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Old 04-25-03, 11:33 PM
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Drifting parts

what parts could help me drift good in an rx7. it already has perfect weight desdrabusion. plus does brembo make a GT brake kit for 3rd gen rx7's tnx.
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Old 04-25-03, 11:36 PM
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Brake kit for 3rd gen? Do you have an FC or FD? If an FC, which model is it?
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Learn how to drift first. Then worry about upgrades later. It you're truly trying then you'll be plenty busy with maintenance in the meantime.

BTW, the weight distribution doesn't matter too much. Most of the most popular drift cars in Japan are not that close to 50/50 fr/rr balance. It's the skill of the driver that matters most.
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its the driver, just go and practice in a parking lot or something. all the stuff you are thinking about will help you when your going sideways at 60+mph, not 15-25mph you should be doing right now
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What does drifting have to do with racing? Somebody please delete or move this thread. The Race car tech forum is becoming corrupted with this junk.
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D1

In anycase, Id rather be in a car on a track with someone that can handle a slide rather then someone which will freak and not know wtf to do when things get sideways. Drifting is also a very useful technique, especially in Rally!
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How is D1 racing? Just because they use the term grand prix does not make it so. Racing involves competing against other to be the fastest around a track. Drifting is to racing like ballroom dancing is to track and field.
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Drifting has NOTHING to do with racing? Shhhh, don't tell racecar drivers that.




All because you don't recognize it as something legitmate for racing, does not mean squat. Please don't hate.
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dont knock it till you try it
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Old 04-27-03, 08:33 PM
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What does drifting have to do with racing? Somebody please delete or move this thread. The Race car tech forum is becoming corrupted with this junk.
You obviously know nothing about racing or you would see clearly how Drifting is Racing. Not a "race" in the sense that you line up and go against other drivers for 6 hours or so many laps. Drifting in its orginal meaning is something that every road racer knows about. It is used in Rally and many many other facest of "racing" as well.

In D1 Gran Prix the drivers are timed from different points on the track to determine speed; The line used to get through the corner or corners is also judged as well as Angle and style of starting, maintaing and ending the drift. Cars are also raced two at a time where one person tries to drive the same line angle and speed as the other without crashing or making a mistake. This is the basics of the purest meaning of racing. The more style, speed and angle of your drift the more points. If you can drift well you can drive road races, autocross basically anything well. The same cannot be said for the reverse.

You should open your mind, get some seat time and try drifting......and also you should read the fine print in this forum. It is for RACE CAR TECH........including autocross and any other type of motorsports!! I would imagine even if the administrators made a Drift only section someone like yourself would come in there and try to talk it down and make themselves feel smarter by degrading other peoples endeavors so If you don't like drift posts in here send a mail to the administrators but do not tell people what is racing and what is not when obviously you don't have a clue.
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1. personally, I could care less if this is in here or not

but 2.

is it racing? The ididorod is racing. the 100m dash is racing. The Tour de France is racing. Winston Cup is racing. What isn't racing? Figure Skating Championships. Why include Skating? Because it's based on subjective measurements of the participants skill by judges. You don't win D1 championships, from what I understand, by the fastest time, you win based on a judges assessment of your skills and abilities to get a car to drift in a 'perfect' manner on a perfect line.

Is it motorsports (and therefore has a place in this forum, based on the 'fine print)? Yes, in my opinion. Are there applications for drifting techniques in certain forms of racing? Yes. Does drifting take a lot of skill? Hell yes. But it's not racing, so please don't try to call it that.

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Originally posted by Ranzo
You obviously know nothing about racing or you would see clearly how Drifting is Racing.
Please enlighten me? At what point do drifters compete against each other in a non subjective measurement to determine the winner of an event? Many of the same aspects can be seen in road racing and rally driving as in drifting, however neither of the former events enompases the latter at all. Road racers and rally drivers do not drift. Drifting is the art of placing a car sideways through multiple turns in an artistic manner. At no time is the goal of someone in a race (be it road or rally) to gain style points. Road, rarely, and rally drivers (mostly on non-paved surfaces) will use large slip angles but the goal is not to look good going sideways through the corner. Just because ice racers and figure skaters use skates does not mean one activity is the same as the other.



If you can drift well you can drive road races, autocross basically anything well. The same cannot be said for the reverse.
Are you kidding? Maybe you need to try running both drift and speed events? Different skill sets are required




You should open your mind, get some seat time and try drifting......and also you should read the fine print in this forum. It is for RACE CAR TECH........including autocross and any other type of motorsports!!
Then the title of this forum needs to be changed. If any motorsport is allowed than why call it race car tech? I suggest we rename it motorsports forum and at that point we can invite show cars and dirtbikes to this forum howver the traffic is going to be a pain in the *** to wade through.



