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Old May 13, 2006 | 09:49 PM
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A base rsx doesn't even have vtec...
Actually it does, i-vtec. However, it certainly has its uses for emission and fuel mileage, more than power.
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Old May 13, 2006 | 11:17 PM
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I had a ~190whp 2400lb(nearly full interior) Celica GTS that doesn't seem too far from that. From a dig it would still be walked by my lightly modded TII. From a roll the high revving I4 was able to get into its powerband faster and had no worries about traction, so it could actually put up a fight and win sometimes. But rolls are for bakeries, so chalk it up to the FD. That RSX is probably in the mid 13's, while a 300whp FD is breaking 12's with the right driver.
I don't understand your sig...why?
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Old May 17, 2006 | 12:55 PM
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It's possible. I'm not going to sit here and tell you I'm an all-knowing car god because I've owned this n' that. I'm just saying that for a frieking 4 banger, that thing gets up. I'd say that car is pulling JUST as hard if not MORE than a slightly modded 7. Do you disagree with that?
yea cuz he went from about 15-60 in 5 seconds. stock!!! FD's are anywhere from 5.1-5.5 0!!!!!-60...besides how do you know what mods this car had??? rsx-s stats 170whp and 2750lbs w/o driver dont know the gearing but with perfect shifting your looking at a 14.3 quarter. so im thinking with a average driver rsx-s is going to be 14.5-15.0 car. i highly doubt that intake and headers is going to bring it down to the 13's. this kid should have no reason to be scared of this rsx-s...unless hes got some sneaky pete on order.

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Old May 17, 2006 | 03:44 PM
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Actually it does, i-vtec. However, it certainly has its uses for emission and fuel mileage, more than power.
IT DOES NOT HAVE VTEC, in the way other motors had.... the k20a1 or z1(base rsx, ep3 si) have only 2 lobes per cam per piston. What it does is keep only one valve fully functioning for intake and one for exhaust. At 2500rpms(IIRC) it opens the other valve.. That is not traditional vtec, nor does it offer any performance gains... ITs for efficiency and emmissions...
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Old May 17, 2006 | 04:09 PM
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who really cares, v-tec is weak by my standards. it helps 4 cylinders make over 200 hp for very short amount of rpms-very high in the range. the rx7 has much more duration of power throughout its rpm band. i just cant get over how his is even an arguement. The rxs TYPE S is not that bad of a car, but is well short of our cars. With his car being moddified what it is, he would have to run the living hell out of his car just to keep up with a stock rx7.
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Old May 17, 2006 | 04:13 PM
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who really cares, v-tec is weak by my standards. it helps 4 cylinders make over 200 hp for very short amount of rpms-very high in the range. the rx7 has much more duration of power throughout its rpm band. i just cant get over how his is even an arguement. The rxs TYPE S is not that bad of a car, but is well short of our cars. With his car being moddified what it is, he would have to run the living hell out of his car just to keep up with a stock rx7.
are you ******* SERIOUS??? the wankle needs a damn system that works like vtec... And besides, you think the rx7 is a torque monster? you still need to rev the **** out of it to get power...
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Old May 17, 2006 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MARTIN
IT DOES NOT HAVE VTEC, in the way other motors had.... the k20a1 or z1(base rsx, ep3 si) have only 2 lobes per cam per piston. What it does is keep only one valve fully functioning for intake and one for exhaust. At 2500rpms(IIRC) it opens the other valve.. That is not traditional vtec, nor does it offer any performance gains... ITs for efficiency and emmissions...
Who said in the way other motors had? VTEC is simply a way to optimize combustion throughout the engines rev range, and it has multiple uses. The RSX motor has continuously variable camshaft phasing on the intake cam, along with adjustable valve lift and timing. If you read what I wrote, I stated that it was for fuel and emissions purposes...which is still a property of any VTEC system.

You stated, "A base rsx doesn't even have vtec..." <--- this is false.

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are you ******* SERIOUS??? the wankle needs a damn system that works like vtec... And besides, you think the rx7 is a torque monster? you still need to rev the **** out of it to get power...
Generally no (mainly with an N/A rotary), but its working with a better torque curve than the RSX due to the turbo system.
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Old May 18, 2006 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by MARTIN
are you ******* SERIOUS??? the wankle needs a damn system that works like vtec... And besides, you think the rx7 is a torque monster? you still need to rev the **** out of it to get power...
yuou dont need to "rev the **** out of it" when its boosted retard! and i never said anything about torque MORON! go back to your honda dickwad
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Old May 18, 2006 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Shinobi-X
You stated, "A base rsx doesn't even have vtec..." <--- this is false.


