FD vs. VR4
11-02-05, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by eriksseven
Hmm... Tell me then, why were they both shifting? LOL
Granted, both shifted somewhat n00bish, but what do you expect? Not everyone works on their technique...
Stealth R/T and VR4 typically mean Twin Turbo... Correct? Not to mention the sound of a turbo spooling/boosting RIGHT NEXT TO YOU is unmistakable...
How do I flatter myself when I merely state the truth...? I don't know why YOU would care that a 3800lb. twin-turbo boat got walked by a lightly modd'd, 2800lb Turbo Rx7.
Granted, both shifted somewhat n00bish, but what do you expect? Not everyone works on their technique...
Stealth R/T and VR4 typically mean Twin Turbo... Correct? Not to mention the sound of a turbo spooling/boosting RIGHT NEXT TO YOU is unmistakable...
How do I flatter myself when I merely state the truth...? I don't know why YOU would care that a 3800lb. twin-turbo boat got walked by a lightly modd'd, 2800lb Turbo Rx7.
You sir, are a moron. I GUARANTEE you raced an N/A. Most people run into the base models and are quick to yell "VR4!" I dont care what you have to say that you heard a turbo bla bla, your model RX7 will need EXTENSIVE work to be able to even HANG with a VR4. A VR4 puts down more to the WHEELS (where it counts, cuz you probably didnt know) then your car does at the FLY. BPU VR's are doing over 300awhp - thats ALL WHEEL HP(deadly from a stop esp.), so yes, good kill on the N/A. I own an FD for gods sakes, so dont accuse me of bias, but lets get our facts str8t. Good day.
11-03-05, 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by MaG18
^ i dont believe it either cause stock it'd still be putting more hp to the ground than you were making @ the fly.
either way if thats your car in your av i like it, looks clean
either way if thats your car in your av i like it, looks clean
If my car were putting approx. 220 to the wheels and the VR's are putting 280+ to the wheels, stock. How is it so hard to imagine that my car being 60hp less and ONE THOUSAND POUNDS LIGHTER beat both the newer style VR4 and Stealth R/T in a race?
I'm not here to "debate" FACTS, as I can only tell you what happened.
Thanks for the compliment BTW, the car in my avatar is mine
...The very car that walked the Stealth from a light and the 3GT VR4 out of second...
:edit: the kill on the STEALTH was from a stop and the VR4 was from a roll. I had the two kills mixed up
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11-03-05, 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by VR4Power
You sir, are a moron.
Originally Posted by VR4Power
I GUARANTEE you raced an N/A.
Originally Posted by VR4Power
Most people run into the base models and are quick to yell "VR4!"
Tell me, don't base model 3GT's run 15 second quarter-mile times with a professional driver?
So, eliminate the AWD launch and put a n00b behind the wheel and an even WORSE time is sure to result... My TII had full exhaust, high-compression rotors, street-porting and the associated fuel mods, running 12psi when these races took place... This is proven to be an easy, mid/high 13 second car.
Although I've never raced an N/A 3GT or Stealth, I can honestly say that it would be pure embarassment on their part.
Originally Posted by VR4Power
I dont care what you have to say that you heard a turbo bla bla,
Originally Posted by VR4Power
your model RX7 will need EXTENSIVE work to be able to even HANG with a VR4.
Originally Posted by VR4Power
A VR4 puts down more to the WHEELS (where it counts, cuz you probably didnt know) then your car does at the FLY.
Originally Posted by VR4Power
BPU VR's are doing over 300awhp - thats ALL WHEEL HP(deadly from a stop esp.),
Originally Posted by VR4Power
Oh I own an FD for gods sakes, so dont accuse me of bias, but lets get our facts str8t. Good day.
, just remaining purposefully ignorant Anyways, here's the kill story of the Stealth R/T right after it happened... You can determine if it sounds like I'm "lying".
Originally Posted by eriksseven
TII vs. Stealth R/T twin turbo (victory is mine)
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So I'm cruising on Hw. 99 up here in Seattle, when I spot a dark, kind of 'Montego bluish', newer style Dodge Stealth R/T. I was about to turn off, but quickly changed my mind as soon as I saw this guy merge onto 99 in front of me.