I would imagine even if the administrators made a Drift only section someone like yourself would come in there and try to talk it down and make themselves feel smarter by degrading other peoples endeavors so If you don't like drift posts in here send a mail to the administrators but do not tell people what is racing and what is not when obviously you don't have a clue.
Wouldn't imagine it. Many of my friends are into drifting and more power to them. Its not what I like doing with my weekends. The problem is that I found this forum a refuge from the buzz on the main list. Now I find myself more and more having to dig through irrelevant topics to find anything of worth. If I'm the only one that feels that way I have no problem leaving and just monitioring the race forums that deal with racing on other sites. But I've met several of the members here at races and would like to stay around.
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Ok ok... so it seems that some people are going against drifting and think it is stupid. That is how I interpreted the first post. I am heavily into drifting and compete on a national level in Japan. I also do regular races where you qualify and compete against other cars. I have lap times on 3 different circuits in japan also Organize and compete in autocross every month. The skill set for all of these events overlap each other. The line for drifting is not much different than a "grip"line and in a lot of cases at road courses drifting a corner will give you faster lap times.

I tend to take a liking to this particular forum as well because people who actually race their cars are posting in here and there are topics concerning skill and techniques as well as what parts aid drivers. In that aspect I do not want to argue about what post goes where in a forum unless it is total garbage. I do see the point on drifting differing from other races however since the parts and skills required to do both are overlapping I see no problem with drift posts being made in this forum.
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ok, when in the hell did drifting become "just for show"? there are several facets of drifting in japan: the D1 style show off type, the mountain street racer, and the road racing style. these are all totally different types of motorsport. one is judged for who looks the best and can hold the back out longest, one is who can stay on the road with out dying and impress the crowds, and the last is for speed. if any people argue that drifting is slower than grip, be sure you know what the hell your talking about before you pipe up. of course D1 is slower than grip, speed isnt the soul of the sport. if anyone wants to see an example of drift Vs grip, download the Jun Supra drifting video from kazaa or some other site. the lap time drops by like 5 seconds when the supra uses drift.
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Interesting, then if that's the case, why aren't the JGTC guys doing just that? I watched the 6 races that Speed TV put up in January, they weren't drifting.. If it were really 5 seconds faster, they'd do it wouldn't they? But ok, I'm downloading this vid now, let's see what you're talking about.
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Old 05-05-03, 01:42 AM
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Ugh, 1.28kb/s.. This will take all freaking night.. I'll watch it tomorrow
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Old 05-05-03, 01:48 AM
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oh and if you would like to see how the JGTC cars' tires would hold up after like 15 laps of drifting, thats like 12 tire changes...uggghh...not good for budget, or for track times (overall) if they used grip, they would obviuosly win due to all the tire stops of the drifters JGTC is not souly about speed either, its got the stamina factor as well
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Ok, much better, up to 120kb/s now.. Watching the first half, I'm struck by something critical.

Did they change the setup for the 'grip' portion to suit a 'grip' car, or did they try to 'grip' drive a car setup for drift, in which case, I could easily see that setup causing a 'grip' driver to be 5 seconds slower.
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oh and while your waiting on that jun supra vid DL this one too: Silvia Rx7 drift. these guys seem to bee about the speed not the style! its about a minute long so u dont have to wait all night
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im not sure on that one buddy, im sure it would make a difference tho...the one i saw didnt show any in between, just the two laps adn the times at the end.
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sheesh we really ninja jacked the hell outta this guy's thread--sorry man. a good camber kit helps out alot if you wanna get sideways, and a good, steady power band helps you control you car a bit better (no unexpected BOOST!) and anything you can do to stiffen the chassis will help alot (body roll is the devil!)
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Wrap your noodles around this one. Many of the JGTC drivers are also some of the top drifters in Japan.
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also im assuming that since there is no noticable camber on the supra, it is set up for a mix of drift and grip, just a happy median, i think they were going for a fair show of which is potentially faster with the right driver.
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check out page 33 of "secrets of solo racing" by henry a. watts...
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Ok, I watched it, they didn't list a lap time for the drift portion, as far as I could see..

You can clearly see that he's slower down the front straight after that tire blistering slide as well..

Sorry, I don't think that video supports your argument at all.

I'm not surprised that a lot of JGTC drivers are top drifters, it takes a great deal of car control skill to keep your car spinning and sliding in a controlled fashion, such as they do.

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