fong

iTrader: (77)

True story.
I was selling this guy a s4 TII OMP for just $35 shipped. first, he wants me to ensure that is a working OMP. then I said that OMP came from a car with blew apex seal engine. by common sense, that is a working OMP. also, I told him that even though I put it on a test car, then there is no way I can prove the OMP is working CORRECTLY. what kind of testing is enough to sell the $35 part?

after all these explaination, finally, he took the deal, and paypal me with unconfirmed address. so, I confirmed the correct shipping address with him via PM. so, I sent it out via USPS priority mail, even though he didn't ask for. normally, if there is not much different, I will ship things out via the quickest way.

so, after two weeks(something like that), he PMed me about the OMP, saying that he didn't get it yet. then I told him I will check with post office. so, this Monday, I checked with post office, the manager told me that mostly, the package has been delivered with priority(she was pretty sure by their lost package rate with priority), and there is a chance that someone else pick it up from the address since mail man leave the package in the front door/or somewhere they think it is safe. but that is totally subjective.

then I returned the guy with what I found out. right away, here is what I got:
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There are NO KIDS in the area ! its an industrial district in MIAMI , if you put the EXACT address that I gave you on it , it would have gotten here already .
So what are you saying ? are you saying that , you sent it already , so even if I did not get it , thats just my hard lock ?
I already paid ! , what ever or whoever YOU choose to send the package with was/ is your choice I have no control over that , If you did not put the correct address on the package as I suspect , this again your fault ! , you have to take responsability for this ! I cannot be the one whose loosing out here !
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then I replied with this:
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hey, it seems like you woke up on the wrong side of the bed. I didn't expect you blaim me for that. now I know that you just want to get some free part, and give me hard time. I state it again that I sent it out via the address you told me, and I confirmed that with you.

I guess that I say that you gave me the wrong address, or you lie about not getting it. how is that? you think that I will take your $35 to become a millioniar? how would you make that assumtion, without any thing to base on? and blam me for post office's responsibilities?
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then he said:
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I woke up on the wrong side of the bed ? this thing has beeen going on WAYYYYYYYY TOOOO LONG !
You think I'll lie about not getting it ? , what will two OMP's do for me ???????? I want a free part ? ,If I wanted a free part I wouldn't have PAID for it !!!! in fact I paid without even trying to beat down your price !!!!
I have seen people write the wrong address although I always give them the right one , seems like sombody always want to leave out something from my shipping info !
What I am saiyng is , if you decide to sell someone something and you receive payment , YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE until the person get waht they pay for , if it is lost in the mail YOU have to recover the money from the post office (or whoever ) and refund the person.
If for what ever reason the item is lost it is not right that the person comes out the looser , all I did was PAY for my item ! , why should I have to loose if YOU or your COURIER SCREWS UP !
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the I said:
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first, I don't know you in person, how do I know that you didn't lie.

second, how do you know that I wrote the wrong address? you are just guessing, and then trying to blam me for everything.

third, how do you know that there is no one else pick it up? you know your area, but I don't. I don't trust it.

afterall, I don't think that it is fair to blam the seller for everything. if you were me, what would you think?
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the story will go on. what do you guy think?

it seems like it would have been good idea that we(seller) need to ship stuff out with signature service to prevent all these troubles. lost of package doesn't happen very often, but when it happens, and deal with a crazy guy like that, what can you say about it?

fong

iTrader: (77)

BTW, I can refund this guy easily with that money, which I was going to. I just take that as lesson, and move one. but didn't expect this guy return with some *****, and started this fights. now, I am just pissed

in my first reply, I didn't/wouldn't mention that there is a chance that he is a lier. I was trying to be nice, even though I kind of speculate that since the beginning of the deal when he asked me so many many times to confirm that is a working OMP.

Unholy FD3S

who the **** is this joke

is he a member on here ?

I bet you 100 bucks he got the item. He is going crazy over a 35 dollar part just to look like he is really pissed.

Dudes a liar.

fong

iTrader: (77)

I forgot to mention that I told him that I can scan the receipt and send the copy to him. he is one of the forum members here.

Update with his latest reply:
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As I said the seller is the one who is responsible for geting the item to the buyer , if not you who then , the mail man ? You should be responsible enough to used a reputable company ? ,I would have used a company from whome I could get a tracking number so that I would see if who signed for recieving it . You dont know me ? , well guess what I dont know you either , how do I know you're not lying ? . I trusted you and in good faith I sent you my money , now I'm hearing all this crap ?
Yes I'm guessing that you may have written the wrong address , this is the only logical explanation I can come up with ! , other than you scamming me ! . At least I'm trying to offer an explanation ! , you oon the other hand keep telling me about your post office , I think you need to go to your post office and find out what happened to my pump !
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I don't know what else to explain to him, cuz he wouldn't listen, and just jump up/down like monkey for that $35, and want me to take all the responsibilies.

