Fritz Flynn

iTrader: (263)

I hate to sound harsh here but again there is only one correct action and the rest is BS.

The buyer should be very impatient and doing the right thing is what gets you somewhere in life. Not patience.

rx7roller02

Fritz, normally I would agree with you, but in this case the buyer flat-out lied. Here he is, asking repeatedly for copies of paperwork--because he says that this would provide proof for him. But he neglected to mention that he had already received exactly that. What more is there to gain by lying about it??

He insisted that the seller made no attempt other than the tracking number. This is a lie. The buyer should have mentioned the fact that this seller made more attempts to be on the level than that, and give credit where it is due. And then, since he already had theproof he claimed he wanted, he should have been patient....after all, he did say that he would be patient if he could get such information. But he got it and then lied about it, and is still impatient to boot.

rx7roller02

one thing--he already provided that information....

No doubt that MBE's information will certainly be on that paperwork. This buyer needs to man up and be honest. This whole thread, he has been saying "just show me the proof and I will leave you alone and be patient...", but he has had that proof all along and he has been dishonest about it. and, the fact that he blocked out the NAME of the business means nothing, since he posted it in here anyways, so now this buyer has it. I dunno about you guys, but someone sending me eight pages of photos that show every document would definitely be proof that he did ship them.

R-R-Rx7

iTrader: (24)

i never said i wasnt provided with proof
i said that, what i was provided seems to be that aint real
i was sent 4 pictures,(2 of them had nothing to do with it and i ll upload them tonight

i received a tracking number and some paper work which make absolutely no sense
i called MBE to ask about the whole situation with the tracking number i was provided but they told me that tracking number is I N V A L I D....same thing was said from UPS.
The receipt shows 2nd day Air delivery. UPS does not provide this kind of service.
i can provide as many of those receipts as you desire

and personally i dont understand how was i threating you chunky04 by asking your phone number. why i asked your phone number? my cousin is in US as you said, we were both calling ups and mbe we could get no result, and what mbe told us was to give them your phone number to hopefully find the package because the tracking number wouldnt work.

and rx7roller please try not to jump in consumptions before you hear both sides

con

R-R-Rx7

iTrader: (24)

thats from the beginning of the thread
i never failed to say that the tracking number was not given to me
i said it wouldnt work

con

R-R-Rx7

iTrader: (24)

and here it goes one more time

what i want is the CLAIM REFERENCE NUMBER that i can call and see what im told is true because the rest is not

con

R-R-Rx7

iTrader: (24)

And again

R-R-Rx7

iTrader: (24)

i think i am quite clear with what i want


con

R-R-Rx7

iTrader: (24)

This thread makes me look like a bad person or something and i dunno why

i said several times if i am given the right proof so i can call myself and check it out. I wont bother you again(until you get the money from the claim) but its seems that you dont want to understand.

Con

daze

iTrader: (8)

Was this transaction through Paypal? If so, perhaps paypal can handle this better because they have professionals who deal with situations like this daily. I mean, no one knows exactly whats going on except for Shawn and Con.

R-R-Rx7

iTrader: (24)

yeh i used paypal
i open a dispute through paypal but paypal said that they can not give any money because shawn is not a protected seller.
well i tried to be as briefly as possible
and
shawn
if you read the thread from the beginning, i didnt want to open a public thread for you
i wanted to check it out with the feedback (as the title sais)
you brought it into a public matter but i m more than happy to continue until i have my problem solved

con

rx7roller02

First off, you are now talking in circles. You need to step back, take a breath, and before you make four or five more posts in a row, make sure of what you are trying to say. For example:

At no time did I EVER say that you claimed not to have received a tracking number. But here you are, trying to prove to me that you didnt say it. Why? Additionally, the guy already explained why that trqacking number will not work, and from my own experience, he is on the money with that explanation.

Moving on:

This is a flat-out lie....want proof??

This is from the UPS website:

http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/shi...?WT.svl=SubNav

You will note that they offer both 2nd day air a.m. and 2nd day air. Where you got your info from is a good question, but UPS itself disagrees with your assessment of their capabilities.

How does one "jump in consumptions"?

