C6 Z06 vs. modified Cobra
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Just everybody had better hold their breath and hope GM doesn't release the "Blue Devil Z06" from what I have read it has the same 7.0 V8 only with a supercharger- making north of 650 horsepower from the factory!!! Most every piece they could they made of carbon fiber and lowered the weight to 2,900 from 3,100 which is what the stock C6 Z06 weighs. Newer redesigned chassie and suspension to go along with the more power is also in the works. The price is goin to be around 100,000 So the rest of the sports car world is about to be in a whole lot of trouble when and if this car ever become availible to the public in 2007.
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I think we are talking about two videos here, one with a C5 and one with a C6.
edit: Okay, I just saw the 2nd video. All my previous post were concerning the original video which started this thread.
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for all you 5.0 lovers, go compare the main caps on a 5.0 to ANY GM SMALL BLOCK. FORD 5.0 is a punk motor from the factory.I haven't seen any ford motors going into any FD's EVER! And I dont wonder why.Dollar for dollar I pick a chevy in the pony car battle. BTW ford has more recalls the any other OEM out. Anyone remember the tbird fuckup?
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Originally Posted by geo110282
Hey Bro. That's sweet. The old saying is power to weight and you got it. I really like that Ford. How dose it handle I never road in one. but just of the top of my head you should be in the 10 sec. 1/4 mile.
This guy has some nice pictures on his web page about his Superformance Shelby Cobra and his engine which is similar to mine, but not a Roush build.
http://www.msu.edu/~remondi2/Cobra%2...ll/default.htm
For acceleration there are many ways to look at it. You could use a 1/4 mile calculator, test the car with an acceleration meter like the magazines, run it against another car, take it to the drag strip(no full roll cage/can't do it), calculate weight and power numbers or quite a few other methods. Like any other car you'll get results ranging from professional magazine drivers to guys that drive like grandma. I could do better, but 0 - 60 is low 3s. 0 - 100 is high 6s. 60 - 120 low 6s.
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Originally Posted by socalrotor
for all you 5.0 lovers, go compare the main caps on a 5.0 to ANY GM SMALL BLOCK. FORD 5.0 is a punk motor from the factory.I haven't seen any ford motors going into any FD's EVER! And I dont wonder why.Dollar for dollar I pick a chevy in the pony car battle. BTW ford has more recalls the any other OEM out. Anyone remember the tbird fuckup?
Ford's goal wasn't to beat chevy, it was to actually make money, ****.
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Originally Posted by Romancer
Yea, that is why they are still making camaros.
Ford's goal wasn't to beat chevy, it was to actually make money, ****.
Ford's goal wasn't to beat chevy, it was to actually make money, ****.
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Originally Posted by notveryhappyjack
Ok the big three don't sell high performance cars to make money, they sell them to compete against each other, but then again ford doesn't really sell anything high performance so it more like the big two competing... son
Ford and Chrysler.
Becuase there is no more camaro, idiot.
I'm just going to ignore the statement that "ford doesn't really sell anything high performance." Because anyone with half a brain would disagree with you.
Ford GT, Mach1, Cobra,Mustang GT.
Rinse and repeat.
Anything that can run mid 13's and lower from the factory is high-performance. Whether you like it or not.
Take the Chevy ***** out of your ***, because now you aren't even making sense.
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Originally Posted by socalrotor
for all you 5.0 lovers, go compare the main caps on a 5.0 to ANY GM SMALL BLOCK. FORD 5.0 is a punk motor from the factory.I haven't seen any ford motors going into any FD's EVER! And I dont wonder why.Dollar for dollar I pick a chevy in the pony car battle. BTW ford has more recalls the any other OEM out. Anyone remember the tbird fuckup?
thats why chevy is bankrupt and Ford is in a strong #2 position.
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Originally Posted by notveryhappyjack
Just everybody had better hold their breath and hope GM doesn't release the "Blue Devil Z06" from what I have read it has the same 7.0 V8 only with a supercharger- making north of 650 horsepower from the factory!!! Most every piece they could they made of carbon fiber and lowered the weight to 2,900 from 3,100 which is what the stock C6 Z06 weighs. Newer redesigned chassie and suspension to go along with the more power is also in the works. The price is goin to be around 100,000 So the rest of the sports car world is about to be in a whole lot of trouble when and if this car ever become availible to the public in 2007.
