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Old 04-22-03, 12:06 PM
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which road race brake pad?

I'm about to put new rotors (plain brembos) on the front of my 360hp 3rd gen, which will be used 90% on the track for track days and driver schools. I was running front hawk blues/ stock rears before which I loved at the track, but of course could not use on the street because they eat rotors. I'm thinking of changing pads anyone have recommendations? I may try EBC reds, looks like they may be useable on the street and work pretty good on the track, has anyone tried these on the track?
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I have not tried any of your other choices but my understanding is that they will not begin to approach the blues for on track duty.
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Hawk are the best from what I've heard.. you can do the HP Plus which are usable on the street.. I've got just the HP on my '90 TurboII and they seem to work pretty well, I'd imagine the HP Plus are even better for track driving.
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EBC Reds are garbage on the track, 3 hrs of running time max. I have picked up a set of HP+ and a set of Blues I will be trying the first few events this year.
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Carbotech XP, I've used all of the above, The EBCs are great, but gone after 90 minutes, the blues have a harder initial bite than the carbotech, but no better stopping distance(not as linear), The hp plus is ok for the street, but will fade quickly in track use. The Carbotech shows no rotor wear after three full weekends, very little dust, and is usable on the street. Blues are good, XPs are better. IMHO Carl Byck.
BTW this subject is easily answered via a search.
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heh, I agree with Carl (since I got him to try them), the Carbotech Panthers work excellent. I haven't moved to the XP version, I'm on the Plus version, and they've been great on my car. I also use panthers on my big Trans Am.

Note, this isn't a street pad. They don't work well at cold temps.
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PAUL AGREES WITH CARL, write that down....
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Old 04-22-03, 07:54 PM
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you can go to a less abrasive Hawk pad, right? theres gotta be something like that.
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I do not think so.
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Red Stuffs are junk pads, Tom, don't waste your money. I humbly recommend '99/'00 Type RS/RZ brake pads front/rear from Mazdaspeed Motorsports Development. They're on backorder right now (cuz I just tried to order another set). Outstanding track pad, and street pad. I've tried Carbotech Panther Plus, Hawk HP Plus, Porterfield R4-S, Performance Friction Z-rated, EBC Red Stuffs, and none can compare to the stock '99/'00 Type RS/RZ Sumitomo pads. The upshot is that the Sumitomos are very low dust too. Too good to be true? Maybe. Try a set, and you won't be disappointed
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I use EBS Greens for road...and Hawk Blues for track...

warning about the blues....u might want to wash/dust ur wheels after an event...my track wheels are not as "bling" anymore...
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How about hawk blacks? They are somwhere in between the Blues and the HP+


"High Performance Street Plus (Plus) For more aggressive drivers, this dual purpose pad is a compromise design suitable for street use and some open track use. This pad has a higher coefficient of friction than the HPS pad. The optimum operational temperature range is 100-800 degrees F and, for short periods of time, up to 900 degrees F. Expect more dust and some noise in exchange for better braking.

Black Race This is a good all purpose racing pad with a high coefficient of friction. Recommended for light duty Road Racing applications. The optimum operational temperature range is 200-900 degrees F. Pre-bedded.

Blue Race These pads have a very high coefficient of friction, meant for severe duty racing with cast iron rotors. The optimum operational temperature range is 350-1000 degrees F. Pre-bedded. (Gas slotted rotors recommended)"

http://www.maximummotorsports.com/hawk.asp
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I have seen Blacks EAT rotors on the street and they dust worse than anything I have ever seen man creat.
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blacks are for cars with brake bias valves
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Cossie, have you tried your Greenstuffs for hot lapping? I have them as back-up pads because the Type RS pads are on backorder...
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Originally posted by SleepR1
Cossie, have you tried your Greenstuffs for hot lapping? I have them as back-up pads because the Type RS pads are on backorder...

I used them once...on my S4...it was ok....didnt last very long
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Manny, save the greens for the street, if you drive like me they are good for an hour before they are gone. The Carbotechs are the ****.Try the XPs while your waiting, I think you will be pleased. Regards
BTW, go to www.braidwheels.com go to three piece wheels check the Sepang, I am getting those in all black, 17x10, and 17x12 for 2045.00 delivered. Check the tech section as well. See ya later, Carl
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track pads

Thanks guys, I was mostly looking for an opinion on the EBC reds, I'll try to order the mspeed rs pads. They will fit 93 brakes, right?? How were they carbotechs on the street? (did they eat the rotors just make a racket or not stop so good, or all three- I just need them to get to and around then home from the track..)

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The carbotechs are streetable, you just need to be aware that you will have longer stopping distance than stock when they are cold. Cold would be first thing when you are driving in the morning. put a mile or so on the freeway, and they are great. No visible rotor wear after 5 hours of track time. They do make a whirring noise with my slotted discs, Carl
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I use HAWK BLACK for auto cross and time trial . work great and price is pretty good too
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Originally posted by Carl Byck
Manny, save the greens for the street, if you drive like me they are good for an hour before they are gone. The Carbotechs are the ****.Try the XPs while your waiting, I think you will be pleased. Regards
BTW, go to www.braidwheels.com go to three piece wheels check the Sepang, I am getting those in all black, 17x10, and 17x12 for 2045.00 delivered. Check the tech section as well. See ya later, Carl
Carl, I have not tried the XPs, only the Plusses. Damned good compound, and very usable on the street (though not recommended for long-term street use). FWIW I do have a set of Porterfield R4E track pads to get me by, if the Greenstuffs aren't good for track lapping. What do those Braid wheels weigh? I like the Interlagos design, with hidden bolts, and mirror polish, 9.5 x 17, 50-mm offset (sound familiar LOL?)

http://www.braid.es/braidwheels/desm...erlagosENG.htm

Nice price on wheels BTW! Best of luck this season!

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Re: track pads

Originally posted by tom jelly
Thanks guys, I was mostly looking for an opinion on the EBC reds, I'll try to order the mspeed rs pads. They will fit 93 brakes, right?? How were they carbotechs on the street? (did they eat the rotors just make a racket or not stop so good, or all three- I just need them to get to and around then home from the track..)

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Tom I melted a set of Red Stuffs in one day @ Putnam Park. Not a good pad, trust me. The Type RS pads will fit the '93 to '95 US spec brakes, no problems. they are the same shaped pads front and rear. The Carbotech Panther and Panther Plus were fine on the street (lots of dust though...which is expected from a track pad). Cold stop was actually very good. On the track, they bit hard (high torque compound), but with very good release characteristics. When the Plusses were first released, the prices were very good. I think the prices have gone up since 2001, when I first tried them out. Now I'd say they are not the deal they used to be, and about as good as Porterfield R4Es (similar in price). You can also use R4Es (enduro compound) on the street to and from the track, but I don't recommend them for long-term use on the street. Best of luck!
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Originally posted by diyman25
I use HAWK BLACK for auto cross and time trial . work great and price is pretty good too
Interesting that you use black compound for Solo II? The black compound needs some heat in them to work well?
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Best way to get a weight on a wheel is email the factory. I will contact them, and let you know. Carl
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Originally posted by SleepR1
Interesting that you use black compound for Solo II? The black compound needs some heat in them to work well?
yes it need some heat same as my tires HOOSIER RS303 ( no budget to buy auto cross tires ) usually my first section is waste due to this two reason
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