Something else--why is it that only now, after he comes in and posts up the efforts he has made, do you actually mention that he did more than just give you a tracking number? Why is this the first time we hear that you got paperwork? Perhaps, if it makes no sense to you, you could have posted pics and asked for someone'es help or opinion about the paperwork in question...but you never brought it up! Why is that? You are here asking for everyone's opinion about the issue, but leave out half the information? Sorry, pal, but from my experience, there is no honest reason to do that. Post up the pics, and we can try to make sense of it all for you. Hey, dont get me wrong, I am here to help, but you cant come in here making an accusation right off the bat and be less than 100% honest on your end. Let's be fair about this, shall we?

Finally, you say this:

con

Really?? you didnt want to make this public? This is your very first post:

For someone who didnt want to take this public, you sure wasted no time with the accusation that he was a scammer....did you? If this was just to find out about feedback, why did you jump to "he's scamming me" so darn fast? Face it--you made up your own mind, went after it, refused to tell us the whole story, and now you are trying to find a way out. Look--just post up the pics, and lets see if we can make some sense of it for you. But in the future, dont go about it like this. The guy made obvious attempts to give you documentation, at least give him that much for the moment.

Fritz Flynn

iTrader: (263)

I could care less if the buyer is a liar.

He sent someone 1k for some wheels that were lost or stolen. AGAIN!!!!!!!............He should be refunded immediately without question PERIOD

In this transaction it's the seller that has a problem and he's clearly not handling it like a responsible adult. END OF STORY.

Chunky04

Con,

You will be refunded...End of story.. If you dont get money, then thats when I would open another thread like this...

If you have any questions feel free to pm or email me...

Thanks,
Shawn

rx7roller02

you should care, because that fact alone puts this entire situation in question.

FACT--the seller discovered that there was a problem.

FACT--the seller immediately took steps to resolve the problem.

FACT--the buyer claims to be telling the truth and to be patient as long as he gets info

FACT--the buyer has been neither of those things, despite the assurances he has made.

Not everyone has $1000 sitting around. That should be easy enough to understand. Take a look at what has happened....there was a shipping problem. The seller states that he initiated investigations with both UPS and MBE, which is the next step. PERIOD. Buyer claims that he has no proof, yet it is sitting in his hands. Buyer says "I'll be patient, just show me this is for real".....even after being shown, he is not only impatient, but immediately resorts to saying "this guy is scamming me".

FACT--a little patience here and good communication would resolve the entire thing.

You buy and sell on here all the time, fritz--certainly you above all people should understand that, AS LONG AS THE SELLER'S INTENTION IS GENUINE, that a certain amount of patience is warranted. This has not happened here.

Chunky04

I cant disagree

Con,

You have a pm...

Thanks,
Shawn

R-R-Rx7

iTrader: (24)

1st. the seller didnt even discover a problem. i was calling and calling to mbe and ups to find that this tracking number IS I N V A L I D.

2nd. THATS WHAT I WANT DUDE...PROOF THAT TOOK THOSE STEPS TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM ( a meaning less photocopy ? )

3rd. I ll be patient as long as i ll get somethin on my hand showing that i m not being scammed
4th. and of course and neither of them because i got nothing

and btw 2nd day air to europe is also NOT PROVIDED MY UPS
probably thats my fault cause i might havent mentioned im from europe

i ll post the pics in a while

con

R-R-Rx7

iTrader: (24)

and how much more patience would you have had by the way ?
i paid for the rims in october !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

con

R-R-Rx7

iTrader: (24)

take a look at the pictures and let me know

thanks

con

and feel free to contact ups or mbe and ask them about that tracking number

!!!!!!!!!!!

Chunky04

Ok...The first two pictues are "EXAMPLES" of SIMULAR tracking numbers....

Con claimed, "I called UPS and they said this is a fake tracking number." My reply was, "Here are two pictures very simular to the I provided you with." Therefor proving my point that my tracking number is not just some made up number.

Think about it, if you have a tracking number on a box...and UPS hasnt come and picked it up yet and put it in there system...When you try to track the number online of course its going to say invalid...

The last picture, I took with my camara phone...I dont have a scanner...It is a copy of the actual labels that were on the box...I blanked out my some of my info for obvious reasons...

Con,

Please take into consideration...There is PERSONAL information on that last form...That is a professional business address...And I would really really appreicate it if that was not made public.....

