Go Back  RX7Club.com - Mazda RX7 Forum > Tech and Performance > Race Car Tech
Reload this Page >

Vid of my incident at VIR on monday and some pictures

Race Car Tech Discuss anything related to road racing and auto X.

Vid of my incident at VIR on monday and some pictures

Old 04-24-08, 09:35 AM
  #1  
Rotary Freak
10 Year Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
Section8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Golden, CO
Posts: 1,810
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Vid of my incident at VIR on monday and some pictures

Pushing too hard in the wet and hit the concrete gator entering 5 and lost the back end, spun into the outside tire wall. Live and learn. Good news was that the only major damage was to my passenger tail light and the exhaust. Fritz was good enough to hook me up with another exhaust in exchange for picking up an engine/trans and misc parts he was buying from a kid in NC so I got back on track tuesday

Anyway, here's the vid

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bJUNSNFcxhE


Here are some pics






The rest of the saving grace


car with the new exhaust on


back on track




the rest of the pictures are here if anyone is interested:

http://imageevent.com/section8/hpde/april2008vir
Section8 is offline  
Old 04-24-08, 09:44 AM
  #2  
Mr. Links
15 Year Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Mahjik's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 27,592
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
That's an owwie.

What tires where you using at the event?
Mahjik is offline  
Old 04-24-08, 09:45 AM
  #3  
Lives on the Forum
iTrader: (8)
 
ptrhahn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Arlington, VA
Posts: 8,492
Received 20 Likes on 19 Posts
Ouch!
ptrhahn is offline  
Old 04-24-08, 09:46 AM
  #4  
Rotary Freak
10 Year Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
Section8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Golden, CO
Posts: 1,810
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Mahjik View Post
That's an owwie.

What tires where you using at the event?
V700s. I bought them last year unshaved, did 1 day of a two day event at Summit Shen on them, then a two day event at Mosport, but that's all they had on them. I really think that if i hadn't hit that concrete curb I would have been able to keep it on track, but I was still going too fast for the conditions. Live and learn eh? Good news is the car is still completely driveable, just some cosmetic damage and a bruised ego
Section8 is offline  
Old 04-24-08, 09:54 AM
  #5  
Mr. Links
15 Year Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Mahjik's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 27,592
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Glad you are ok and the car is not too banged up. IMO, if you are going to damage your car, at least do it at the right place: the track.

I've done a rain session in the past, but I had street tires (Goodyears at that) so there was plenty of wet grip. I've been contemplating with the idea of keeping a set of wheels with something for just the rain as I only have the Victoracers now. However, I need a tire trailer first before any of that will even work.
Mahjik is offline  
Old 04-24-08, 09:59 AM
  #6  
Rotary Freak
10 Year Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
Section8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Golden, CO
Posts: 1,810
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Mahjik View Post
Glad you are ok and the car is not too banged up. IMO, if you are going to damage your car, at least do it at the right place: the track.

I've done a rain session in the past, but I had street tires (Goodyears at that) so there was plenty of wet grip. I've been contemplating with the idea of keeping a set of wheels with something for just the rain as I only have the Victoracers now. However, I need a tire trailer first before any of that will even work.
Yeah, i actually had my street wheels/tires in the back of the suburban but just didn't put them on the car. But honestly, i'm not sure they would have helped me with the way i made the mistake.
Section8 is offline  
Old 04-24-08, 10:05 AM
  #7  
Mr. Links
15 Year Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Mahjik's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 27,592
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Originally Posted by Section8 View Post
Yeah, i actually had my street wheels/tires in the back of the suburban but just didn't put them on the car. But honestly, i'm not sure they would have helped me with the way i made the mistake.
Well, not to play sideline driver, I think the street tires would have made a difference. Granted, in the wet, how you get on the gas needs to have a little more care. But I think you could have caught it with a decent street tire. Now if you had something like Falken 615's in the truck, I don't think they would have made much of a difference over what you were running in that situation.

I'm really thinking of getting 2 sets of Rota Slipstreams at 17x8.5 for the track. Put some slicks on one set and then something for the rain on the other set. Yea, they aren't the prettiest rim, but they are cheap and easy to replace if needed. I have 2 other sets of pretty rims.
Mahjik is offline  
Old 04-24-08, 10:38 AM
  #8  
The end of an era
10 Year Member
iTrader: (4)
 
andrewdruiz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Loma Linda, CA
Posts: 4,699
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
That sucks! At least there wasn't any extensive damage and you got to drive it on the track again. IIRC if you don't shave the V700's they should be pretty decent in the rain from what I've heard. I haven't tried it since mine are shaved. I'm going to probably do what Mahjik is doing for my FD's setup, V710's for dry days and I'll use my street tires (PS2's) for rainy days. Those tires have crazy good grip in the rain.

