which road race brake pad?
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which road race brake pad?
I'm about to put new rotors (plain brembos) on the front of my 360hp 3rd gen, which will be used 90% on the track for track days and driver schools. I was running front hawk blues/ stock rears before which I loved at the track, but of course could not use on the street because they eat rotors. I'm thinking of changing pads anyone have recommendations? I may try EBC reds, looks like they may be useable on the street and work pretty good on the track, has anyone tried these on the track?
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Hawk are the best from what I've heard.. you can do the HP Plus which are usable on the street.. I've got just the HP on my '90 TurboII and they seem to work pretty well, I'd imagine the HP Plus are even better for track driving.
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EBC Reds are garbage on the track, 3 hrs of running time max. I have picked up a set of HP+ and a set of Blues I will be trying the first few events this year.
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Carbotech XP, I've used all of the above, The EBCs are great, but gone after 90 minutes, the blues have a harder initial bite than the carbotech, but no better stopping distance(not as linear), The hp plus is ok for the street, but will fade quickly in track use. The Carbotech shows no rotor wear after three full weekends, very little dust, and is usable on the street. Blues are good, XPs are better. IMHO Carl Byck.
BTW this subject is easily answered via a search.
BTW this subject is easily answered via a search.
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heh, I agree with Carl (since I got him to try them), the Carbotech Panthers work excellent. I haven't moved to the XP version, I'm on the Plus version, and they've been great on my car. I also use panthers on my big Trans Am.
Note, this isn't a street pad. They don't work well at cold temps.
Note, this isn't a street pad. They don't work well at cold temps.
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Red Stuffs are junk pads, Tom, don't waste your money. I humbly recommend '99/'00 Type RS/RZ brake pads front/rear from Mazdaspeed Motorsports Development. They're on backorder right now (cuz I just tried to order another set). Outstanding track pad, and street pad. I've tried Carbotech Panther Plus, Hawk HP Plus, Porterfield R4-S, Performance Friction Z-rated, EBC Red Stuffs, and none can compare to the stock '99/'00 Type RS/RZ Sumitomo pads. The upshot is that the Sumitomos are very low dust too. Too good to be true? Maybe. Try a set, and you won't be disappointed
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I use EBS Greens for road...and Hawk Blues for track...
warning about the blues....u might want to wash/dust ur wheels after an event...my track wheels are not as "bling" anymore...
warning about the blues....u might want to wash/dust ur wheels after an event...my track wheels are not as "bling" anymore...
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How about hawk blacks? They are somwhere in between the Blues and the HP+
"High Performance Street Plus (Plus) – For more aggressive drivers, this dual purpose pad is a compromise design suitable for street use and some open track use. This pad has a higher coefficient of friction than the HPS pad. The optimum operational temperature range is 100-800 degrees F and, for short periods of time, up to 900 degrees F. Expect more dust and some noise in exchange for better braking.
Black Race – This is a good all purpose racing pad with a high coefficient of friction. Recommended for light duty Road Racing applications. The optimum operational temperature range is 200-900 degrees F. Pre-bedded.
Blue Race – These pads have a very high coefficient of friction, meant for severe duty racing with cast iron rotors. The optimum operational temperature range is 350-1000 degrees F. Pre-bedded. (Gas slotted rotors recommended)"
http://www.maximummotorsports.com/hawk.asp
"High Performance Street Plus (Plus) – For more aggressive drivers, this dual purpose pad is a compromise design suitable for street use and some open track use. This pad has a higher coefficient of friction than the HPS pad. The optimum operational temperature range is 100-800 degrees F and, for short periods of time, up to 900 degrees F. Expect more dust and some noise in exchange for better braking.
Black Race – This is a good all purpose racing pad with a high coefficient of friction. Recommended for light duty Road Racing applications. The optimum operational temperature range is 200-900 degrees F. Pre-bedded.
Blue Race – These pads have a very high coefficient of friction, meant for severe duty racing with cast iron rotors. The optimum operational temperature range is 350-1000 degrees F. Pre-bedded. (Gas slotted rotors recommended)"
http://www.maximummotorsports.com/hawk.asp
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Cossie, have you tried your Greenstuffs for hot lapping? I have them as back-up pads because the Type RS pads are on backorder...
Cossie, have you tried your Greenstuffs for hot lapping? I have them as back-up pads because the Type RS pads are on backorder...
I used them once...on my S4...it was ok....didnt last very long
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Manny, save the greens for the street, if you drive like me they are good for an hour before they are gone. The Carbotechs are the ****.Try the XPs while your waiting, I think you will be pleased. Regards
BTW, go to www.braidwheels.com go to three piece wheels check the Sepang, I am getting those in all black, 17x10, and 17x12 for 2045.00 delivered. Check the tech section as well. See ya later, Carl
BTW, go to www.braidwheels.com go to three piece wheels check the Sepang, I am getting those in all black, 17x10, and 17x12 for 2045.00 delivered. Check the tech section as well. See ya later, Carl
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Thanks guys, I was mostly looking for an opinion on the EBC reds, I'll try to order the mspeed rs pads. They will fit 93 brakes, right?? How were they carbotechs on the street? (did they eat the rotors just make a racket or not stop so good, or all three- I just need them to get to and around then home from the track..)
Tom
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The carbotechs are streetable, you just need to be aware that you will have longer stopping distance than stock when they are cold. Cold would be first thing when you are driving in the morning. put a mile or so on the freeway, and they are great. No visible rotor wear after 5 hours of track time. They do make a whirring noise with my slotted discs, Carl
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Originally posted by Carl Byck
Manny, save the greens for the street, if you drive like me they are good for an hour before they are gone. The Carbotechs are the ****.Try the XPs while your waiting, I think you will be pleased. Regards
BTW, go to www.braidwheels.com go to three piece wheels check the Sepang, I am getting those in all black, 17x10, and 17x12 for 2045.00 delivered. Check the tech section as well. See ya later, Carl
Manny, save the greens for the street, if you drive like me they are good for an hour before they are gone. The Carbotechs are the ****.Try the XPs while your waiting, I think you will be pleased. Regards
BTW, go to www.braidwheels.com go to three piece wheels check the Sepang, I am getting those in all black, 17x10, and 17x12 for 2045.00 delivered. Check the tech section as well. See ya later, Carl
http://www.braid.es/braidwheels/desm...erlagosENG.htm
Nice price on wheels BTW! Best of luck this season!
Last edited by SleepR1; 04-24-03 at 06:21 AM.
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Re: track pads
Originally posted by tom jelly
Thanks guys, I was mostly looking for an opinion on the EBC reds, I'll try to order the mspeed rs pads. They will fit 93 brakes, right?? How were they carbotechs on the street? (did they eat the rotors just make a racket or not stop so good, or all three- I just need them to get to and around then home from the track..)
Tom
Thanks guys, I was mostly looking for an opinion on the EBC reds, I'll try to order the mspeed rs pads. They will fit 93 brakes, right?? How were they carbotechs on the street? (did they eat the rotors just make a racket or not stop so good, or all three- I just need them to get to and around then home from the track..)
Tom
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Originally posted by diyman25
I use HAWK BLACK for auto cross and time trial . work great and price is pretty good too
I use HAWK BLACK for auto cross and time trial . work great and price is pretty good too
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Interesting that you use black compound for Solo II? The black compound needs some heat in them to work well?
Interesting that you use black compound for Solo II? The black compound needs some heat in them to work well?