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Old 09-18-12, 09:38 PM
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wrong....if you have not noticed the winners of the races have cars built way over 500 bucks.and i have been to over 15 chumpcar races and its very rare they ding you for upgrades.when there are 100 plus cars they seem to lose track of looking at every little thing.

we have alot of upgrades they look at the car for 5 sec and say have fun.and people who say its a 500 series bla bla just dont get it really.trust me there is a reason that lead car and top 10 are 6 sec a lap faster and it aint luck.

as far as the swap thing im not saying dont do it but dont say its because its faster or better than a rotary because i have also yet to see a swap rx7 win or even come close.in chumpcar

sorry i like to go fast and try to win at least and your not going to do that with a motor running emmisions and stock exhaust and 25 year old thrown together parts.it just aint gonna happen ever
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The inspections vary depending on who is doing them. Here in CA, Chump dings me for everything on the RX7. 50 bucks for K&N, 50 bucks for Header, 50 bucks per swaybar(before I modded the stock ones). I have to carry around the cutoff coils with pictures of me cutting them so they don't it me for that. On the Jag, they bend over backwards to get it in as a $500 car They call it an XJ6 with a zero value V12 swap so I can get a $500 AIV. Lemons doesn't penalize me with either car.

If you want to cheat or go around the spirit of what they are trying to do, go ahead. i just wouldn't advertise it on a forum.
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I have an E28 535i big six 5 speed for sale. My team has disbanded and I don't have the time or space for it anymore. It's currently not running due to a melted engine harness. I have a new (used) harness that's about 50% installed.

Things to get it back in action:

Complete the fuse box rewire and rebuilt the shift mechanism. It broke twice at the last Chump race and it's currently rigged at the moment. The car can be placed in gear, but the geometry of the shift lever is way off. It was a quick fix to get us back in the race.

The car comes w/ a spare head and various motor spares, power steering pump, alt, plug wires, etc.

Here's a copy of the spreadsheet:

BMW- 350
Bilstein shocks- 515 -
Shifter rebuild- 98.09 -
Water temp sensors- 30
Battery- 98 -
Borbet wheels- 374.95
Dunlop Star Spec- 608.48
Hawk HP+ (rear pads)- 108.68
Rear rotors, front pads, brake lines, fuel filter, oil filter, Super Blue, hood pins- 435.05
Front rotors- 108.27
Muffler- 328.33
Exhaust manifold gaskets- ?
oil and batt hold down- 37
Recaro seat mount- 180
Brake bomb, drive shaft bearing- 188.80-
Tow truck- 100
Hood pins- damn hood latch broke.
Motor mounts- 35
Sway bar braket- 3.22
CV boot kit- 28.72
Trailing arms- 35
Master cyl grommets- 5.30
Dis cap- 49.55
Dis rotor- 18.55
Valve cover- 4.18
fuel filter- 11.20
Spark plugs- 23.76
Autozone- (oil change, filter, fuel filter, FPR grommet)- 78.31
Autozone- (belts) 9.52
Pepboys- feeler gauges $7
Drive shaft- 467.86
Diff mount- 172.95
OG- 37.15 Mirror brackets
Home Depot- glue/rollers- 16
RP Performance- (Kill switch, welding) $612
$163.65 at OG for decals, mirror (less bracket), roll bar padding, kill switch
$35.51 at Home Depot on wiring
$15.86 at AutoZone for Exhaust Tape
$1155- Roll cage
$180- muffler repair
$225- exhaust manifold repair
$1600- Used 3.5 motor and new exhaust system.


Essentially, with a little work you'll have a VERY competitive car and for less than 1/3 it took us to build it. We have invested close to 8k

I'm looking for 3,500 w/ all the spares or I'm just going to part it out. Brakes and tires have less than an hour one them.

Let me know, Patrick

harris.patrick@gmail.com

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Old 09-19-12, 04:05 PM
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OBO. Can assist with delivery.
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FWIW, an E28 won the overall at last weekend's Lemons Thunderhill race. I think it's won 3 races this year including a true 24 hour.
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MSR is coming up the 29th and 30th.

Finally looks like the RX2 is going to do what we wanted to do...

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Originally Posted by 7dust
MSR is coming up the 29th and 30th.

Finally looks like the RX2 is going to do what we wanted to do...

Put THIS:



Into THIS:





I so wish I could do an A&D with that thing. Can't do that weekend. Season ender?
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Not really planning on bringing the RX2 to the season ender. ECR munches brakes and the RX2 is really lacking in that category.