So I hopped into the other lane and accelerated up to where he was cruising. Since I was going WOT in 3rd, as I reached his window I firmly applied my brakes and matched his speed exactly, to "make my presence known". I looked over and it was a middle-aged, middle eastern man with blingin' bracelets and hairy arms.
He slowly looked over and eye-balled me expressionlessly, before resuming his attention to the road. Well, the upcoming stop-lights turned yellow and I was forced to line up next to this guy on red (not exactly to my liking, lol).
Most aggressive or, 'non-practicing' drivers have a tendency to inch up over the 'white line' at a stop light. So as I stopped before the line, he (characteristically) went up and over it by a few feet. This was to my advantage, because this way I would appear less threatening and therefore there was a good chance that he wouldn't launch his AWD car on an opponent that he couldn't directly see.
I also had a good chance to think of my strategy without having the added stress of my potential opponent lurking in my peripheral.
I decided that if he were to launch, I would feign indifference and then catch up with him after he had cooled off and then try and provoke a 2nd gear run. I was also waiting for the turn lane light to turn green to see if he would react to the flash of green and betray his motives. Anyways, the turn land light turned green and sure enough he rolled forward about a foot. I slowly inched my right foot off of the brake to get ready for a smooth transition from brake to throttle.
Typically, the 'straight through' lights will turn green as soon as the turn lane light turns red, but the 'straight through' lights unexpectedly turned green for us...
The twin turbo R/T accelerated quickly, but not WOT (perhaps testing me?) and I just slowly rolled into the throttle as I slipped the clutch out. But as soon as I established throttle I went WOT and let the turbo spool as I approached the R/T.
The race was on as soon as my nose got to his mirror. We were both going WOT in 1st gear. We shifted into 2nd and this is when things got interesting. I started pulling past his window as I wrapped it out in 2nd. We both shifted into 3rd gear at the same time, but my shift was quicker and I jumped about a half-a-car on the shift and continued to slowly pull away until the R/T let off in the top/mid of 3rd gear. All in all, I probably beat him by almost two car, YEAH!
Those newer model Stealth R/T's and 3000GT Vr4's are easy mid-13 second cars IIRC. Granted he didn't get the obvious AWD advantage of the launch, I'd say that for a nearly 1/4 mile race, my TII performed pretty impressively.
My mods are:
'88 TII
6k mi. rebuild
9:4:1 N/A rotors
RB street-porting
ported WG
RB FCD
CS 80mm DP/MP bolted to the Apexi GT series cat-cack exhaust
K&N drop-in filter
Greddy type-S BOV
It's cool too, because I have a TO4B hybrid turbo, Apexi S-AFC, Greddy 720cc's and a Walbro 255 coming to my door in a couple days. This is going to be an easy 80 HP gain running 13 psi... WOO HOO!
FMIC, Koyo radiator, B&G performance springs and Tokico Hp struts will also be installed in a couple weeks too.
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So I'm cruising on Hw. 99 up here in Seattle, when I spot a dark, kind of 'Montego bluish', newer style Dodge Stealth R/T. I was about to turn off, but quickly changed my mind as soon as I saw this guy merge onto 99 in front of me.
So I hopped into the other lane and accelerated up to where he was cruising. Since I was going WOT in 3rd, as I reached his window I firmly applied my brakes and matched his speed exactly, to "make my presence known". I looked over and it was a middle-aged, middle eastern man with blingin' bracelets and hairy arms.
He slowly looked over and eye-balled me expressionlessly, before resuming his attention to the road. Well, the upcoming stop-lights turned yellow and I was forced to line up next to this guy on red (not exactly to my liking, lol).
Most aggressive or, 'non-practicing' drivers have a tendency to inch up over the 'white line' at a stop light. So as I stopped before the line, he (characteristically) went up and over it by a few feet. This was to my advantage, because this way I would appear less threatening and therefore there was a good chance that he wouldn't launch his AWD car on an opponent that he couldn't directly see.
I also had a good chance to think of my strategy without having the added stress of my potential opponent lurking in my peripheral.
I decided that if he were to launch, I would feign indifference and then catch up with him after he had cooled off and then try and provoke a 2nd gear run. I was also waiting for the turn lane light to turn green to see if he would react to the flash of green and betray his motives. Anyways, the turn land light turned green and sure enough he rolled forward about a foot. I slowly inched my right foot off of the brake to get ready for a smooth transition from brake to throttle.
