I don't understand why there's not a map section so everyone can upload their fuel maps. On my old R6 board, we had all sorts of different fuel maps for everyone's bike, depending on the year and who had such and such mods. Why hasn't something like that been implemented here?

 

We used to. It's dangerous to trust someone else's maps for your car. There are too many variables, even with the same mods. You should only view someone else's map as a starting point. There will be differences in tuning conservatism, the octane being ran, etc.

Another thing is the only convenient way to upload maps is if you have the datalogit. Their is a yahoo user's group for the datalogit where people can upload maps.

Finally, some of us (myself included) have spent hundreds of dollars on a tune and don't necessarily feel like giving it out for free.....

 

I could see how spending a large amount of money on a map, and then sharing, would seem like a bad idea. I just think it would be beneficial to the people who need to street tune or for the newbies, such as myself, who need something to start with.

 

That's somewhat contradictory logic. If it can only be used as a base tune what's the sense in keeping it to yourself when no one else can benefit from it unless they pony up for their own tuning.

 

Because if your mods are very close, your AFRs are most likely close to linear in being different. One run might tell you to add or remove X% from the whole map to be dead on.

I tune my own engine such that the AFR change across a P row for my target AFRS does not change more than +/- .1 AFR. That took hours of tuning to get that precision.

Most maps are not that precise. I have seen many logs where the AFRs change about 1 AFR across the rpms.

Good timng also takes a lot of time to develope. Try getting just the IGL map from any tuner for free, no way will they do it. When I asked for it when buying my GT35R kit from a well known source, all they ever said was we do not go above 15 IGL. That is for a ported engine, and mine with close to stock ports does great with a max of 19 at 8000 for 14psi. The max is not important, it is the whole timing curve you need. Most engines blow around max torque not max rpms.

I use to post my non-seq map and other info on the DL group, but since going slightly commercial (unemployed now but not retired), I took it off. Why, to make a little money.

 

I understand you. It's a little Capitalism Vs. Communism. You need to get paid for your time.

 

I'm not in this for humanitarian purposes. YOU pay $500 for a dyno tune and map and then give it away for free. Until you do that, you don't really have room to say much!

 

http://opus.bloomcounty.org/~patrick/pfc/

heres a page bud. i am not responsible if anything happens to your car.

 

Most of the maps on that page are bogus to use....which is why it was taken down.

 

If you do searches for Steve Kahns(sp) posts under Pluto you will find a good deal of information on his timing maps. A couple have even been posted (though I believe they were setup for a 3 bar sensor). I would agree with the timing posted before that a streetport should see a max of 15 degrees at peak torque then get slightly advanced from there. Stock ports can have a bit more timing added though. Keep in mind this type of timing is for a single turbo setup. I haven't pushed my timing that far from maps that were originally post by Chuck and what I have read on Pluto's maps. There is a very good thread on ignition timing in the single forum that I suggest you read. The AFR side I think is usually the easiest in terms of getting it close. But as said above to make it smooth takes some time and will be different between cars/setups.

 

So answer me this, how do you get a base map to start from when you go to a shop to have it dyno tuned? Do they just load down all the maps and then go from there?

 

A shop that has experience with tuning FDs will have developed starting maps for certain modifications....if they don't have enough experience tuning FDs to have base maps, do NOT go to them!

This is why Steve Kan and Brian Cain are so busy....you want someone who knows what they are doing.

You can start tuning from the default PFC map just fine (timing should be retarded or smoothed out as necessary), it will just take longer than starting from a more closely optimized base map.

 

If I use the same fuel setup that someone else who post their setup and it causes problems, can I blame them? How about those trans braces and if it breaks? How about submitting specific timing comments and threads here? That’s liability there!(even for the site owner to publish such info)
All BS. I will post any map that I have upon completing. If it doesn’t work for you so what? You motor blows up so what. It’s about a close starting point based on the owner’s decision of which start up map they chose to use. The only issue is the amount of time and hard work (which could have been minimized by other owners) that someone puts into development. If it a dyno run tune you paid for, then submit it by email for a few bucks through papal and get your money back. There are more direct liabilities from arms length transactions among members and vendors in this community that is tangible in a court of law.

I will be more than happy to help others as so many have helped me.

If you don’t want to trust anybody else’s stuff than pay a tuner. Now I may be wrong but I don’t recall any service agreement or work authorization from any dyno/tuner in writing that says any broken motors upon tuning is a liability that the tuner/dyno shop will assume. (Because you’re motor all ready had some issue…)
A lot of owners talking up a particular brand but wont offer help for start up beyond an incomplete manual at purchase .They should NOT have to tell how they get final results but should explain how difficult an install or utilization of a product would be given the factory setup and information.
Fastest way is paying a tuner for a tune if they are coming near your and in short order.
I reject the “I don’t give my info out cause I don’t want it to hurt your stuff” comment because it’s the same guy that post pics and description of other mods, timing, fuel systems, turbo, BOV, IC, WG, ignition systems…
Would someone post the financial resolutions to greviences, suits against motor builds or other custom stuff? I have seen threads of complaints, so there must be a liability.

I thank those who have help me in slightest way free of charge and absolve you of your liabilties!
IMO

 

Just because someone posts a map of their car's setup doesn't make them liable -- let alone the owner of a website, semi-public forum. That's like saying Dr. Dre is liable for gang violence if he raps about it on a record ... or like saying the Fury's are liable for teddy bear ****.

 

I see what you're saying but like homeboy there said bout his R6 forum.. i'm a member on the R1 forum and they have plenty of maps there all different from all members most of them with different mods but some with the same but one from california n other from Virginia that map wont work the same on a bike from cali all that altitude bs thing.. same with a car i would believe.. will work but not the same like i said .. and Sharing is Caring lol... so post it up.. u never know some one might be able to make ur map even better.. thats the way i see it...

 

Like I said, you are perfectly welcome to pay $500 for a dyno tune and post your map if you like.

 

Well instead of starting a "why is there not a maps section" thread, why dont you make a "Post your maps/w mods" thread.

There are some good tutorials out there to tune your car yourself. I have even found some good threads with timing tables. I wouldnt mine just seeing some of the maps so i can get an idea of what some of these tuners are doing in certain areas. I have attempted to join the yahoo dataloggit group quite a few times for that very reason. But thats next to impossible with the horrible customer service those people or person provides.

 

All you have to do is buy a Datalogit and you are invited to join. That is what I did.

 

Well i have a tune lined up for Feb and i for 1 will be sharing my maps, they will be for comparison only, but i have gotten enugh from this forum for me to feel i am able to share what i have, i dont see the harm in it.

 

Its sarcasm...thats why I put that with the rest of the points.We agree.

 

Are there any notes that teachs you what the hell the maps mean etc ? unfotunately I do not have the dialogedit,