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Old 06-13-07, 06:21 PM
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need legal cage

does anybody sell a roll cage bolt or weld in kit for 89' rx7 needs to be nasa and scca legal and do people do sea welding them selves or send it out to a shop

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Old 06-13-07, 06:29 PM
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Legal for what class?
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Originally Posted by kendark2light View Post
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Sorry, can't help. Have guys here in NORCAL

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Since you are running an older car it isn't going to be showroom stock. So any other class in SCCA has to be a weld in cage. I'll be talking to a friend tonight or tomorrow that is in Lapeer, Mi. he restores Alfas but I'm sure he would know where to send you. As soon as I talk to him I'll get back to you. He's thrashing on a bunch of cars for a big vintage race at Mid Ohio at the end of the month so I don't know when I'll catch him.
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sweet and I forgot the m in seam welding do you think that guy can help me there to its aperisheated thanks
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as far as what class depends on how much I have to spend after the cage and seam welding
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whoa there!!! Double check the rules before you start seam welding. Many of the entry type classes don't allow it.

GCR says that IT cages must follow 9.4, Showroom Stock cage requirements. This means that bolt in cages are still legal in IT..

9.4.2. SHOWROOM STOCK ROLL CAGE
A. Full width roll cages are required in all Showroom Stock automobiles.
Roll cages installed in Showroom Stock automobiles are for driver
safety and shall be contained entirely within the driver/passenger
compartment without removing any panel or accessory not
specifically authorized in these rules. The carpet/padding may be
cut around the mounting base plates.
1. The cage need not be removable. It shall be bolted and/or
welded to the car.


That said, even though it is legal, for my own benefit, I would MUCH rather have a well built, well engineered, custom cage that fits my car, and my seat. You won't save that much money to do a bolt together kit.

Here is the closest cage builder I know to you. He might be able to point yo to someone closer....http://www.izzyscustomcages.com/
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Old 06-13-07, 10:50 PM
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thanks, it is going to be used for three things 1 road racing 2 street 3 drifting if Im good at it. so it could be used in a higher class... Im reading the scca rules right now.
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Sit down with your lawyer and see what the SCCA will let you do. lol
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Old 06-14-07, 12:13 AM
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sit down with my lawyer? WTF? please exsplaine that one to me I'ma little dense at the moment....... I was thinkin scca pro.please keep me postedwith you buddy on the cage thing
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here we go again...
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I take it you have seen some thing like this befor
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Old 06-14-07, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by kendark2light View Post
I was thinkin scca pro
No. You are thinking too much. Think IT for SCCA CLUB or PT for NASA with your car to get started in road racing. You'll need to get a license, safety gear, suspension, tires, and many, many, other things. It will set you back a minimum of a few thousand dollars just before you get to your first race.

Consider some HPDE or autocross stuff for your situation.

In answer to your question, Kirk Racing http://www.kirkracing.com/ made a weld in cage kit for the 2nd Gen many years ago. Not sure if they make a new legal kit but that's a place to start.
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didint want to do club was thinkin pro or solo 1 or solo 2
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Solo 1&2 don't require a full roll-cage, just a bar for solo-1 and nothing for solo-2.

As for Pro - if you are worried about how much money you have to spend then forget it. (If you have to ask how much it costs, then you can't afford it ).

Probably the cheapest entry level road racing for an FC is SCCA IT or NASA PT. Figure that the minimum build cost for a car to run in SCCA ITS is around $8k. And that car would be a back marker, it's probably $15k-$20k for something that's starting to get competitive. You can buy an already built car for less - there are some decently sorted out examples out there starting at about $8k+.

But as many folks will tell you - getting the car is often the cheapest part of racing. You have your race entry fees, budget for consumables (tires, brake pads & rotors, fluids, gas), transport to and from the track, lodging, etc.

I think what the previous posters were hinting at is that you need to do a lot more research into what you really want to do. Here's a hint: the search button is your friend.

If you want some other places to go for more information on competitive racing, here are a couple good links:

SCCA Improved Touring Forum: http://www.improvedtouring.com/

Go and buy Dave Gran's book: http://www.goaheadtakethewheel.com/

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I don't think SCCA Pro has a class for an 89 RX7. You can buy a Mazda 6. Seam weld it and spend $100-150k and go Speed TC racing. You can buy an RX8 and spend 80-100k and run the Grand Am Koni Series. Of course that doesn't include the consumables and crew. Figure on $10-20k per weekend. If you want to do it right. I'm sure you can run on a small budget, but I'm sure you want to be competitive.