Typically, the 'straight through' lights will turn green as soon as the turn lane light turns red, but the 'straight through' lights unexpectedly turned green for us...
The twin turbo R/T accelerated quickly, but not WOT (perhaps testing me?) and I just slowly rolled into the throttle as I slipped the clutch out. But as soon as I established throttle I went WOT and let the turbo spool as I approached the R/T.
The race was on as soon as my nose got to his mirror. We were both going WOT in 1st gear. We shifted into 2nd and this is when things got interesting. I started pulling past his window as I wrapped it out in 2nd. We both shifted into 3rd gear at the same time, but my shift was quicker and I jumped about a half-a-car on the shift and continued to slowly pull away until the R/T let off in the top/mid of 3rd gear. All in all, I probably beat him by almost two car, YEAH!
Those newer model Stealth R/T's and 3000GT Vr4's are easy mid-13 second cars IIRC. Granted he didn't get the obvious AWD advantage of the launch, I'd say that for a nearly 1/4 mile race, my TII performed pretty impressively.
My mods are:
'88 TII
6k mi. rebuild
9:4:1 N/A rotors
RB street-porting
ported WG
RB FCD
CS 80mm DP/MP bolted to the Apexi GT series cat-cack exhaust
K&N drop-in filter
Greddy type-S BOV
It's cool too, because I have a TO4B hybrid turbo, Apexi S-AFC, Greddy 720cc's and a Walbro 255 coming to my door in a couple days. This is going to be an easy 80 HP gain running 13 psi... WOO HOO!
FMIC, Koyo radiator, B&G performance springs and Tokico Hp struts will also be installed in a couple weeks too.
11-03-05, 03:54 AM
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AWD's advantages at launch becomes it's ultimate short-coming during rolling start races.
why do i believe this to be true?
think of it this way...
AWD cars have added weight (in comparison to cars that are similar exterior dimensions) and not only do they have more weight because of the AWD system, they also suffer from higher drivetrain losses.
so not only do they put less power to the ground than a 2WD car with equivalent power @ flywheel, but they also have to lug around more weight.
so with that being said...i dont know why it's so hard for some of you to believe that an FC can't beat a VR4. especially when the VR4 comes with a 1000lb disadvantage. the weight difference more than makes up for the FC's lower power output.
so my money would be on the FC winning the race.
and as for the original thread starter...
...good kill, althought it doesn't surprise me at all.
why do i believe this to be true?
think of it this way...
AWD cars have added weight (in comparison to cars that are similar exterior dimensions) and not only do they have more weight because of the AWD system, they also suffer from higher drivetrain losses.
so not only do they put less power to the ground than a 2WD car with equivalent power @ flywheel, but they also have to lug around more weight.
so with that being said...i dont know why it's so hard for some of you to believe that an FC can't beat a VR4. especially when the VR4 comes with a 1000lb disadvantage. the weight difference more than makes up for the FC's lower power output.
so my money would be on the FC winning the race.
and as for the original thread starter...
...good kill, althought it doesn't surprise me at all.
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11-03-05, 01:28 PM
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There are ALOT of Stealth R/T's that are just DOHC and not Boosted. So it is a posability that you raced an N/a Stealth.
Heres the rundown on the models.
Stealth:
91-93
SOHC Base: has 3k tails
DOHS ES: Looks the same as the previous but has a different engine (obviously).
DOHC R/T: Different Pop ups, sideskits, front and rear bumper w/ Stealth Tails
DOHC R/T TT: Same as above but more options and Turbo charged
94-96
Im pretty sure that all of them besides the base looked like the TT. in 95 there was also an added model called the R/T luxury, it had all the bells and whistles that the TT has.
I hope that maybe clears up a little bit of the confusion and like i said it is possable that you raced an N/A . Not trying to fight or say youe lieing just being informative
Heres the rundown on the models.
Stealth:
91-93
SOHC Base: has 3k tails
DOHS ES: Looks the same as the previous but has a different engine (obviously).