I checked with post office, even though delivery confirmation would not guarantee the package delivery to the right person. the only way to ensure that is do signature delivery, don't leave any package in the front door.

gxl87turbo

iTrader: (15)

what a tool, and not the band TOOL because they are cool

teamfuel

I have dealt with too many idiots like this on ebay...I always ship with signature required!

jamespond24

iTrader: (13)

Give his user name so we could stay away from him if he's a member.

Rx-7Doctor

iTrader: (13)

1st of all if you sent it with delivery confirmation then you would have the date that it was delivered. 2nd,if it was sent to the wrong address then it can take up to 3 weeks to get it back. Because it was sent priority mail if it made it to the wrong address it will be sent back to the return address that you have listed on the package.

Did you re-confirm that the address that you sent it to was the address that was given by the buyer?
Also what does a blown apex seal have to do with whether it is a working or non-working OMP. A S4 OMP is mechanical and can be tested for output per the FSM.

And you could also have checked with the post office that it was sent to. They will tell you when the carrier is in for the route that it was going to and let you speak to that person to see if they remembered anything.
I do not see anything in any of the conversation log so far that is pointing to a scam.

Also why does it seem strange that he wanted to make sure that it was a working product?

fong

iTrader: (77)

1)I sent it out priority mail w/o delivery confirmation.
2)I haven't see anything returned back to me yet. I confirmed the address with the guy, and don't think I wrote down the wrong return address.
3)Yes, s4 OMP is just mechanical, that is what I explained to him. but he kept asking me if I should put it on the car to test it.
4)it is not strange that a person to confirm a working condition of the part, but it is strange that the person keep asking you to confirm the condition, and insist you to test it out in the car. it is easy for a window switch, but how do you test out a engine harness, or oil pump in side the engine?

I did talk to post office. and according to what they(manager) said, even a delivery confirmation will not prove the right person receive the package. you will need signature delivery confirmation, which costs more.

delivery confirmation: just tell you when they deliver the package. mail man just drop off the package, but not directly to the person's hand.

signature delivery: this service requires the person to pick up the package at post office with Valid photo ID. that is guarantee.

so, bottom line is if the person lies about getting the package, you can't really prove it unless you use signature delivery. all USPS, Fedex, UPS offer that with extra money.

FJDRX7

iTrader: (32)

have the same problems with a few individuals in this forum, just like you, they take advantage of the cheap parts they find here "not retail price", so when they see is priority mail and thats it, us triying to save them more money on the deal, and baamm, send a complaint to paypal and a lot of pm's about them not receiving the stuff, so thats why i send them UPS, dont care if the stuff cost more to ship that the actual solenoid or bolt, with UPS or fed ex the item is insured, a tracking number is provided, and no worries, and in the future dont sell them anymore parts, simple
My 2 cents

Amur_

Consider it a lesson learned for next time: if it's a relatively low-dollar sale and the guy is giving you weird mojo, don't sell to them. Somebody else will want it sooner or later.

Rx-7Doctor

iTrader: (13)

Yes, and it is your responsiblity when you take someones money for product to ensure that it gets to that person. If that means signature confirmation then do it that way and just charge for the service. Tell the person that the package will have to be signed for and if they don't want it shipped that way then don't do the sale. It also means that if something goes wrong that you are on the phone or go in person to the post office to get answersl And even if you have to contact the post office in the City that it was delivered you do that.

Also another thing to consider is that if you sent it priority mail then it only takes 2-4 days, After that time you should be checking wth the buyer by pm or email to see if it had arrived. It's called follow up and follow thru. That way the buyer knows that you are checking to make sure they got the product. If they state at that time then it is much easier to follow up with the post office that was supposed to deliver it.

For most of us it does not matter if we only spent $5.00 on the part. It's that we paid someone for something and we want that part.

I don't know if this person is trying to scam you or not. Only that person knows what is going on for real.
Is this person asking for a refund?

fong

iTrader: (77)

yes, he asked me to refund the money by claiming that I wrote the wrong address. if you read his replies. that is totally base on nothing to say that. and he insisted that. I feel that is unfair to me.

I told him that I sent it out via priority. then he didn't contact me until a week or two later. it is easier for the person tells you that he gets the package, than you keep asking the person "do you get it yet?".

you are right, only that person knows what is going on. I have the proof that I shipped it out. but he has nothing to prove that he didn't get it, except he say so. that is why I suggest sellers to use signature delivery service, just for pre-caution.