Right now plan to bring just the RX7. However, after MSR next weekend things might change.
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Originally Posted by 088
I like your driving style.
Our finest moment from Thunderhill. I'm glad my driver didn't hit anyone!
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Originally Posted by coolcars44
as far as the swap thing im not saying dont do it but dont say its because its faster or better than a rotary because i have also yet to see a swap rx7 win or even come close.in chumpcar
And, I've never seen a rotary win or even come close either, but I have seen cars with engine swaps win. First 10 seconds of this vid shows a V6 swapped FC pass a rotary FC like it's standing still. It's only the swapped car's 3rd race, so all the bugs haven't been worked out. It is the rotary car's 10-12th race.


Same with @ 1:52 on this vid

At the Daytona race, this car was .4 seconds off the leader's best lap time.

Originally Posted by coolcars44
sorry i like to go fast and try to win at least and your not going to do that with a motor running emmisions and stock exhaust and 25 year old thrown together parts.it just aint gonna happen ever
who says you need to run stock exhaust, emissions, and 25 year old parts?
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Originally Posted by Eat-Pez
And, I've never seen a rotary win or even come close either,
We won the Denver LeMons race 3 years in row with a 1980 RX7. We finished 5th at MSR Houston our first race. We finished 2nd at Pueblo with Chumpcar...


Stock engine, trans, rearend, springs, and swaybars.

We have a header and we stripped the carb. That's it. The car went on an extreme diet and we put on some used tokiko shocks. We did some fancy pants stuff with the alignment which required grinding and welding but cost us nothing.

It TRULY is a $500.00 car.

P.S. We DON'T turn the fastest laps of the race and regularly get passed in the straights.

Have fun with your motor swapped cars and your horrible gas mileage. Our 12A uses about 4.7 GPH.
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Originally Posted by wvumtnbkr
We won the Denver LeMons race 3 years in row with a 1980 RX7. We finished 5th at MSR Houston our first race. We finished 2nd at Pueblo with Chumpcar...
Awesome, congratz

Originally Posted by wvumtnbkr
Stock engine, trans, rearend, springs, and swaybars.
Us too. Just a different stock engine and trans.

Originally Posted by wvumtnbkr
We have a header
Us too, cos stock exhaust manifolds wouldn't fit between the frame rails. but we made the mid headers with 3 U bends cut in half, and beat a 4"-3" reducer into shape for our collector. Cost about $45.

Originally Posted by wvumtnbkr
The car went on an extreme diet and we put on some used tokiko shocks. We did some fancy pants stuff with the alignment which required grinding and welding but cost us nothing.
We've gone on a diet, and played with the alignment, but no grinding/welding yet.

Originally Posted by wvumtnbkr
It TRULY is a $500.00 car.
Ours too, especially since we sold the blown rotary pullout for more than we bought the replacement.

Originally Posted by wvumtnbkr
Have fun with your motor swapped cars and your horrible gas mileage. Our 12A uses about 4.7 GPH.
Will do. BTW, we burn about 5 GPH (sometimes more, sometimes less, depending on the driver), with 2x the power of a 12A. And my LS1 FD gets 30mpg on the highway, with 4x the power of a 12A.... but that's for another thread.
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I'd imagine our FC is the fastest rotary powered Lemon out there. When the car is running right, we make the RX7 boinger swaps our bitch.

It has about 220 - 240hp to the ground depending on boost levels and general engine health.

If we are familar with the track we are routinely in the top 5 fastest lap times. Last MSR race, we were 2nd fastest. (and we are terrible drivers).

However, as it was outlined above the problem with raising horsepower in a rotary is not really the breakage so much as the fuel consumption. You just can't stay out long enough without refueling. We are okay with that - we know we will never win, we just like to hoon, party, and make people giggle.
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Originally Posted by 7dust
I'd imagine our FC is the fastest rotary powered Lemon out there. When the car is running right, we make the RX7 boinger swaps our bitch.

It has about 220 - 240hp to the ground depending on boost levels and general engine health.

If we are familar with the track we are routinely in the top 5 fastest lap times. Last MSR race, we were 2nd fastest. (and we are terrible drivers).

However, as it was outlined above the problem with raising horsepower in a rotary is not really the breakage so much as the fuel consumption. You just can't stay out long enough without refueling. We are okay with that - we know we will never win, we just like to hoon, party, and make people giggle.
I can remember when your car was yellow and didn't have anything on it! I think that was February of 2009.

That was our first race.
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Originally Posted by wvumtnbkr
I can remember when your car was yellow and didn't have anything on it! I think that was February of 2009.

That was our first race.
Were y'all the ones who got hit in the rear and mutilated the rear end?i remember there was a couple fbs out there
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Originally Posted by 7dust
MSR is coming up the 29th and 30th.

Finally looks like the RX2 is going to do what we wanted to do...

Put THIS:



Into THIS:






If anyone is wondering, the answer to that equation is THIS:



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Terrifying. Good to hear on the Lemons forum that the driver wasn't smashed to bits.

(and sorry about the RX-2. Beautiful little car.)
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I'm the driver.