DOHC R/T: Different Pop ups, sideskits, front and rear bumper w/ Stealth Tails
DOHC R/T TT: Same as above but more options and Turbo charged
94-96
Im pretty sure that all of them besides the base looked like the TT. in 95 there was also an added model called the R/T luxury, it had all the bells and whistles that the TT has.
I hope that maybe clears up a little bit of the confusion and like i said it is possable that you raced an N/A . Not trying to fight or say youe lieing just being informative
11-03-05, 01:33 PM
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AWD cars have added weight (in comparison to cars that are similar exterior dimensions) and not only do they have more weight because of the AWD system, they also suffer from higher drivetrain losses.
11-03-05, 04:13 PM
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Wow, a magical FC we have on our hands here.
If youre putting down more power to the wheels, you can throw weight out of the window. A stock VR4 is a mid 13 sec car. Is your FC a mid 13? Ehhhhh - DOUBT IT. BPU VR4's are able to dip into the 12's. Your magical FC? Happy to even break a low 14 with slicks and a great driver. Then take a good look at trap speeds buddy. If all you have on the 3/S's is weight, you have another thing coming. Traps, awhp, and sex appeal win races. Your FC lacks in all depts...
Your Homework? Race a REAL TT 3/S and report back with the results. And an "I beat a stealth!" story will not count.
BTW - from a roll, my stock FD(for now!) gets slowly walked by my bpu 3/S. Why does the fat pig manage to do that? Well, it TRAPS 106, and the stock FD isn't quite there yet. I wont even brag about the results from a stop, because its obvious how ugly the outcome is....Oh, but then again, your magical FC flew off the line with a 1.7 60ft and never looked back right? heh.
< since you liked them so much, I thought I'd throw one right back.
If youre putting down more power to the wheels, you can throw weight out of the window. A stock VR4 is a mid 13 sec car. Is your FC a mid 13? Ehhhhh - DOUBT IT. BPU VR4's are able to dip into the 12's. Your magical FC? Happy to even break a low 14 with slicks and a great driver. Then take a good look at trap speeds buddy. If all you have on the 3/S's is weight, you have another thing coming. Traps, awhp, and sex appeal win races. Your FC lacks in all depts...
Your Homework? Race a REAL TT 3/S and report back with the results. And an "I beat a stealth!" story will not count.
BTW - from a roll, my stock FD(for now!) gets slowly walked by my bpu 3/S. Why does the fat pig manage to do that? Well, it TRAPS 106, and the stock FD isn't quite there yet. I wont even brag about the results from a stop, because its obvious how ugly the outcome is....Oh, but then again, your magical FC flew off the line with a 1.7 60ft and never looked back right? heh.
< since you liked them so much, I thought I'd throw one right back.
11-03-05, 05:49 PM
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I just love when weight comes as a huge issue.....what I like even better is when people think removing their interior totaling 150lb in loss will make them *** loads faster on the street. 
if a lamborghini murcielago totals 3938 lbs does that make it a land yacht also?
weight is really not a huge issue when your in that engine class....save me from taking massive amounts of advil and dont bring up weight again
and at least we can fit more females in our cars
I got 4 in mine yay for me!..think i had a picture of it somewhere....good times
if a lamborghini murcielago totals 3938 lbs does that make it a land yacht also?
weight is really not a huge issue when your in that engine class....save me from taking massive amounts of advil and dont bring up weight again
and at least we can fit more females in our cars
I got 4 in mine yay for me!..think i had a picture of it somewhere....good times
11-03-05, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by VR4Power
Wow, a magical FC we have on our hands here.
Originally Posted by VR4Power
If youre putting down more power to the wheels, you can throw weight out of the window.
Originally Posted by VR4Power
A stock VR4 is a mid 13 sec car. Is your FC a mid 13? Ehhhhh - DOUBT IT.
, therefore, without doing research, you make simple, arrogant and ignorant comments
Originally Posted by VR4Power
BPU VR4's are able to dip into the 12's. Your magical FC? Happy to even break a low 14 with slicks and a great driver.
Sucks, because they 'cleaned' the 2nd gen dyno/timeslip section, but I was still able to get a snippet of proof:
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...5&page=1&pp=15
You'll see that one of the main posters car was an 89 Turboll that ran a 13.38@102.65mph, with a 2.0 60ft on street-tires.
