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Old Sep 30, 2013 | 10:32 AM
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Just got the engine back in the car and I'm having a bit of trouble with idle. I've changed the primary and secondary injectors to ID725 and ID2000 respectivley. Does anyone have the exact settings for the Inj table on the commander? I have the correct size and percentage but the ms number has me stumped. Anyone have the numbers handy? Thanks in advance.

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Old Sep 30, 2013 | 02:02 PM
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First you need to list all your engine mods/changes from stock.
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Old Sep 30, 2013 | 02:55 PM
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Stock rebuild engine with Airpump still attached. Stock fuel pump, replacement filter -6 lines and Aeromotive regulator feeding FFE rails and the injectors mentioned above. Fuel pressure is 43 psi. Single turbo with HKS manifold and wastegate. That's about it.
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Old Oct 1, 2013 | 06:46 PM
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Found what I was looking for.
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Old Oct 1, 2013 | 11:19 PM
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thanks for sharing the lag value

Point of posting here is to share.
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Old Oct 2, 2013 | 08:05 AM
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thanks for sharing the lag value

Point of posting here is to share.
It is indeed, so why didn't anyone share the answer before I spent the time and frustration finding it? Lots of people on this board know the values without even looking them up. I guess they thought I needed to RTFM. I did, and I found the answer.
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Old Oct 2, 2013 | 12:51 PM
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Old Oct 2, 2013 | 06:58 PM
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It is indeed, so why didn't anyone share the answer before I spent the time and frustration finding it? Lots of people on this board know the values without even looking them up. I guess they thought I needed to RTFM. I did, and I found the answer.
ID has the lag tables on their web site. So easy to find.
They also have been posted to many forums here.

A true mechanic tries to do all the work and learning by themselves, and only ask for help when really needed.

Slackers and losers do not want to try to figure things out on their own.
They want it given to them.

Which category are you showing with your posts?

It is not a matter of work required, but pride and ability to accomplish work on your own. Self made people have more confidence than losers.
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Old Oct 2, 2013 | 08:29 PM
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If you know where it is:

How hard is it to click this

and paste this http://www.injectordynamics.com/ID725SumData.gif

So it does this, in the thread, instead of bitching about it?

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Old Oct 2, 2013 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by cewrx7r1
ID has the lag tables on their web site. So easy to find.
They also have been posted to many forums here.

A true mechanic tries to do all the work and learning by themselves, and only ask for help when really needed.

Slackers and losers do not want to try to figure things out on their own.
They want it given to them.

Which category are you showing with your posts?

It is not a matter of work required, but pride and ability to accomplish work on your own. Self made people have more confidence than losers.
Chuck, you seriously need to check yourself.

You know exactly nothing about me but assume since I asked a question about a topic that might have been covered before I'm not a "true mechanic" nor am I "self made". In addition to that you pontificate that I must be a "slacker and a loser with no confidence". You need to get back on your Meds.

PS. Have your reading comprehension skills gotten so bad you missed the part where I said "I RTFM and found the answer" or were you just to busy flexing your keyboard muscles?

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Old Oct 2, 2013 | 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Slides
If you know where it is:

How hard is it to click this

and paste this http://www.injectordynamics.com/ID725SumData.gif

So it does this, in the thread, instead of bitching about it?

Since your so good at pasting things in threads paste a screen shot of EXACTLY where those dead times from that table will be input into a PFC COMMANDER. Emphasis on COMMANDER, Mate.

Same challenge for you Chuck, put up or shut up.

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Old Oct 2, 2013 | 10:37 PM
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It is pretty explicit in the manual. Use the 14V lag value and do the subtraction vs factory injector lag.





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Old Oct 2, 2013 | 11:34 PM
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Nice try but no cigar. Thanks for proving my point.
The table you so proudly posted isn't the answer to my original question like you made it out to be. There is no place on a Commander to use those values as you have clearly shown. Posting that table and saying how easy it was to do adds nothing to this thread other than you trying to make yourself look good.
Next time you feel the need to **** up somebody's thread for not sharing re-read what Chuck posted above. Seems the folks on this forum with knowledge want people to RTFM. I now have the knowledge and will encourage everyone seeking it to RTFM as well.
I did the research, I found the answer, I fixed my problem, have a nice day please drive through.

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Old Oct 3, 2013 | 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Slides
If you know where it is:

How hard is it to click this

and paste this

So it does this, in the thread, instead of bitching about it?
Why didn't you do it yourself in the first place then? It's easy info to find. Whenever I set my 725/2000 up, I didn't spend the time to make a goddamn thread asking what the lagtimes were, I didn't go digging through the PFC forum search results, I didn't bitch and moan about others not posting it - I went and got them straight from ID's website in less than one minute.

How hard is it to use google? To think inside the box and check the manufacturer's site? Either is a hell of a lot quicker than waiting for someone to hyperlink it in a forum post.

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Nice try but no cigar. Thanks for proving my point.
The table you so proudly posted isn't the answer to my original question like you made it out to be. There is no place on a Commander to use those values as you have clearly shown. Not exactly true, as explained below, this shows a lack of reading comprehension on your part. Posting that table and saying how easy it was to do adds nothing to this thread other than you trying to make yourself look good. Completely agree.
Next time you feel the need to **** up somebody's thread for not sharing re-read what Chuck posted above. Seems the folks on this forum with knowledge want people to RTFM. I now have the knowledge and will encourage everyone seeking it to RTFM as well.
I did the research, I found the answer, I fixed my problem, have a nice day please drive through.

Nice self portrait by the way.
Bolded part: That's how people with knowledge found it in the first place. There's knowledge to be gained simply by learning how to find info for oneself. Glad to see the change of heart, but you need to work on reading more thoroughly.

You're still wrong. Slides posted what you originally needed.


If you actually RTFM, no one should have to spell this out, but...

ID725 lag time, 43.5psi, 14V: 795 microseconds (.795 ms)
Stock 550 lag time, 14V: .73ms

What is .795-.73? The answer goes in the ms column, which answers your original question.

Now, what you will NOT be able to do with the Commander is enter the lag times vs. battery voltage tables for primary and secondary. You need a datalogit to do it and when they are all entered, there is no more need for the ms value in the commander.


In any case, neither of you are adding value to this thread, so drop it. The point's already been made: RTFM
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Old Oct 3, 2013 | 10:26 AM
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I'll try to recap this so everyone coming here later might be able to make sense of this abortion of a thread.

Mazda Reman that was supposed to be good recently purchased to install. Compression and cooling system pressure check accomplished but you never know till you start it if everything is good.
Went Single Turbo and eliminated lots of things under the hood including excess wiring from the harness, new fuel system from the firewall forward etc. In short lots of variables.
First start-up of said engine after adjusting PFC using table from ID's site and TFM for the PFC( as evidenced in my initial post ie. "I have the percentage change and Inj size") resulted in idle trouble.
Trying to eliminate a possible variable I come here looking for some help to verify my settings. Assumptions are made that I haven't tried to figure anything out myself and I'm looking for a handout.
I end up figuring out I fat fingered the adjustments and solve the problem.
I post I figured it out so nobody would need to spend time trying to solve a problem that no longer exists.
Hilarity ensues with someone bitching I should share (rather comical considering the source) and someone else chastizing me for asking the question with out trying to figure it out first even after I solved the problem.

Everyone who posted in this thread, myself included, needs to relax the keyboard muscles a bit.
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Old Oct 6, 2013 | 05:36 PM
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LOL thanks for the thread. Answered my question. Will PM u if I come across any other questions to avoid being dragged over the coals.

I'm slowly trying to get where you are
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