, take a second to read what they are saying.
Originally Posted by ProjectD
2. Steve said himself, the Z would inch him out of a courner........THEN they would be even. I guess that torque advantage is irrelevant because it didn't happen durring your races huh?
Originally Posted by ProjectD
You said you were racing from a roll. What does a 10 second timeslip have to do with a roll race? Yes the FD has gone under 11s on 400hp with stock twins at 125mph. With slicks.
Originally Posted by ProjectD
What will a STOCK c6 Z06 With slicks ET huh? better yet since YOUR race was from a roll what will the C6 trap?
03-04-07, 09:23 PM
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Well, the other posters are intelligent!...... I though I was locked in a high school parking lot about a page back or so.
I agree with the points some of you you guys noted as well:
A) Torque wasn't much of a factor on my pulls (ie it was a straight line)
B) Power to weight DOES matter on a roll
C) ZO6s are kick azz cars off the lot, but hardly unbeatable by 400 rwhp FD
D) Stock Z's are trapping ~ 122 - 124 mph as Mr. TT stated
Last point. It was a close couple of runs. Pulling someone by 2 cars from 70 - 130mph is hardly a thrashing. It was pretty darn tight in my opinion.
-Matt
I agree with the points some of you you guys noted as well:
A) Torque wasn't much of a factor on my pulls (ie it was a straight line)
B) Power to weight DOES matter on a roll
C) ZO6s are kick azz cars off the lot, but hardly unbeatable by 400 rwhp FD
D) Stock Z's are trapping ~ 122 - 124 mph as Mr. TT stated
Last point. It was a close couple of runs. Pulling someone by 2 cars from 70 - 130mph is hardly a thrashing. It was pretty darn tight in my opinion.
-Matt
03-04-07, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr rx-7 tt
There are others who have also run Z06's with similar results. I'd saying running one multiple times is a pretty good indication of how they run..
Originally Posted by Mr rx-7 tt
Funny I don't recall the races coming out of any corners? ..
Originally Posted by Mr rx-7 tt
Wrong, without slicks. They weren't on slicks...
Originally Posted by Mr rx-7 tt
Most trap 122-124. Ranger and a couple others have gone faster but again Ranger has hundreds of passes on C5 and C6 Z06's. He is a drag racing computer.
MARTIN: I'm not saying a 400hp FD won't beat a Z06, just saying the argument the power to weight ratio will win out on every race.
I'm not trying to hate on RX7s hell I own an FD with almost 420hp. And I have raced my share of quick cars.
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edit for typos....^MARTIN: I'm not saying a 400hp FD won't beat a Z06, just saying the argument that power to weight ratio will win out on every race is silly. .............edit for typos^^