His mods? 3" exhaust turbo back, 12psi, FCD, walbro pump, cone filter...
Originally Posted by VR4Power
Then take a good look at trap speeds buddy. If all you have on the 3/S's is weight, you have another thing coming.
190bhp at 138tq.
0-60 is 5.1 seconds
Quarter-mile is 13.5 @ 102.9
How much do they weigh? 1945lbs...
Originally Posted by VR4Power
Traps, awhp, and sex appeal win races. Your FC lacks in all depts...
. You're right, FC's don't have AWD, but neither do FD's? Do you really consider the fact that Rx7's are RWD to be a limiting factor? Maybe from a launch... But then again, I advocate the truth. I would have no problem assuming that if my car were modded like it was, I would lose to a newer VR4 or Stealth R/T in the quarter-mile,
. From a roll, AWD doesn't do anything... I think my FC is sexy:
Originally Posted by VR4Power
Your Homework? Race a REAL TT 3/S and report back with the results. And an "I beat a stealth!" story will not count.
You own an FD?
Sadly, my car's got a bigger turbo, IC etc. on it now, so a stock TT 3/S or R/T would be more than just a couple car-lengths back.
Originally Posted by VR4Power
BTW - from a roll, my stock FD(for now!) gets slowly walked by my bpu 3/S. Why does the fat pig manage to do that? Well, it TRAPS 106, and the stock FD isn't quite there yet. I wont even brag about the results from a stop, because its obvious how ugly the outcome is....Oh, but then again, your magical FC flew off the line with a 1.7 60ft and never looked back right? heh.
Haha, you must not read my posts (or my kill story?), because I haven't raced either of the cars off the line.
11-03-05, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 95PGTR
ya, VR4's are nice to look at, but too common and way to heavy..
too common....hahaha damn im so in the wrong forum
as it stood in 1995 off the line there were only 32 exact models identical to mine. no telling how many now
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11-03-05, 06:30 PM
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If youre putting down more power to the wheels, you can throw weight out of the window.
A stock VR4 is a mid 13 sec car. Is your FC a mid 13? Ehhhhh - DOUBT IT. BPU VR4's are able to dip into the 12's. Your magical FC? Happy to even break a low 14 with slicks and a great driver.
Traps, awhp, and sex appeal win races. Your FC lacks in all depts...
All the years and models of both the stealth and the 3gt, are the cheapest looking mid 90's plastic fad following attempt at a sports car. And you are trying to say that the FC both lacks in proformance and visual appeal, the FC is a classic design and will be remembered as legit sports car for all time. Why don't you post a pic of your car and we will see how much "sex appeal" it really has.
BTW - from a roll, my stock FD(for now!) gets slowly walked by my bpu 3/S. Why does the fat pig manage to do that?
too common....hahaha damn im so in the wrong forum
as it stood in 1995 there were only 32 exact models identical to mine. no telling how many now
as it stood in 1995 there were only 32 exact models identical to mine. no telling how many now
11-03-05, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ecyrb | SLC
Yea, I mean semi trucks are fast...right, if wieght doesn't matter
If you seriosly think 3/S's look "sexy" you have a much bigger problem on your hands.
Do you really think of the 3/S as some sort of collecter car or something, that sucks.... but I really feel bad for the 32 other people that have a car that looks as heinous as yours.
If you seriosly think 3/S's look "sexy" you have a much bigger problem on your hands.
Do you really think of the 3/S as some sort of collecter car or something, that sucks.... but I really feel bad for the 32 other people that have a car that looks as heinous as yours.
1.http://www.socal3s.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=227 if your semi truck had this under the hood YES WEIGHT DOESENT MATTER!!!!!!!!
if your looking at a little clown car...sure that **** can fly like a coke can on wheels
2.I am a fan of the Rx7/8 to a certain extent you wont ever hear me put it down
Im not like that. ******* is just really not in my character, but seems to flow quite abundantly in yours
so who has the bigger problem now?
