try the project MU TITAN they have a temperature range from 0-800 degrees I use it daily driving and occasional track and they are great. I used to have EBC red before but the TITAN stops better than it and isn't hard on the rotors either

 

I switched last year from Hawk Blacks to KFP Gold and am happy with the results. The KFPs are more expensive, but they run much cleaner and are basically street-friendly. KFP are formerly Cool Carbon.

The Hawks are ferro-carbon; the KFPs are carbon-kevlar, so they are easier on rotors and less brake goo is deposited on the rims and lower bodywork.

*** By the way, I have two sets of new Hawk Black HB-158 rear pads for sale in the 3rd gen parts section here. They fit FD and also FC rear calipers from 1985 on. ***

 

FOR THE TRACK I USE PORTERFIELD R4S
WORK GREAT. NO FADE

 

Folks..
Bar none, the best track pads are Performance Friction PF(range) pads or Hawk Blues. 1000s of track laps do not lie. I currently run PF93 on front and Hawk Blues rear. You may not believe it, but I have had the same pads in for more than 1 1/2 YEARS now.

A data point to remember: I run Porsche Big Red calipers front and Wilwood NDL calipers rear on a non ABS system with with twin manual master cylinders... track only. When I hit the brakes, the car STOPS from any speed. I get no fade because I run quality parts and I have dedicated cooling ducts.

The Z rated stuff from Performance Friction is not a track pad so it doesn't count. EBC, KFP, Carbotech, Ferodo and the others do not approach PF or Hawk's track compounds I mentioned above. Save yourself a lot of grief and money, learn from my experience and buy the best.

 

I'll echo what Brad has said. I've never used anything except Hawk Blues. I would use PFCs if I could afford them With the Hawk Blues I've never.. NEVER had any fade issues and a set of pads will last at least a season of hard track use. Friends have tried other pads to avoid the nasty Hawk Blue brake dust and all other pads have failed miserably: EBC Reds - worked well but gone in a day, Carbotech - fade, Porterfields R4S - some fade and worn out after only 4 track days, etc, etc. Listen to the man: Hawk Blues or PFC 93 or 01 compound.
Regards,
Crispy
- Ducted Mandeville Front Big Brakes with OE rears. (I may not be as fast as Barber but I got 500lbs more weight to slow down )

 

Thanks, Crispy...

I hope you are enjoying the CCWs.

A tip about Hawk Blue dust. Spray you wheels with Pam cooking spray (not the rotors, but the wheels) before a track weekend. Then spray them off along with the dust when you leave the track. no corrosive dust.

Also, Performance Friction PF range pads are totally organic and do not have corrosive particles in them.

 

I'm curious which Carbotechs faded? What weight of car, and what set up. I have not seen fade braking hard from 135 to 50 at Thunderhill in N.Cal. But I'm also relatively new to road racing(may be braking too soon). The car is an FC with stock brakes. Thanks, Carl

 

yeah, I'm kinda wondering too, I'm beating the hell out of my brakes, and I'm not getting fade out of my panthers, no ducts either. 2770lb car wet with driver, stock 4 piston FC brakes.

PaulC

 

IIRC this was a lightly modded FD (3000lb with driver) ~ 275RWHP with stock brakes. Driver is good and this was on Summit Point in WV. It's been a long time so details are vague
FWIW
Crispy

 

On silkworm's earlier praise I called carbotech. The guy I talked to was really knowledgeable and helpful, and set me up with a set of the panther plus for the track and a set of axxis ultimates for the street. So far they're worked great at the one track event I've done on them (1 hard day ar VIR, second day got rained out )

I'll be abusing them at pocono next weekend, I'll let everyone know how they turned out. I've been running them on the street since I'm waiting to get new rotors for my street fronts, so I don't have to re-bed all the time. They're noisy as **** when they have just a little bit of heat in them, and they dust like mad. Not recommended for the street. Once they're hot tho, stomp on the pedal and it's like you hit a wall.

EBC greens... I loved them on the street, and they survived my first event at VIR pretty much intact. (n00b driver!) My second event at VIR had them down to the backing plates in 45 minutes.

 

I run the Porterfield R4S as my street pad (aggressive/psychotic style) and they work great on the STREET. I did actually get them to fade some today but that was the first time ever. I've used them braking hard from 160+ mph, and they will stop pretty darn well.... One or two times

I took my car to Summit Point with Hawk Blues all the way around and those things are bad ***. They stop better than the R4S every time, all day, lap after lap.

Anyhow, that's my 2/100ths of a dollar on the matter.

Brian

 

BTW - If you want some good road race pads I've got a set of brand new still in the box Porterfield R4-E pads front and back. I just ordered the wrong ones, I dont race road courses much (eventhuogh I'd love to do it more) and I needed daily driver/road course pads.

Anyway, I paid $220 shipped for them 2 weeks ago. Let me know if you would be interested in taking them off my hands for $185 shipped. I need the money to buy some street pads.

SleepR1 told me he really liked them on the track and that he drives them to and from the track like your wanting to do.

BTW - The R4-E is Porterfields endurace pad (hence the "E") so this particular pad is designed spacifically for what your wanting.

STEPHEN

 

Sounds like a good deal to me, Tom. Better buy them or, I else I'll buy them out from under you LOL

 

good tip!!

 

EBC Greenstuffs fr/rr with FD Type RS/RZ calipers, rotors, RBF600: https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...07#post1763007

 

Brad,
What is your rotor life with the blues?

 

Just got back from an event on Pocono's east course with the Carbotechs. I didn't fade them, and they still look pretty new after this event and a day at VIR.

 

RSA...

Rotor life with Hawk Blues is fair, They are more aggressive (rotor wise) than PF pads. I ran the Hawks as a test on the rear calipers and plan to switch to PFs on the rear IF I ever run out of pad.

 

Tom, if you're not planning to swap pads @ the track, go with the Greenstuffs, or Type RS/RZ Sumitomo pads. If you are planning to change pads @ the track, then there are a few track-only pads that are streetable: Performance Friction PF 90/93, Porterfield R4/R4E, and Carbotech XP Plus/Plus. Hawk Blues or Blacks are NOT streetworthy at all. They will absolutely eat your rotors when cold (ask me how I know, Tom LOL ) FWIW, don't bother with HP Plus compound. They fade, while the Greenstuffs don't appear to fade (25-minute instructor group sessions of 8 to 9/10ths driving @ Mid Ohio May 8/9, 2003, MORPCA, www.morpca.org).

 

DO NOT use the greenstuffs on the track. I used them for two days at VIR, and they were ok(n00b drier), but the second time I went I braked much more agressively and nuked them in 25 minutes.

 

I had no problems with my EBC Greenstuffs with FD Type RS/RZ calipers, rotors, Motul RBF600 @ Mid Ohio! Perhaps you're overbraking?? Did you bed the Greenstuffs in? They need a good bedding in to be effective...

(I'm NOT a Noob Driver...72 days track time, 7 years experience, CIR PCA, MOR PCA, BMW CCA, SVTOA, TracQuest, MDC high speed drivers ed track instructor @ Putnam Park, Mid Ohio, Road America, Road Atlanta, Summit Point, Gingerman Raceway, Indianapolis Raceway Park)