Power FC Forum Apex Power FC Support and Questions.

Power FC throttle problem at 105c

Old Jul 20, 2007 | 11:53 AM
  #1  
twilsonbpa's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 24
Likes: 0
From: VANCOUVER
throttle problem at 105c

Any help would be appreciated!!......

Since installing my PFC anytime the car hits 105 deg C it revs up to 3000 and then starts bouncinging betweeen 1000 and 2000...only if i hit 105.

I first noticed it when i would shut the car off hot, then upon restarting it would do this bounce...i realized it was only when the pfc read over 105c...due to heat soaking. i shut off hte car, restart it the pfc readjusts and it idles fine.

I noticed on a hot day when i entered the freeway the temp went up...as soon as it hit 105c i could feel the throttle change..it was doing the same thing till the car cooled driving to below 105...

thx in avance for any help...driving me nuts
Reply
Old Jul 20, 2007 | 08:14 PM
  #2  
woundup7's Avatar
The Outsider
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,050
Likes: 0
From: Deep in 6th
Wow, I dont think 105 C is good at all. I have my fan set at 85 C and my butt starts to pucker at anything over 95 C. I know that didn't answer your question, but the heat can't be helping any.
Reply
Old Jul 27, 2007 | 01:57 AM
  #3  
DK's Avatar
DK
40k worth of fail
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 1,312
Likes: 0
From: Hermosa Beach, CA
Geez 105 ... you really need to fix that. I've never seen anything north of 89.
Reply
Old Jul 27, 2007 | 10:04 AM
  #4  
cewrx7r1's Avatar
Eye In The Sky
Tenured Member: 25 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 7,941
Likes: 133
From: In A Disfunctional World
First fix the overheating problem, then search about the bouncing throttle.
It is in top 5 questions for car/PFC unexperiened newbs.
Find yourself a local mentor and pay to learn if necessary.

I have done some OJT for some customers by charging less but having them do half the work with me guiding them.

Before the PFC, all we could adjust was idle air flow to correct the bounce. Now you can also adjust fuel.
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2007 | 12:56 AM
  #5  
BDC's Avatar
BDC
BDC Motorsports
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 3,667
Likes: 6
From: Grand Prairie, TX
105*C is way overheating!!! Need to get that thing fixed prior to doing anything else!!!

B
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2007 | 09:16 PM
  #6  
jmadams74's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 526
Likes: 5
From: Atlanta
Have you replaced the thermoswitch with the 97 degree FC replacement switch (see Dale Clark writeup)? My car would occasionally go over 100, but since replacing the switch, it doesn't. (I guess some of the fan mods will do the same thing, but I didn't want to have to use a manual override)
Reply
Old Jul 31, 2007 | 08:34 PM
  #7  
mdpalmer's Avatar
T O R Q U E!
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 2,034
Likes: 1
From: far far away
Question paranoia about water temp?

Originally Posted by BDC
105*C is way overheating!!! Need to get that thing fixed prior to doing anything else!!!

B
This is kind of off topic...

But, for a stock cooling system, on a 90+ deg day stuck in traffic, it's not that abnormal I'd imagine. Also depends on what ratio of coolant/water you're running and whether or not you have other substances in the fluid (water wetter).

What do you make of this, then: posted in "the big fat FD3S cooling thread"

--------------------------------------------
7. Optimum Temps
65C (150F): too cold. According to service manual, EGR valve is non-operational below 150F, "to improve drivability when cold."
82C (180F): getting warm. Thermostat begins to open, circulating coolant through the radiator. Some coolant is still bypassing the radiator.
95C (203F): fully warm. Thermostat is fully open, not bypassing the radiator at all.
100C (212F): boiling point of pure water at atmospheric pressure.
105C (221F): getting hot. Stock ECU will activate fans to cool the car down. Fan speed will be low, or medium (if A/C is already on).
108C (226F): hot. Stock 93-95 coolant thermoswitch activates, changing fan speeds from low>> medium (or med>>high if A/C is already on) (switching to an FC thermoswitch will change this temp to 203F)
115C (240F): getting dangerous. OEM temp gauge begins to rise.
117C (243F): dangerous. boiling point of pure water with 13psi pressure cap.
121C (250F): too hot. OEM temp gauge will point to white line. Boiling point of pure water with 16psi pressure cap.
124C (256F): way too hot. Boiling point of pure water with 19psi pressure cap. Boiling point of 50/50 coolant mix with 13psi pressure cap.
127C (260F): way too hot. OEM temp gauge will point to red line.


A Mazda competition preparation manual, dated 1980, gives the following recommendations. Note that this is for a non-turbo 12A motor in a racing environment:
Warm the engine up at an idle speed of 2000-2500 RPM, until the oil temp reaches 160F (70C).
Recommended coolant temperature (outlet side): 160-195F (70-90C).
Max coolant temperature: 205F (95C).
Recommended oil temperature (oil pan): 195-230F (90-110C).
Max oil temperature: 250F (120C).
--------------------------------------------
Reply
Old Aug 1, 2007 | 08:48 PM
  #8  
RX7 RAGE's Avatar
Bann3d. I got OWNED!!!
Tenured Member: 25 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
iTrader: (22)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 5,015
Likes: 68
From: San Diego, CA
good info there Mike. I have my pfc set to turn on my fans at 86C.
Reply
Old Aug 2, 2007 | 09:39 AM
  #9  
mdpalmer's Avatar
T O R Q U E!
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 2,034
Likes: 1
From: far far away
Lightbulb more!

Originally Posted by RX7 RAGE
good info there Mike. I have my pfc set to turn on my fans at 86C.
^^ Oh there's more, again off topic

one
two (221F = 105C)

etc. etc.

That's not to say the OP doesn't have cooling issues though, I don't want anyone to take their water temps lightly... good luck to the OP in resolving your problem.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Jeff20B
1st Generation Specific (1979-1985)
73
Sep 16, 2018 07:16 PM
sherff
Adaptronic Engine Mgmt - AUS
5
Sep 12, 2015 12:22 PM
The1Sun
1st Generation Specific (1979-1985)
0
Sep 7, 2015 10:21 PM
rx7shirley
2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992)
6
Sep 2, 2015 02:11 PM


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:06 AM.