3.The 3000GT is not a collectors car! sure it is rare just as an Rx7 97 body style and a supra but those arent collectors either I value my car as it were one in a million . Please dont ever put words in my mouth again.
and 4th im still searching for the definition of "heinous" im hoping you made a typo
The rx7 and 8 are great cars and I truly value them right under my 3/s, hence im here!I have great respect for the owner that has respect for other platforms of cars as well and is not so narrow minded and blinded by a false reality that his car owns everything.
11-03-05, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SpooLin x2
haha
1.http://www.socal3s.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=227 if your semi truck had this under the hood YES WEIGHT DOESENT MATTER!!!!!!!!
if your looking at a little clown car...sure that **** can fly like a coke can on wheels
2.I am a fan of the Rx7/8 to a certain extent you wont ever hear me put it down
Im not like that. ******* is just really not in my character, but seems to flow quite abundantly in yours
so who has the bigger problem now?
3.The 3000GT is not a collectors car! sure it is rare just as an Rx7 97 body style and a supra but those arent collectors either I value my car as it were one in a million . Please dont ever put words in my mouth again.
and 4th im still searching for the definition of "heinous" im hoping you made a typo
The rx7 and 8 are great cars and I truly value them right under my 3/s, hence im here!I have great respect for the owner that has respect for other platforms of cars as well and is not so narrow minded and blinded by a false reality that his car owns everything.
1.http://www.socal3s.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=227 if your semi truck had this under the hood YES WEIGHT DOESENT MATTER!!!!!!!!
if your looking at a little clown car...sure that **** can fly like a coke can on wheels
2.I am a fan of the Rx7/8 to a certain extent you wont ever hear me put it down
Im not like that. ******* is just really not in my character, but seems to flow quite abundantly in yours
so who has the bigger problem now?
3.The 3000GT is not a collectors car! sure it is rare just as an Rx7 97 body style and a supra but those arent collectors either I value my car as it were one in a million . Please dont ever put words in my mouth again.
and 4th im still searching for the definition of "heinous" im hoping you made a typo
The rx7 and 8 are great cars and I truly value them right under my 3/s, hence im here!I have great respect for the owner that has respect for other platforms of cars as well and is not so narrow minded and blinded by a false reality that his car owns everything.
Heinous is--utterly gruesome or shocking, unusually poor quality etc. (not Websters def. though).
If I remember correctly, ecyrb SLC doesn't even own an Rx7. He's the owner of a show-winning Corrado SLC, amongst other European gems, including a VR6 swapped, Mark II *rare* Jetta coupe.
11-03-05, 09:46 PM
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You know whats funnny? I saw this one jap vid w/ and RX-7, TT Supra, TT 300ZX, and a VR4. All of them were bone stock, and in the 1/4 mile the VR4 came out on top... funny. But I have respect of all the aforementioned platforms and would love to own all of them. I actually almost bought a ZX and Supra, but there were no FD's around @ the time.
What also is funny is that i came to this site out of respect cause i saw an FD wanted to try and track him down. I saw your FC and complimented it, then you turn around and bash the appearence of my platform. How nice of you.
^ Im going to have to dissagree:
What also is funny is that i came to this site out of respect cause i saw an FD wanted to try and track him down. I saw your FC and complimented it, then you turn around and bash the appearence of my platform. How nice of you.
All the years and models of both the stealth and the 3gt, are the cheapest looking mid 90's plastic fad following attempt at a sports car.
11-03-05, 10:09 PM
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Okay - with only a downpipe and air filter, my "hp robbing awd, overweight, over plastic'd turd" was able to walk my stock FD from a ROLL. Just because I said "modded", dont jump up too quick and get excited. I will start the modding on the FD come winter and will keep you posted. Do not worry, vids will come!
As for calling 3/S's ugly, well thats your opinion, and you are definitely entitled to it. Ask me? Well, if I was into playing Initial D and the like, and was involved with the entire "JdM tYte DriftInG BlinD corNEr dRafTing" trend, your car might do something for me. I'd rather just get an mk3 supra if I wanted the boxy 80's look. I like curves...
Also, as for your Lotus example - yes, its a quick car and it happens to be light. You fail to mention ANY other factor involved - Rear engine setup, advanced suspension, aerodynamics, gearing....Why are you so obsessed with weight? Do have anything else backing your argument or would you like to ride the weight wagon till the end?
For a quick comparo between your box and a 3/S, here is a pic of my cosmetically stock 3k w/ my shitty camera phone.