Rolled it 4 or 5 times at about 80mph when another car hit me in the rear and put me into a spin.

My vision and mental clarity are a little messed up still. My left arm is fractured and swollen.
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Originally Posted by patfat
i have an e28 535i big six 5 speed for sale. My team has disbanded and i don't have the time or space for it anymore. It's currently not running due to a melted engine harness. I have a new (used) harness that's about 50% installed.

Things to get it back in action:

Complete the fuse box rewire and rebuilt the shift mechanism. It broke twice at the last chump race and it's currently rigged at the moment. The car can be placed in gear, but the geometry of the shift lever is way off. It was a quick fix to get us back in the race.

The car comes w/ a spare head and various motor spares, power steering pump, alt, plug wires, etc.

Here's a copy of the spreadsheet:

Bmw- 350
bilstein shocks- 515 -
shifter rebuild- 98.09 -
water temp sensors- 30
battery- 98 -
borbet wheels- 374.95
dunlop star spec- 608.48
hawk hp+ (rear pads)- 108.68
rear rotors, front pads, brake lines, fuel filter, oil filter, super blue, hood pins- 435.05
front rotors- 108.27
muffler- 328.33
exhaust manifold gaskets- ?
Oil and batt hold down- 37
recaro seat mount- 180
brake bomb, drive shaft bearing- 188.80-
tow truck- 100
hood pins- damn hood latch broke.
Motor mounts- 35
sway bar braket- 3.22
cv boot kit- 28.72
trailing arms- 35
master cyl grommets- 5.30
dis cap- 49.55
dis rotor- 18.55
valve cover- 4.18
fuel filter- 11.20
spark plugs- 23.76
autozone- (oil change, filter, fuel filter, fpr grommet)- 78.31
autozone- (belts) 9.52
pepboys- feeler gauges $7
drive shaft- 467.86
diff mount- 172.95
og- 37.15 mirror brackets
home depot- glue/rollers- 16
rp performance- (kill switch, welding) $612
$163.65 at og for decals, mirror (less bracket), roll bar padding, kill switch
$35.51 at home depot on wiring
$15.86 at autozone for exhaust tape
$1155- roll cage
$180- muffler repair
$225- exhaust manifold repair
$1600- used 3.5 motor and new exhaust system.


Essentially, with a little work you'll have a very competitive car and for less than 1/3 it took us to build it. We have invested close to 8k

i'm looking for 3,500 w/ all the spares or i'm just going to part it out. Brakes and tires have less than an hour one them.

Let me know, patrick

harris.patrick@gmail.com



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Just FYI -- we have Chumpcar seats available at the Sonoma race Dec. 8-9th!

https://www.rx7club.com/race-car-tec...h-9th-1019131/
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We have two seats available, also. In a first-gen RX7. $700 for a seat in a car with 4 drivers.

This is our team site: https://sites.google.com/site/leftoverpartsracing/



Originally Posted by 088
Just FYI -- we have Chumpcar seats available at the Sonoma race Dec. 8-9th!

https://www.rx7club.com/race-car-tec...h-9th-1019131/
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Anyone planning on New Year's Eve at Laguna Seca?
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We're not planning on going. Been jumping in the ocean every year for the last 22 years with the rugby club. Been doing it long enough now that I can't break the streak. I am happy to see that they changed away from the dumb tag team idea for Laguna Seca. Paying full price for half the racing time seemed stupid to me. Love the track though, maybe do it in March although that would be back to back race weekends with Lemons at Sonoma the weekend before. Was planning on bringing only the new car I'm building to Sonoma which would free up either the Jag or the RX for Laguna.

If more than one of us does do any of the Laguna races, we should team up for pit stops. There was only 2 of us so we needed both to be out of the car during refueling. Would have been nice to borrow someone to hold the fire extinguisher so the driver could strap in during refueling.

I'm thinking of getting a jump on the 2014 Chump rules and installing fire suppression in the cars this year. I'm leaning strongly towards a 3 nozzle over a 2 nozzle. Is the loss of pressure/volume for the 3rd nozzle neutralized by the larger tank? Am I making things worse by adding the 3rd nozzle? It seems obvious that the 3rd one would only be good but I just wanted people's opinions. Only one of the cars has a fuel cell, the RX and Jag have the tank in the stock location with the Jag's (23 gallon!) tank behind the rear seat.
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Originally Posted by 088
Anyone planning on New Year's Eve at Laguna Seca?
I love that track. I don't think I can get enough drivers but so tempting.
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Originally Posted by 088
Just FYI -- we have Chumpcar seats available at the Sonoma race Dec. 8-9th!

https://www.rx7club.com/race-car-tec...h-9th-1019131/
We'll be there with the Pikachubaru. I was hoping it would rain, but looking sunny for the weekend.

Jim


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