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Old 09-02-03, 09:42 AM
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Question FD or Hachi Roku?

Up the street from my house, there is an oval race track where throughout the summer spectators bring their cars and race. The allwheel drive dsm's allways take it. This past weekend a 3000gt took it. Well, my question is what would do better on this track, an FD or a turboed hachi roku. For those of you who don't know what this is, it is a 84-87 Corolla GTS. Keep in mind that both cars will be weight reduced and have upgraded suspention. And yes, I know how to drive. Thanks for all your opinions.
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fd is way better
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FORD TAURUS!! YEEEE-HAA! Gotta love that Stock car racing! "The kind of racing that only requires you to know how to turn ONE direction!"

Have fun! haha
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hachi is good for drift but will not be as good at grip. what kinda track is this again?
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if its about speed it the fd wins no matter wat
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Originally posted by Chronos
FORD TAURUS!! YEEEE-HAA!
The Mach V farts in your general direction.
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Old 09-05-03, 11:02 PM
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Haha! Dirty French swine!! Your mother was a hampster and your father smelt of elderberries!
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Go and boil your bottoms, son of a silly person! O and the Mach 5 owns you.
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Old 09-06-03, 02:26 AM
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Nonsense! Ford Taurus >>> ALL!!
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Old 09-09-03, 03:01 PM
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Both have good potential...

We are talking about the 90's versus the 80's.

As for drifting, It doesnt matter what you drive but how you drive it.

Goodluck..
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Clearly the Hachi Roku would win. Didn't Initial D teach you guys anything?!
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Originally posted by TRUENOCOUPE

As for drifting, It doesnt matter what you drive but how you drive it.

Goodluck..

not really, its much easier to drive a hachi, the type of camber/caster as well as its light weight makes it a much better drift car.
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Old 09-10-03, 05:49 PM
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stay away from the hype please... get whatever you can afford.
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Just out of curiousity, how many track days have you been to Monkey?
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Silkworm, why do you even ask? No amount of loopty looping one-hand-on-the-steeringwheel-and-the-other-holding-a-can-of-BUDWEISER could ever amount to ONE day on a real race track!!




GOD I HATE STOCK CAR RACING
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Old 09-11-03, 06:27 AM
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Where is he when you need him?
The -7- can't loose!!!
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If Mazda is majority owned by Ford, does that mean you are correct in saying
FORD OWNZ JOOOOO!!
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Get some cheap POS because you're probably gonna wreck it
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What, ASSCAR? who gives a *****

hell i'd rather you get the FD and take it to the dragstrip than turn in an oval.

if i wanted to watch something go around in circles for two hours, i'd put a sock on my dog's tail.
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Well I would say an AE because it can take much more beating than FD if both are in stock trim, however if it is like a 1 mi. oval than HP is a big factor.
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AE86 all the way!!! Forget a turbo, get one of the JDM TRD 4A-GZE engines for it. 20V, variable timing, and 2 spark plugs per cyclinder with variable ignition timing.
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Originally posted by EpitrochoidMan
....with variable ignition timing.
God knows I have never seen another car with variable ignition timing
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Timing

Originally posted by EpitrochoidMan
AE86 all the way!!! Forget a turbo, get one of the JDM TRD 4A-GZE engines for it. 20V, variable timing, and 2 spark plugs per cyclinder with variable ignition timing.
Yes it is called a distributor with advance curve. Came out around the 30s.
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I OWNED an AE86. It's a complete POS. Step away from the brainwashing and try to see the truth. Drifting is for ricers (drift= rice: https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=229208 )

Buy the FD- it'll run CIRCLES around a POS AE86- I don't care WHAT motor or VTEC bullshit you put in it.

Unless you've OWNED one, please avoid commenting as you're spouting useless rhetoric.
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Old 10-07-03, 01:44 AM
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Umrswimr...the 86 is very cherished by Japanese race drivers and auto enthusiasts even in it's stock form (Sprinter Trueno GT-Apex). In it's modified form it's been a champion in many races. The fact that "ricers" jumped onto the bandwagon doesn't change the fact that it's still a "wonderful machine with first class fighting ability"

If you really don't beleive me, go look up the Best Motoring Hot Version where they pitted 2 Hachis against a $80,000 GT-R 34 Skyline on a flat road racing track. The 86's both passed the Japanese supercar and ended up with about a 2 second or so lead...the gap would have been much bigger on a downhill race most likely, which is the grounds for many japanese street racers, but irrevelant for this topic.

For a Oval racing track (god knows why anyone would ever want to drive around in a circle all day!) The FD would ofcourse be superior as it can pull a lot higher cornering force and has a greater power/weight ratio. I havn't heard of many people turboing an 86, it's mostly supercharged as in the case of the forementioned 4A-GZE. However, that engine does not have 20valves, the engine you are thinking of is off the '91-'95 AE101 and '95+ AE111 chasis' which is a FWD layout, the engine is far superior to the 4A-GE that came with the AE86. It has 4 independant throttle bodies as well as one extra intake valve per cylinder, the 1991-95 version that came on the AE101 had a 10.5 compression ratio which was replaced by the 95 and up version with a slightly higher compression ratio at 11 and a Manifold Air Pressure sensor instead of an Air Flow meter (we have a MAP in the FD). Both engines are extremely impractical for us though as they take extremely high octane fuel. I assume you'd want to drive the car on the street as well as the silly oval?

I've talked to the 2002 F-class? SCCA Autocross champion on a few seperate occasions at my local autocross. He had a new 4A-GZE powered car which he was experiencing heat issues with. His name is Takahisa Aono but some here may know him as Taka (no, not Taku from Initial D ) Anyways, it seems to me that you can't get much more than about 170-180hp @ the flywheel without extensive and expensive modifications. In a Best motoring video I own they have some of them in the 220-240hp range...and that's about as much power as you can abstract from the tiny 1.6L engine. Not bad in any sense all things considered, however, by no means the power monster you need on an oval track. You need either a much bigger engine or a rotary

here's a pic of the car also:

The 86 is a classic and it will continue to be for years to come, especially with it's newfound popularity in the states.

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