I couldn't help but chuckle at this... sorry:

"I broke your handle..."

"I think that's the least of my worries..."

andrewdruiz is offline  
Old 04-24-08, 10:43 AM
  #9  
Registered User
5 Year Member
 
DigDug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Sterling, VA
Posts: 1,038
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
When I read turn 5, I was thinking you meant the curb on the right just before that (had a very close call there myself, fortunately it wasn't wet).

Glad you're okay.
DigDug is offline  
Old 04-24-08, 10:48 AM
  #10  
Rotary Freak
5 Year Member
 
owen is fat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 1,579
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
oh boy that had to be a bummer but like others said at least its minimal, it could have been so much worse.

yeah you should run some basic street tires for wet sessions, they keep your speeds lower and give you some water shedding tread, both would have helped you out that day.

nice of Fritz to help with an easy/cheap solution to that mangled exhaust.
owen is fat is offline  
Old 04-24-08, 11:26 AM
  #11  
.
iTrader: (8)
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: US
Posts: 2,496
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
i am sorry to see that, but glad that no one got hurt. good luck getting it back together and getting back out there.

like you said, we live and we learn.
ZumSpeedRX-7 is offline  
Old 04-24-08, 11:31 AM
  #12  
Polishing Fiend
iTrader: (139)
 
CrispyRX7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: MD
Posts: 3,296
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts
Aww that's a bummer. My condolences. But you survived to track it another day which is good because T5 can bite and bite HARD.
Keep your chin up.
regards,
Crispy
CrispyRX7 is offline  
Old 04-24-08, 04:10 PM
  #13  
fd0
formerly chillin_rx7_guy
10 Year Member
iTrader: (8)
 
fd0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: WA
Posts: 1,149
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
victoracers on wet is extremely scary. street tires felt way better on the track when it was raining.
fd0 is offline  
Old 04-24-08, 10:07 PM
  #14  
OLDROTA
5 Year Member
 
Jaime Enriquez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,389
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Wet conditions, over exuberance, talking while driving, nailing the paint and throttle = crash. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you were kinda asking for that one.
Jaime Enriquez is offline  
Old 04-24-08, 10:23 PM
  #15  
Rotary Freak
10 Year Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
Section8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Golden, CO
Posts: 1,810
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Jaime Enriquez View Post
Wet conditions, over exuberance, talking while driving, nailing the paint and throttle = crash. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you were kinda asking for that one.
you didn't burst my bubble - i already stated the reasons i crashed but thanks for telling me again since i obviously was unaware.
Section8 is offline  
Old 04-24-08, 11:03 PM
  #16  
Warming the planet.
10 Year Member
 
Gadd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Chico, CA
Posts: 843
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Aww that will buff right out.

Thanks for sharing, that's a good reminder that tracking your cars is serious business .

Paul
Gadd is offline  
Old 04-25-08, 01:04 AM
  #17  
Full Member
5 Year Member
 
MtotheIKEo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Lodi, Ca
Posts: 175
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
:hs:
MtotheIKEo is offline  
Old 04-25-08, 01:42 AM
  #18  
OLDROTA
5 Year Member
 
Jaime Enriquez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,389
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Keep up the work tho...the car sounds sweet and you seem to handle it very well. Nice Vette pass BTW...
Jaime Enriquez is offline  
Old 04-25-08, 02:50 AM
  #19  
mostly posts useless info
 
nunchuckgun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: virginia beach, va
Posts: 364
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
haha i plan on headin up to ViR there after i get my T2 running, hopefully i wont make the same mistake, and if its raining ill just stay home, haha, like how those plates expired last year too, nice
nunchuckgun is offline  
Old 04-25-08, 07:54 AM
  #20  
EFR IWG 8374
10 Year Member
 
JTurtonRX_7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: C. Springs
Posts: 638
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
wow thats scary, the rear came around quick. Good luck with the repairs.
JTurtonRX_7 is offline  
Old 04-25-08, 11:30 AM
  #21  
All out Track Freak!
iTrader: (261)
 