Thanks,
Shawn

Fritz Flynn

iTrader: (263)

Lets just agree to disagree.

Shawn has agreed to pay the guy back but it should of happened 60 days ago not when he finally if ever gets repaid from UPS. This is not the buyers problem it's Shawn's and if you gentlemen can't figure that one out I suggest you stop commenting in the good guy bad guy section because you clearly have a warped sense of what's expected from a good seller.

BTW how many times do you think I've filed claims with UPS or Fedex on broken or lost parts? A **** load and each time the buyer immediately received a refund and I had to deal with all the paper work, phone calls etc....The buyer has nothing to do with that and it's none of his business not to mention it's bad enough that he doesn't get the part and his time has been wasted.

Sure it sucks for Shawn, I've done business with him and I'm also confident this will be resolved but it's HIS responsibility and how he handles it says something about his character as a business person. He's the one that should apologize, borrow the money from somewhere or sell something etc... to get this guy his 1K with interest or is that just not FAIR.

rx7roller02

look--

While I really respect your reputation on this forum as a seller, there is something here that you are neglecting to consider--the relationship between buyer and seller.

Every transaction is different. Every seller and buyer is different. This particular issue contains a buyer that is plainly saying "I have no problem giving him more time, as long as I get proof he is for real".

I appreciate the way you handle your deals. But that does not mean that every seller must conform to your way of business. The money was an issue, so this seller did everything he could do--he contacted UPS and MBE, and got the ball rolling with both of them. he kept in contact with his customer, rather than skipping out on him and making him wait without any info, like too many do. He then explained that the tracking number was not going to work and provided proof that he was honest. This is unfortunate, but not all sellers have your means to crank out a grand at will. If they did, thats different. And there is nothing wrong with being reasonable about it. The buyer himself has repeatedly said that he would be fine with patience as long as he knew this was for real, so, with all due respect to you, you cannot jump in and impose your business practice on someone else.

YES, the guy deserves either the rims or his money. YES, he deserves to have satisfaction in a timely manner. But at the same time, YES, SOME SITUATIONS REQUIRE BOTH PARTIES TO BE PATIENT.

Again, please dont take this as disresepct of you, because I respect you no problem. But from where I am sitting, the seller, even with the added time gone by, has been straight with this buyer. I appreciate your input, as I like to learn from you guys that have been at this longer than me, and hopefully this will all get cleared up.

R-R-Rx7

iTrader: (24)

rx7roller02
i dont want shawn to be telling its status. is it that difficult what i am asking?
i want the UPS or the MBE to inform me about it
JUST NEED THE REFERENCE CLAIM NUMBER

when i get that, and im told from UPS/MBE that the claim is on its way i ll be more than happy to wait as long as it takes
Words for me dont count
just actions

never lied, never asked for something extraordinary unless if that reference number is an extraordinary thing.

And as i have said
theres no 2nd day air via UPS to europe
the link you gave me is crystal clear with that service

thanks


con

Chunky04

Con,

You have a pm...If you have anymore questions...PM me or email me...There is no reason this should be drawn out anymore than it already is...

Thanks,
Shawn

dbragg

iTrader: (7)

ok.

rrrx7 needs to be refunded in a quick manor. for this to be going on since october is rediculous. im not trying to jump on you chunky, but put yourself in the mans shoes. any of us would be acting in a similar manor if we had given you $1000 in october and still received nothing. ever route we took led to a dead end. i took would start to think something fishy was going on. im not saying there it, im just saying thatd be my first assumption. you as a seller have an obligation to make thinks right and to ensure the transaction follows through. you should refund him his money as soon as possible and you need to await the conclusion of the investigation. youll either get your money or wheels from UPS/MBE. at that point you can relist them and maybe only sale them to someone in the states. also, maybe you should think about not listing whats in the box. just theo ther night a friend of mine that works at FEDEX said there have been so many cell phones and other electronics stole because people ship them in the product box. if someone sees that $600 phone theyre liable to take it. you want to ship it so people dont know whats in it. it cuts down on the risk. id NEVER ship an expensive set of wheels with it stamped on the outside whats in the box. thats asking someone to steal it.

i hope to see you guys resolves this soon. you both seem like stand up people and this has been drawn out for too long.