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Originally Posted by 93VRTouring
you'sd better hope Ford doesn't make a 429 Cammer..or, God forbid for you chevy ***********, Ford would re-release the 429 Cobra Jet. then you'd see real problems, huh?
Heres the specs!
ENGINE
Type: 90° OHV BOSS 429 V-8
Bore x stroke: 4.6 in. x 4.5 in.
Displacement: 10 liters
Compression ratio: 10.5:1
Horsepower: 855 hp
Torque: 790 lbs.-ft.
Fuel injectors: 72 lbs./hour
• Dual 70mm throttle bodies with 2800 rpm
converter
• Custom built aluminum intake manifold
• Modified C6 three-speed auto
PERFORMANCE
0-60 mph: 1.9 seconds
0-100mph 5.5 seconds
1/4 mile: 10.55 seconds @135.05 mph
Other cool cars they shoulda made were the Super Stallion and Cobra Jet. BTW i like Z06's but ford def. coulda out done them if they produced these cars..
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They had a Boss 429 Concept mustang a few years back, thing was savage
Heres the specs!
ENGINE
Type: 90° OHV BOSS 429 V-8
Bore x stroke: 4.6 in. x 4.5 in.
Displacement: 10 liters
Compression ratio: 10.5:1
Horsepower: 855 hp
Torque: 790 lbs.-ft.
Fuel injectors: 72 lbs./hour
• Dual 70mm throttle bodies with 2800 rpm
converter
• Custom built aluminum intake manifold
• Modified C6 three-speed auto
PERFORMANCE
0-60 mph: 1.9 seconds
0-100mph 5.5 seconds
1/4 mile: 10.55 seconds @135.05 mph
Other cool cars they shoulda made were the Super Stallion and Cobra Jet. BTW i like Z06's but ford def. coulda out done them if they produced these cars..
Heres the specs!
ENGINE
Type: 90° OHV BOSS 429 V-8
Bore x stroke: 4.6 in. x 4.5 in.
Displacement: 10 liters
Compression ratio: 10.5:1
Horsepower: 855 hp
Torque: 790 lbs.-ft.
Fuel injectors: 72 lbs./hour
• Dual 70mm throttle bodies with 2800 rpm
converter
• Custom built aluminum intake manifold
• Modified C6 three-speed auto
PERFORMANCE
0-60 mph: 1.9 seconds
0-100mph 5.5 seconds
1/4 mile: 10.55 seconds @135.05 mph
Other cool cars they shoulda made were the Super Stallion and Cobra Jet. BTW i like Z06's but ford def. coulda out done them if they produced these cars..
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Originally Posted by socalrotor
for all you 5.0 lovers, go compare the main caps on a 5.0 to ANY GM SMALL BLOCK. FORD 5.0 is a punk motor from the factory.I haven't seen any ford motors going into any FD's EVER! And I dont wonder why.Dollar for dollar I pick a chevy in the pony car battle. BTW ford has more recalls the any other OEM out. Anyone remember the tbird fuckup?
don't knock a 5.0 till you've tried to drive a Fox.
actually don't bother trying to drive a fox..most idiots just wrap them around trees anyway, cause they can't drive a real car.
"OMFG no TCS? WTF? Solid rear end? WTF?!!? I can't drive this!!! too much power, too little technological aid!!!"
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Originally Posted by BlkS5TII
Should have but never did. Any car company can make a badass supercar if they wanted to focus the resources required to do it. The fact is that they never put those cars into production. I'm sure even Hyundai could make a 1000hp concept if they wanted to. It's the cars that DO go into production that count.
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Originally Posted by BlkS5TII
Should have but never did. Any car company can make a badass supercar if they wanted to focus the resources required to do it. The fact is that they never put those cars into production. I'm sure even Hyundai could make a 1000hp concept if they wanted to. It's the cars that DO go into production that count.
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I was simply proving a point to anyone that wants to say a certain company is better because they made better concept cars. I'm staying out of the whole Ford vs. Chevy debate. Honestly, I couldn't care less about which manufacturer is better. I give credit where it's due on a car by car basis. Sometimes both manufacturers make shitty cars.
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Originally Posted by BlkS5TII
I was simply proving a point to anyone that wants to say a certain company is better because they made better concept cars. I'm staying out of the whole Ford vs. Chevy debate. Honestly, I couldn't care less about which manufacturer is better. I give credit where it's due on a car by car basis. Sometimes both manufacturers make shitty cars.
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Originally Posted by Romancer
Yea.