Race cars are not street cars. If you want a race car, buy a truck and trailer to tow it with. Be prepared to turn it into a little ball and walk away from your investment.

Road race cars are not drift cars.

I'm not trying to crush your dreams, but you need to spend some time researching this before commiting to it
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thanks I just want it to be street legal not a daily driver and I have seen drift cars that are decent track cars and the more I read the scca rule books the more I'm thinking about an open class
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The first thing you have to ask yourself is how much money do you want to commit to this? Like others have said if that number is less then 100K then pro racing is out. TriPoint Mazda 6 $150k for the car and $25k per race. Koni cup 8k per race and $90k for the car, for a GS car double that. BTW if you wanted to be a juggler would you start with the chainsaws? Go do some track days in your car stock and see if you like it (like you won't) and the go buy something like this http://www.racingjunk.com/post/90243...ving-Sale.html This is one of the best deals out there and I can't believe that no one has grabbed it yet.
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Each SCCA regional club has a set of supplimental classes such as Radial Sedan, SPO, SPU, etc. Those are catch all classes that are less restrictive than IT and Prod. They're pretty pickey about the cage quality but the rest is pretty open.
As for solo 1... didn't that change to Track Trials? I'm not real familiar with the rules for that but I think you need a cage. However, I think you can participate with nothing more than a driver's license. And, you run on a race track inbetween the racing run groups.
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Club racing, bolt in ok

Pro racing, weld in cage is mandatory.

Drift, what ever you want to do, no rules.

Pro racing, weld in cage mandatory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Club racing ok, in certain classes. Show room stock etc!!

Call Scott at Izzy's custom cages, he is the nearest to you!
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I'm going to step back 3-4 years and think about where I was before I got hooked on this sport. I assumed that you needed to have the BEST car with a full cage, not to mention the super duper parts that race cars have.

Not true.

To begin, get your feet wet with autocross. You can run ANY car. There is no prep needed other than making sure it is safe (stock seat belts, battery tie down, brakes work, etc). Take a few weekends dodging cones, talk to the people you've met about where they go to play on a track. Most that I know run NASA HPDEs or SCCA Solo1. You will also learn car control at autocross which is always a plus.

Track days. If you though autocross was addicting, think again. Sign up for a NASA HPDE, and bring your STOCK car out there with decent brake pads and ATE Super Blue brake fluid. They will put an instructor in the car with you to tech you 1 - How to drive safely on ta track; 2 - How to bring your awareness UP and OUT so you actually see more; 3 - How to drive faster. It really is such a stimulating experience that you will NEED to go back over and over

Once you are a HPDE junkie and think you are fast, it MIGHT be time to start changing things on the car. For every go-fast part, buy one stop-fast part, one reliability part, and two SAFETY parts.

When you are judged competent, you may start time trials, SCCA Solo1 or NASA TT, etc. SCCA requires a 4-point roll bar for this, and personal safety gear like a fire suit. NASA does not.

If you are dead set on racing wheel to wheel at this point, take a comp school. I would recommend the SCCA Double-school to knock out the licensing quickly. You must have a fully prepared RACE CAR for comp school. You will become a rookie, and will have to complete several races before being granted a full license.

It is ONLY at this point that you need to see what series, club, whatever you want to race, be it NASA, SCCA, Trader Joes Ultra Cool Drift, etc.

All of the experience up to this point is teaching you HOW TO DRIVE - why? Because you don't know how, really. Track driving, drifting, autocross all require a level of car control you can't learn on the street, EVER.

It may seem a rant, but I am truly trying to point you in the right direction to being SAFE, and getting you on track as soon as possible. I thought about several ways to respond to this thread, and it took my fiancee saying "Don't you remember what it was like?"

I do. I was intimidated. I was nervous. I thought I was a good driver. I was wrong. The bottom line is this: go to an event. Talk to people. HAVE FUN - it's what all this is about.
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A lot of good info for you, hopefully a reality check.

My friend has isolated himself from the world trying to prep about 6 Alfas for a big vintage weekend at MidOhio at the end of the month. He doesn't answer his phone or emails.

Find out when/where the Detroit Reg SCCA meets monthly and go to a meeting. There are plenty of people that will do a cage for you, you will find them through the SCCA. Detroit region is a very strong racing region and you even have Waterford Hills race track close to you. Waterford has their own racing group that runs about 6 times a year and the races are open to spectators.

Unless you have a lot of money laying around and/or a shop full of tools stick with HPDE's and auto-x. You can drive the car there and be pretty sure you can drive it home.
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THank you everone I will take your words into consideration
I went to Izzy's web site but couldn't get specific prices so I'll just call him
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