Fritz Flynn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Charlottesville VA 22901
Posts: 10,317
Received 111 Likes on 95 Posts
Nice video Joe

Technically speaking you lost it in T6 which is a really sneaky turn especially when you're a little early at T5a. It's REALLY important in a high HP car to go into 5a late get her pointed then roll in to the throttle easy. I think I go in later than the cone and get the car parrallel near or on the pilings before turning into 5a. I see so many drivers trying to make one turn from 5 to 5a going out and brushing the piling but not really squaring up to the curb/piling on the left side before entering 5a but you really need to square both wheels to the piling straighten the wheel for just a beat to give yourself lots of room for a late smooth turn in which will set you up for virtually a straight drive through 6 and 6a.

Thanks again for helping with the parts and glad I was able to help get you back on track both literally and figuratively There's is no better learning experience than going off track and whether you hit something or not is just the nature of the beast.

Regarding the tires; the rain was never really heavy so Joe was using the right tires.
Fritz Flynn is offline  
Old 04-25-08, 11:31 AM
  #22  
All out Track Freak!
iTrader: (261)
 
Fritz Flynn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Charlottesville VA 22901
Posts: 10,317
Received 111 Likes on 95 Posts
Oh and if you need some rear quarter panels let me know hehe
Fritz Flynn is offline  
Old 04-25-08, 11:33 AM
  #23  
ArmitageFD3S
iTrader: (13)
 
ArmitageGVR4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Herndon, Virginia
Posts: 2,208
Received 8 Likes on 6 Posts
Man that sucks. I'm sorry to hear about the crash, but glad the damage is only cosmetic. It seems like traction just went away because I hear the RPMs shoot up right before the rear end comes around. Almost the exact same thing happened to my car (but in the dry) with similar damage. If you need any bodywork tips I may be able to offer some advice and/or bodywork tools. Also, sorry to hear about your handle.

Will you still be making it out to the Trackdaze event next month? If so I'll see you there with my still-mashed-in rear quarter panel too
ArmitageGVR4 is online now  
Old 04-25-08, 05:32 PM
  #24  
Rotary Freak
10 Year Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
Section8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Golden, CO
Posts: 1,810
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by nunchuckgun View Post
haha i plan on headin up to ViR there after i get my T2 running, hopefully i wont make the same mistake, and if its raining ill just stay home, haha, like how those plates expired last year too, nice
Yeah, the plates expired and since I never drive it on teh street (except to bed pads and cycle tires) i never bothered to renew them

Originally Posted by Fritz Flynn View Post
Oh and if you need some rear quarter panels let me know hehe
Thanks man - I'm not even sure if I'm going to have it fixed right away, but I don't have time to get it fixed before the next event anyway. I'll let you know.

Originally Posted by ArmitageGVR4 View Post
Man that sucks. I'm sorry to hear about the crash, but glad the damage is only cosmetic. It seems like traction just went away because I hear the RPMs shoot up right before the rear end comes around. Almost the exact same thing happened to my car (but in the dry) with similar damage. If you need any bodywork tips I may be able to offer some advice and/or bodywork tools. Also, sorry to hear about your handle.

Will you still be making it out to the Trackdaze event next month? If so I'll see you there with my still-mashed-in rear quarter panel too
We're still coming to Trackdaze next month wife is going to do that event in her RX8 too. We can both represent the battle scarred RX7s!


The door handle comment really cracked me up - in the first session i had warned my instructor who had never been on track in an FD that the passenger door handles were known to break. So of course he held on to it during the spin and you hear his comment on the vid
Section8 is offline  
Old 04-26-08, 10:01 AM
  #25  
Old Rotary Dog
10 Year Member
 
wrankin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Durham, NC
Posts: 1,461
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Fritz did a really nice analysis, so I won't comment on the "why you ended up there". I just wanted to add that the whole 5a->6->6a complex is especially nasty in the rain. It is narrow and there is no where to go. The gators will toss the back of that car around and even in light rain you can get small puddles on the apexes.

So if it's any consolation, you aren't the first to go off at that exact place, and you won't be the last.

Good to hear that no one was injured and that the car is reparable.

-b
wrankin is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: Vid of my incident at VIR on monday and some pictures


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
 
  • Ask a Question
    Get answers from community experts
Question Title:
Description:
Your question will be posted in: