Race Car Tech Discuss anything related to road racing and auto X.

Removing the Rubber onthe back of the hood at the fire wall for cooling??

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-21-14, 02:39 PM
  #1  
Rotary Freak

Thread Starter
iTrader: (5)
 
Tem120's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Miami
Posts: 2,824
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Removing the Rubber onthe back of the hood at the fire wall for cooling??

Ok ,sorry for thevague description ,I'm talking about the rubber spongy thing that follows thecontour of the firewall between the hood and the car


Now I've seen People lift the back of the hood a couple cm for cooling

and i've read people saying that removing that rubber causes a low pressure inside the enginebay with air going in through the back

I had removed mine , or well I never put mine on haha So i'm curious if the low pressure thing is true? or if not having that there helps with cooling ? or if its just really insignificant
Old 06-22-14, 12:04 PM
  #2  
Rotary Freak

iTrader: (1)
 
elwood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: https://t.me/pump_upp
Posts: 1,540
Received 24 Likes on 19 Posts
Originally Posted by Tem120
Ok ,sorry for thevague description ,I'm talking about the rubber spongy thing that follows thecontour of the firewall between the hood and the car


Now I've seen People lift the back of the hood a couple cm for cooling

and i've read people saying that removing that rubber causes a low pressure inside the enginebay with air going in through the back

I had removed mine , or well I never put mine on haha So i'm curious if the low pressure thing is true? or if not having that there helps with cooling ? or if its just really insignificant
If you look at a pressure map of a car in motion, the base of the windscreen is a high pressure area (relative to ambient), which is why some might say that it will push air back under the hood. This is the way cowl induction worked on some of the old muscle cars.

The other part of the equation is that the underhood pressure is also high relative to ambient, so it comes down to which pressure is higher -- above the hood or under the hood. Most things that I've read tell me the underhood pressure is higher, so it should help evacuate air.

I removed mine, and I don't know for sure which way the air is flowing. If you tape some strips of paper to the trailing edge of the hood, it might tell you for sure. I'd do it with my car, but it's not running right now.

BTW - cowl induction worked because the intake zone was kept separate from the underhood air.
Old 06-28-14, 04:54 AM
  #3  
Coming to a track near u!

iTrader: (5)
 
RacerJason's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Toronto
Posts: 3,858
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
We did this on our MS Protege racecar to aid in cooling, even stacked a few washers between the hood and hood hinge to give us a fraction more gap.
Old 06-30-14, 08:20 AM
  #4  
Rotary Freak

Thread Starter
iTrader: (5)
 
Tem120's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Miami
Posts: 2,824
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Originally Posted by elwood
If you look at a pressure map of a car in motion, the base of the windscreen is a high pressure area (relative to ambient), which is why some might say that it will push air back under the hood. This is the way cowl induction worked on some of the old muscle cars.

The other part of the equation is that the underhood pressure is also high relative to ambient, so it comes down to which pressure is higher -- above the hood or under the hood. Most things that I've read tell me the underhood pressure is higher, so it should help evacuate air.

I removed mine, and I don't know for sure which way the air is flowing. If you tape some strips of paper to the trailing edge of the hood, it might tell you for sure. I'd do it with my car, but it's not running right now.

BTW - cowl induction worked because the intake zone was kept separate from the underhood air.

thank you , My car isn't exactly running at the moment either , but I should get it back this week so seems like a fun little test to keep me entertained
Old 06-30-14, 08:24 AM
  #5  
Rotary Freak

Thread Starter
iTrader: (5)
 
Tem120's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Miami
Posts: 2,824
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Originally Posted by RacerJason
We did this on our MS Protege racecar to aid in cooling, even stacked a few washers between the hood and hood hinge to give us a fraction more gap.

yes I've seen exactly that on a few cars But at the same time there are those who are nay sayers on this ..

BUT! Like was stated above I think thats a good idea maybe I'll even record it using my pro go
Old 06-30-14, 08:28 AM
  #6  
Rotary Freak

 
WJM ROTARIES's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: MELBOURNE AUSTRALIA
Posts: 2,400
Received 305 Likes on 297 Posts
It will work . On my gen 1 race car with front hinged hood we use hood pins that have a 1 inch gap above hood where pins go in and as soon as you are moving above 60 mph the hood rises up 1 inch to touch the pins ,So there is more under hood pressure than on top
Old 08-11-14, 11:55 AM
  #7  
F**K THE SYSTEM!!

 
junito1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Florida
Posts: 2,585
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
^^ do you have an engine splash guard on your car? What happens if you have a full undertray panel.... it may lower under hood pressure,no?
Old 08-11-14, 12:14 PM
  #8  
Blood, Sweat and Rotors

iTrader: (1)
 
DriveFast7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: California
Posts: 3,742
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by WJM ROTARIES
It will work . On my gen 1 race car with front hinged hood we use hood pins that have a 1 inch gap above hood where pins go in and as soon as you are moving above 60 mph the hood rises up 1 inch to touch the pins ,So there is more under hood pressure than on top
This is correct. When I propped up the rear of the hood on my 1st gen both oil and water temps went down by 10*F. And yes the hood lifts up a hair on its own at speed.. Also when it's rainy, the hot air from underhood defrosts the windshield very very nicely. Without the factory blower/defroster vents/system.
Old 10-15-14, 03:44 PM
  #9  
Been here since dirt...

 
gawdodirt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: AZ
Posts: 327
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Guys,
Let's be clear on the terms lift and push. Push would be the underhood pressure pushing the hood up. Lift is the negative pressure on top of the hood "lifting " the hood from the outer surface.
It's not rising from underhood pressure. The air going over the front bumper, and the curve of the hood is a basic airfoil. It's lifting from lower pressure, (higher speed), on top of the hood. It may build more cowl pressure than underhood. 10 * change either direction may be instrumentation error. Unless it's thermocoupled and data recorded, it's a guess.

GD
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Th0m4s
Build Threads
25
02-26-19 02:04 AM
Leeroy_25
3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002)
4
08-17-15 12:53 PM
gabescanlon
Interior / Exterior / Audio
1
08-11-15 05:59 PM



Quick Reply: Removing the Rubber onthe back of the hood at the fire wall for cooling??



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:51 PM.