Ford and Chrysler.
Becuase there is no more camaro, idiot.
I'm just going to ignore the statement that "ford doesn't really sell anything high performance." Because anyone with half a brain would disagree with you.
Ford GT, Mach1, Cobra,Mustang GT.
Rinse and repeat.
Anything that can run mid 13's and lower from the factory is high-performance. Whether you like it or not.
Take the Chevy ***** out of your ***, because now you aren't even making sense.
Ford and Chrysler.
Becuase there is no more camaro, idiot.
I'm just going to ignore the statement that "ford doesn't really sell anything high performance." Because anyone with half a brain would disagree with you.
Ford GT, Mach1, Cobra,Mustang GT.
Rinse and repeat.
Anything that can run mid 13's and lower from the factory is high-performance. Whether you like it or not.
Take the Chevy ***** out of your ***, because now you aren't even making sense.
"Because there is no more camaro, idiot"
They stopped selling the camaro because it was ugly and prehistoric, nobody wanted a half hearted american sports/muscle car plain and simple except the die hards that have like camaros since the 60's.
"Ford GT, Mach1, Cobra,Mustang GT"
I don't really consider three trim levels of the same car three different cars.
My idea of a high performance car if you haven't already figured out, is that I like cars without a long list of mods for the fact that you can drive them everyday for what they are(A/C, passing emmissions, heated seats, factory idle, not overheating constantly you know the normal issues with a highly modified car), plus I have never thought that spending a buttload of money on a car to try and beat a car that looks and cost 50 grand more is a worthy idea because there will always be something faster no matter what and when you look back at that 80,000 joe blow spent on a 92' mustang just to get it to run 8 seconds on a race track(not even the street) you will prolly have another mid life crisis on top of the one that made you spend all that money on a Ford.
High performance to me is looks,power,handling,braking,reliability,drivabili ty and a car that comes from the factory with all this is a great car no matter what badge it is wearing on the hood be it Ford or Chevy.
I don't have a chevy ***** in my ***- my entire life Chevy has been better then ford on the race track in every series they compete head to head and on the street (design and reliability) so naturally I believe that Chevy is better then Ford. Whats wrong with that?
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Originally Posted by notveryhappyjack
For the sake of continuing this arguement with a child(Romancer) please tell me you really didn't believe I was talking about ford and chrysler as the big two LOL? I didn't say this but I thought it was well know that ford(GT40) chevrolet(Z06) and dodge(Viper SRT10) were the big three in detroit, and if I have like five posts suggesting how I feel about fords, why would I include them in the in the big two WTF? I do know that you threw chysler in there to get under my skin and it worked so good for you, up until this point I have tryied to keep this thread at a discussion/debate level but you keep showing signs in multipule posts that you want to take this to a personal level when I don't own any of the cars that have been debated so far. I am also pretty sure I stopped calling names and saying dumb one line smart *** coments in like 5th grade so you have shown that you are the only person here who wants to continue arguing like a 12 year old little girl who thinks that by calling names you get your point across then go ahead and do so nobody is going to stop you, and I will not post anymore dealing with you as I have moved on with my life since grade school and only converse with people who have done the same.
"Because there is no more camaro, idiot"
They stopped selling the camaro because it was ugly and prehistoric, nobody wanted a half hearted american sports/muscle car plain and simple except the die hards that have like camaros since the 60's.
"Ford GT, Mach1, Cobra,Mustang GT"
I don't really consider three trim levels of the same car three different cars.
My idea of a high performance car if you haven't already figured out, is that I like cars without a long list of mods for the fact that you can drive them everyday for what they are(A/C, passing emmissions, heated seats, factory idle, not overheating constantly you know the normal issues with a highly modified car), plus I have never thought that spending a buttload of money on a car to try and beat a car that looks and cost 50 grand more is a worthy idea because there will always be something faster no matter what and when you look back at that 80,000 joe blow spent on a 92' mustang just to get it to run 8 seconds on a race track(not even the street) you will prolly have another mid life crisis on top of the one that made you spend all that money on a Ford.
High performance to me is looks,power,handling,braking,reliability,drivabili ty and a car that comes from the factory with all this is a great car no matter what badge it is wearing on the hood be it Ford or Chevy.
I don't have a chevy ***** in my ***- my entire life Chevy has been better then ford on the race track in every series they compete head to head and on the street (design and reliability) so naturally I believe that Chevy is better then Ford. Whats wrong with that?