Rx-7Doctor

iTrader: (13)

In reference to the let the person tell you when they get it. I do not agree, most people do not respond back because they get busy with their lives. If you take the responsibility on your own and check with them then you can start the search process right away while everyones memory is still fresh.

I do agree that if you are having problems to use whatever service needed to gurantee that this will no happen.


I would inform him that you need another week to determine if the post office is returning the package to you.

Turblown

iTrader: (12)

I didn't read everything here, but whenever you are selling parts don't use the post office. You need something with a tracking #...

fong

iTrader: (77)

UPS/Fedex provide tracking#, but they still only drop the box at the front door if you don't use the signature service. that is still not good enough, if the guy says that he never received it. you just can't prove the package is in this guy's hand, period if you don't use signature service.

I know Fedex charges $2 more for it.

Rx-7Doctor

iTrader: (13)

Everyone always states that.

For .50 cents you pop for the confirmation # which is the same as a UPS tracking #.

And for alittle more depending on the shipment you opt for signature confirmation.

The reason I use the USPS alot is because I can send heavy items that will fit in their flat rate boxes to members for a flat fee and get it there within 2-3 days tops for them.

Example of USPS. I'm sending a package to a member that is 12x14x4 and weighs about a pound. Thru USPS I can send it to that person for around $5.00.
Thru UPS the same package will cost $9.20 and take 3 times as long to get to that person.

JHew84

iTrader: (9)

GREAT advice, if someone is acting weird to begin with chances are there will be a bump in the road sooner or later.

riverzendz

Even if you do use the signature service with FedEx it may not matter. I have a signature on file with both UPS and FedEx so that when a package comes to my home that I would need to sign for they can just leave it without talking to me. That way I don't have to be home at 12pm on Wed. or whatever.

I've had packages shipped to the wrong address by UPS. They attempted to deliver the package to the incorrect address. After learning I did not reside at that address they looked up my last known good address in the area and delivered my package there. I found out where that was and was able to get my item. They (USPS, UPS, FedEx) just don't throw packages out the side of the door hoping it hits the right porch. They deliver enough to know who lives where, what names go to what address, what seems odd...etc. I'm not saying they don't screw up.

fong

iTrader: (77)

thanks for the information, guys.

basically, I agree that seller will need to provide assistance to follow up the package, like talk to carrier, but I don't think that seller would need to take a complete responsibilities for lost a package. Just like riverzendz said, they sometimes drop off the package even you ship it with signature service. so, things will get interesting about what if....

1)what if the person lie about not getting the package.
2)what if someone else(like kid) just pick it up?

in my case, the guy almost instantly blaims everything on me, saying that I wrote the wrong address. that is basic on NOTHING to make that assumption. it is not fair at all to me. normally, people wouldn't act like that. I would have expect he will stay calm, and listen to me, and give it some more time for the post office to return the package if I wrote down the wrong address if that is the case. but he wouldn't listen at all.

plus, he has no proof that he didn't get the package, but I have the proof that I shipped it out to that location.

as I said before, I was going to just take that as lesson, and refund this guy the money for part, and then move on. but his bull **** blam just insults me, and get me pissed.

after all, just be careful with guys like that, since there is almost no seller protection at all, in the case if the guy lies. it won't happen all the time, but it can happen.

JHew84

iTrader: (9)

I think if you have a rock solid confirmation (not the USPS clerk saying "well it's a safe method of shipping, it probably got there) you don't have to worry about it, you held up your end of the bargain and got it to their house. But if you don't know if it actually made it to their house I do think it falls on the sell to find out what happened to it...

Rx-7Doctor

iTrader: (13)

Fong, the last responsibility you have is to post the forum members name here. Maybe that will give more insight into the situation if he responds and if it is a problem member than atleast others will stay clear of that person.

cr7684

iTrader: (42)

Fong the Doc (how is that GSL-SE ) is right post the member's name up!!! I did bizz with you & the Doc and everything worked out . But if you want THIS case to work out POST HIS/HER NAME UP.
Chris...

Rx7deficient4now

iTrader: (2)

I had a similar experience, except I was the purchaser. Everyone else that had bought parts off this guy said he was great so I just dropped it and decided to forget about it and move one. I had actually purchased a used OMP as well. I went to the post office repeated times with no luck. Finally after 6 weeks I recieved a package that looked like it had seen the battle field. It must have gotten caught on the conveyor belt or something. I know that it is really hard not to, but you really need to be careful about jumping to conclusions.

fong

iTrader: (77)

OK, the guy's name is Marcel Burkett. he started a post to blaim stuff on me. just not fair.