Generally no (mainly with an N/A rotary), but its working with a better torque curve than the RSX due to the turbo system.
exactly. im talking about an fd or fc turbo. there is no need to rev the **** out of this like the rsx-s. martin is a dipshit!
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Old May 18, 2006 | 10:42 AM
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one more point: The rx7 is considered a japanese SUPERCAR, what about the rsx-s? definatly not.
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Old May 18, 2006 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by MARTIN
are you ******* SERIOUS??? the wankle needs a damn system that works like vtec... And besides, you think the rx7 is a torque monster? you still need to rev the **** out of it to get power...
I thought about this one more time and had a good laugh... the wenkel needs a vtec, ehh?? how? there isnt a valvetrain in a rotary motor. but i guess if you want to look at it this way (in making power come on earlyier), the fd has stock sequential turbochargers which hit boost well before 3000 rpms... this is much better than vtec if you ask me... Im sure you know this though, youve posted over 2000 times on this board. so anyway, why are you so defensive over the rsx issue? do you not own an rx7? if you drove one that is turbocharged from the factory (FD or turbo fc) you would know you dont have to rev the hell out of it to get gobs of power down. I make over 300 whp from 3600rpms and up to red line... i peak at 374 whp on stock non-seq. twins at 15psi. now what about 300whp from 3600 and up would need to "rev the **** out of it to get power"?? seriously, id like to hear your input.

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Old May 18, 2006 | 11:06 AM
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I thought about this one more time and had a good laugh... the wenkel needs a vtec, ehh?? how? there isnt a valvetrain in a rotary motor. but i guess if you want to look at it this way (in making power come on earlyier), the fd has stock sequential turbochargers which hit boost well before 3000 rpms... this is much better than vtec if you ask me... Im sure you know this though, youve posted over 2000 times on this board. so anyway, why are you so defensive over the rsx issue? do you not own an rx7? if you drove one that is turbocharged from the factory (FD or turbo fc) you would know you dont have to rev the hell out of it to get gobs of power down. I make over 300 whp from 3600rpms and up to red line... i peak at 374 whp on stock non-seq. twins at 15psi. now what about 300whp from 3600 and up would need to "rev the **** out of it to get power"?? seriously, id like to hear your input.
You were talking **** about n/a rsx's, so I replied in the same form that the n/a rx7's need a type of variable port timing or port phasing... Which they do, they have the 5/6th ports and vdi but still dont work as good...

Now as to your comment, you make 300 from 3600 and up, thats great, but we aren't talking about you, we are talking about this kid who is putting out nowhere near 300whp...
And BTW I do Own a TII vert, but you can't compare the powerband of an n/a car to a turbo car.

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Old May 18, 2006 | 11:10 AM
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one more point: The rx7 is considered a japanese SUPERCAR, what about the rsx-s? definatly not.
The rx7 has been out how long? And its not even in the same class...
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Old May 18, 2006 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MARTIN
You were talking **** about n/a rsx's, so I replied in the same form that the n/a rx7's need a type of variable port timing or port phasing... Which they do, they have the 5/6th ports and vdi but still dont work as good...

Now as to your comment, you make 300 from 3600 and up, thats great, but we aren't talking about you, we are talking about this kid who is putting out nowhere near 300whp...
And BTW I do Own a TII vert, but you can't compare the powerband of an n/a car to a turbo car.
no i definatly agree hes not making 300 whp. but in the 260-279 range yes, and i have to say thats enough to eat the rsx hes talking about. like everyone else is saying, unless the rsx is holding out.

Also one thing you have to remember, the rotary for the displacement makes good power. but still not enough for me. I definatly wouldnt own a non turbo rotary unless it was a 4 rotor.
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Old May 18, 2006 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MARTIN
The rx7 has been out how long? And its not even in the same class...
I know this, the way you were talking about the honda, I wasnt sure you were.
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Old May 18, 2006 | 02:13 PM
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Would you baby's quit your crying! Did the person who made this thread even race the RSX yet? I didnt want to read through all of your bullshit whining to see.
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Old May 18, 2006 | 02:30 PM
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Would you baby's quit your crying! Did the person who made this thread even race the RSX yet? I didnt want to read through all of your bullshit whining to see.
for what, he'll loose...
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Old May 18, 2006 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MARTIN
for what, he'll loose...
i doubt that , seriously, race, i want to find out.
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Old May 18, 2006 | 03:42 PM
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i doubt that , seriously, race, i want to find out.
LOL We'll see, they prolly raced already he's just too embarassed to say the outcome...
But in all seriousness, if the RSX only has those mods and the rx7 really does put down 250whp, then the 7 would prolly win.. But if he does have a reflash(which most owners do but say they only have i/e) then the outcome might be different... Itll be a good race to watch...
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Old May 18, 2006 | 07:57 PM
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No i have not raced the rsx yet im still waiting for my engine to get done but i will definately let everyone know and ill have it taped to mess with all the acura and honda guys that all think they have fast cars.
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Old May 18, 2006 | 08:29 PM
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Zack,
don't even worry about racing that rsx until you have properly broken in your new engine.


To be honest this thread went 6 pages too long. Your basic rsx should not even come close to taking you. Unless he is well modded, but that outcome is very possible with in any car that you come across. The rsx is nothing special in my book.
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Old May 18, 2006 | 08:44 PM
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well since everyone on the forum has had their input....just like said above, break your motor in, or you will look like a fool. ONCE borken in properly, you should have no troubles, if you can drive
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 04:49 PM
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 06:32 PM
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if hes running on hondata and a few more stuff i dunno but rollin u could get smoked
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 09:09 PM
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who ******* cares, moral of the story, martin is a bonafied honda lover, and refuses to see past his SI. He is the king of worthless FWD pissing matches.
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