Originally Posted by Turbo23

so i suppose that ALL professionals learned everything on the track and NEVER drive fast on roads?

Originally Posted by Turbo23

and apparently you didnt pay attention to when i said i DO NOT drift on blind corners. Unless the family in the sedan was invisible around a completely visible corner at 1am. Im done

Originally Posted by Boswoj

The problem is clear from the perspective of responsible drivers and responsible racers. To be fair to those who have legitimately developed high levels of car control, and choose to use them in safe, sanctioned drifiting "exhibitions", I will try to remember to refer to the rest of the core drift following as "amatuer drifters"!

At the risk of "twisting" your point, how can you POSSIBLY explain the following statements:

1) Apexdrive - "Also, I never placed anyone in danger with my practicing, other than myself, my car, and maybe some deer or opossums that could've been in the area. My deepest apologies to the families of those animals for my wanton irresponsibility, I was young and foolish. I condone responsible driving in areas where people aren't endangered."

2) rhscare - "98% of the drifters I know, have no desire to drift on the streets, but are given few other options due to the ignorance of most sanctioning bodies."

If you are EVER practicing drifting on public roads, you are breaking the law and endangering lives. No excuses. No whining about "the man" not building you "drift parks" with other peoples money. There is ALWAYS a choice - you can choose to try to find a safe and legitimate venue to hold clinics that will improve your car control skills OR SIMPLY REFUSE TO DRIVE IN THIS FASHION! Oh! - Wait! - what was I thinking! Existing motorsports facilities and parking lots all over the nation offer all manner of advanced driver training, and some of them FOR NEXT TO NOTHING! In my neck of the woods alone IRDC, Cascade, SCCBC, Team Continental, BMWCCA, PCA, Alfa Club, Mustang Club, Corvette Club, and Proformance all offer some level of driving events and instruction so you can LEGITIMATELY develop car control skills. I personally volunteer several days a year and instruct at these schools so I can give back to the sport that I enjoy so much. I instruct people with ALL kinds of cars, of ALL ages, and we always start with ME checking MY ego at the door, then the student doing the same. That clears the way for BOTH of us to have a great time while HUGE progress is made in car control. Your problem is not drifitng, or money, or your age - IT'S YOUR ATTITUDE! Am I asking you not to enjoy motorsports however you choose? Hell no! I'm asking you to set aside your angry, young, authority-hating ego and actually LEARN something before you kill yourself, or worse yet, someone else! Defending yourself by saying that you can't afford to follow an established path to developing some skill doesn't cut it either. I always laugh when young people say stupid things like "I can afford the car, just not the insurance." Uh - wake up, I think you might have taken repeated blows to the head! If you can't afford the insurance YOU CAN'T AFFORD THE CAR. It also follows that if you can afford to drift, YOU CAN AFFORD TO LEARN PROPER CAR CONTROL AND SAFETY! No one is MAKING you drift. Face it - cars are a luxury, you are not required to have one. Drifting is expensive, because it tears up equipment that it costs money to replace. For the cost of a couple of DJ Grunting Obscenities new CD's you could be lapping an actual racetrack and building some credible skills to back up that big talk. To responsible adults, choosing to drift on public roads says more about your lack of maturity and character than about your status as a spokesman for your responsibility-challenged peer group. You have been raised into an "immediate gratification" generation. Just becasue you want something, doesn't mean you should get it. Just because something makes you feel good, that doesn't make it right. If it is true that the "pro drifters" are trying to legitimize their activity by distancing themselves from the typical "stereo-punk" fan, then you should listen to them. Ten years from now, you will be realizing that almost anything worth having takes hard work and sacrifice, and that makes it TWICE as good when you actually EARN IT.