As for calling 3/S's ugly, well thats your opinion, and you are definitely entitled to it. Ask me? Well, if I was into playing Initial D and the like, and was involved with the entire "JdM tYte DriftInG BlinD corNEr dRafTing" trend, your car might do something for me. I'd rather just get an mk3 supra if I wanted the boxy 80's look. I like curves...
Also, as for your Lotus example - yes, its a quick car and it happens to be light. You fail to mention ANY other factor involved - Rear engine setup, advanced suspension, aerodynamics, gearing....Why are you so obsessed with weight? Do have anything else backing your argument or would you like to ride the weight wagon till the end?
For a quick comparo between your box and a 3/S, here is a pic of my cosmetically stock 3k w/ my shitty camera phone.
Last edited by VR4Power; 11-03-05 at 10:18 PM.
11-03-05, 10:25 PM
#47
Originally Posted by VR4Power
If youre putting down more power to the wheels, you can throw weight out of the window. A stock VR4 is a mid 13 sec car. Is your FC a mid 13? Ehhhhh - DOUBT IT. BPU VR4's are able to dip into the 12's. Your magical FC? Happy to even break a low 14 with slicks and a great driver. Then take a good look at trap speeds buddy. If all you have on the 3/S's is weight, you have another thing coming. Traps, awhp, and sex appeal win races. Your FC lacks in all depts...
My 402 rwhp fd ran dead even on the freeway with an '03 cobra making 530 rwhp. Weight makes a huge difference!
I get smoked by my friend's sbc/powerglide '73 vega, maybe a '99 spec bumper will give me enough sex appeal to beat him next year!
11-03-05, 10:44 PM
#48
i used to own 99 vr-4 it was a great car but i gotta say even with the power it made it felt heavy. so now i got a 300hp FC that makes that vr-4 feel like a civic ex. Dont get me wrong the 99 vr-4 is a sexy *** model and i loved it. but the FC is just so much more for me and i wasnt too fond of those 6 things in the engine that go up and down.
11-04-05, 12:47 AM
#49
Originally Posted by VR4Power
Okay - with only a downpipe and air filter, my "hp robbing awd, overweight, over plastic'd turd" was able to walk my stock FD from a ROLL.
Originally Posted by VR4Power
Just because I said "modded", dont jump up too quick and get excited.
Originally Posted by VR4Power
I will start the modding on the FD come winter and will keep you posted. Do not worry, vids will come!
Originally Posted by VR4Power
As for calling 3/S's ugly, well thats your opinion, and you are definitely entitled to it. Ask me? Well, if I was into playing Initial D and the like, and was involved with the entire "JdM tYte DriftInG BlinD corNEr dRafTing" trend, your car might do something for me. I'd rather just get an mk3 supra if I wanted the boxy 80's look. I like curves...
Originally Posted by VR4Power
Also, as for your Lotus example - yes, its a quick car and it happens to be light. You fail to mention ANY other factor involved - Rear engine setup, advanced suspension, aerodynamics, gearing....Why are you so obsessed with weight? Do have anything else backing your argument or would you like to ride the weight wagon till the end?
I'm not "obsessed" with weight, but I know the engineers who design sports-cars are... Take for example the engineers who constructed the FD--have you ever heard of "Project Z"?
So, like another poster, I'll present the extreme example in case you missed it the first time: Would a dump-truck be fast with a 3/S motor?
Would a go-cart?
Extreme examples, but the idea of a good 'power to weight' ratio is nothing revolutionary in the automotive world.
Originally Posted by VR4Power
For a quick comparo between your box and a 3/S, here is a pic of my cosmetically stock 3k w/ my shitty camera phone.
11-04-05, 01:13 AM
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Sweet TII erik.
All this trash talking really makes me wanna run a 3s just to see what all the hype is about. what does a stock VR4 trap btw?
Oh and VR4power: you said you trap 106 in your VR4, what kind of ETs will that trap produce? sounds kina quick?
All this trash talking really makes me wanna run a 3s just to see what all the hype is about. what does a stock VR4 trap btw?
Oh and VR4power: you said you trap 106 in your VR4, what kind of ETs will that trap produce? sounds kina quick?