"Because there is no more camaro, idiot"
They stopped selling the camaro because it was ugly and prehistoric, nobody wanted a half hearted american sports/muscle car plain and simple except the die hards that have like camaros since the 60's.
"Ford GT, Mach1, Cobra,Mustang GT"
I don't really consider three trim levels of the same car three different cars.
My idea of a high performance car if you haven't already figured out, is that I like cars without a long list of mods for the fact that you can drive them everyday for what they are(A/C, passing emmissions, heated seats, factory idle, not overheating constantly you know the normal issues with a highly modified car), plus I have never thought that spending a buttload of money on a car to try and beat a car that looks and cost 50 grand more is a worthy idea because there will always be something faster no matter what and when you look back at that 80,000 joe blow spent on a 92' mustang just to get it to run 8 seconds on a race track(not even the street) you will prolly have another mid life crisis on top of the one that made you spend all that money on a Ford.
High performance to me is looks,power,handling,braking,reliability,drivabili ty and a car that comes from the factory with all this is a great car no matter what badge it is wearing on the hood be it Ford or Chevy.
I don't have a chevy ***** in my ***- my entire life Chevy has been better then ford on the race track in every series they compete head to head and on the street (design and reliability) so naturally I believe that Chevy is better then Ford. Whats wrong with that?
You said Ford doesn't make anything high performance. Own up to your words.
Thank you, come again.
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Originally Posted by Romancer
So basically, you ARE biased. Like I stated... but in a much more demeaning way
You said Ford doesn't make anything high performance. Own up to your words.
Thank you, come again.
You said Ford doesn't make anything high performance. Own up to your words.
Thank you, come again.
I am owning up to my words that ford doesn't make anything high performance. If you read what "I" consider high performance looks, power, handling, braking reliability, drivability. No fords(GT is close but a little expencive for a car that isn't reliable) made in a long time fall under those catigories so like I said before I am done arguing with children who are obviously learning how to read still.
What will come first romancer hitting puberty or ford coming out with high performance cars? Hmm... I could save everybody time by flipping a coin on this.
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Originally Posted by Romancer
If you think if its not possible to make a 500+hp fox for under 80k you are a moron.
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Originally Posted by BlkS5TII
Should have but never did. Any car company can make a badass supercar if they wanted to focus the resources required to do it. The fact is that they never put those cars into production. I'm sure even Hyundai could make a 1000hp concept if they wanted to. It's the cars that DO go into production that count.
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Originally Posted by geo110282
That is the perfect example of why GM should have bought Mazda out in the early 90's rather than Ford. Ford actully was the one the stoped producing the RX7 and the Engenners at Mazda beged them to let them remake the RX. I'll never buy a Found On Road Dead (ford) Now put that supercharger on that vette and you will really move.
Ford has a hands off relationship with Mazda and always has when it comes to their marketing campaigns and their internal dealings. Ford has shared platforms with Mazda and that's about as far as it goes. I'd like you to show us all one bit of proof to back up your claim.
The FD failed because of a high MSRP, Luxo tax's singed into law Clinton and it's horrible reputation as far as reliability and Mazda's inability to gather enough good trained techs in the dealerships here in the US to service the car correctly. They were getting killed on the service area and loosing money. Besides the car went on in Japan for another 5 or 6 years. Ford didn't kill crap.
And why are you guys even questioning the race. So the Cobra has roughly 460 RWHP. With the 15% DT loss Cobras run that approximately 540 FWHP. It's got about 30-35 hp on the vette and the vette is about 400+ lbs lighter. Also the Z06 may have had headers, guys are getting just sick gains off the new Z06's with just header installs. Something like 50-60hp. I would bet the vette had headers which would explain the destruction of the Cobra, or the Cobra drive is a putz. Still though not sure why a 4 seater, 3650lb car loosing to pretty much a street legal purpose built race car is any surprise. Now simply swap out that crappy Eaton with a Twin Screw SC and watch a totally different race. Not saying the Cobra would win but it would have totally been a different story.
Greg Schroeder That Cobra wasn't highly modified. That’s simple bolt-ons when it comes to Cobras.
Anybody want to see a sic car take a look at this lightly modded Ford GT. Over 600 RWHP. The end of the Vid is what you want to see. It's probaly already been posted here but I haven't seen it if it has. It's 145 megs so better have a good connection.
http://www.torquenstein.net/movies/imv/Joes_GT.wmv