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03-02-06, 04:24 AM
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it all looks good fasthatch. i spoke to my tuner today who has used my datalogit a few times
he claims that its very slow in terms of its display and logging. ie when doing a dyno run the engine warning would flash (excess knock) and the datalogit would only show a max knock of say 25, despite the hand controller showing 70 odd and the engine flash light coming on.
what sort of sample rate does fc tune do/offer ?
he claims that its very slow in terms of its display and logging. ie when doing a dyno run the engine warning would flash (excess knock) and the datalogit would only show a max knock of say 25, despite the hand controller showing 70 odd and the engine flash light coming on.
what sort of sample rate does fc tune do/offer ?
03-02-06, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by paulr33
he claims that its very slow in terms of its display and logging. ie when doing a dyno run the engine warning would flash (excess knock) and the datalogit would only show a max knock of say 25, despite the hand controller showing 70 odd and the engine flash light coming on.
what sort of sample rate does fc tune do/offer ?
what sort of sample rate does fc tune do/offer ?
This problem shouldn't occur with the box i am working on, but i don't want to go into detail.
03-02-06, 03:47 PM
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Colored names and makers in front of the channels:
I think the markers are clearer and more eye friendly. They need a little more screen space, so if that is an issue you can turn them off.
There is no legend in the graph/chart anymore, i think it's better if the channel window is also used as the legend.
I think the markers are clearer and more eye friendly. They need a little more screen space, so if that is an issue you can turn them off.
There is no legend in the graph/chart anymore, i think it's better if the channel window is also used as the legend.
03-02-06, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SomeGuy_sg
Will the box have USB connectivity?
And as you can see on the pic datalogging on a MMC/SD card is also supported
03-02-06, 11:18 PM
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to FastHatch!!! Needless to say, I am eagerly awaiting for the final release of the FC Tune and the interface box. FWIW, I currently run a PFC on a JDM BCNR33 (latest release PFC and Commander, I believe) and soon on a 1993 JDM FD3S, too. I only use the Commander, though, I'm not too kind on spending money on a FC Datalogit now to see it become obsolete as soon as your box is out. You wrote about polling opinions on what we would wish to have on your FC Tune/box combo: the thing I am most interested to have is a real time, auto base map writing function that will automatically fill the PFC's base map with the correct injection times given a preset air/fuel ratio target entered on the fuel correction map while driving or dynoing, using of course the readings coming out of a wide band O2 sensor so the car works in closed loop mode while its base maps gets written, just like what is available on the newest generation of ECU offerings like the AEM EMS or the newest Motec boxes, always writing the injection times in such a way as to keep all boxes on the base map at Lambda=1 just like Apexi meant it to be. This will be the sole feature which I believe the PFC needs to have to be up to date with all those other new offerings out there. Other than this, I just need the interface box to be able to take readings off a wideband (or two, thank you
) and, if it is not too much to ask, inputs for 6 "K" type thermocouples, one for each of those RB26 cylinders (but really, there should be 2 at minimum) and maybe two or more normal analog 0-5v inputs. Two-step and anti-lag will be great, too, at least for the GT-R, but I am not too sure if it is safe to use these features on a rotary equipped with less than unobtanium apex seals. Not much else that I might add to my wish list, maybe an MP3 connection were one can use the MMC/SD mem card to read music files for the stereo, nah, just joking! You can PM me as soon as any product is available or if you have anything you might want to know about my current BCNR33 setup. Hope to hear from you soon!
03-07-06, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by b33st
where can i pre order
All maps can now be viewed as a 2d graph:
Would it make sense to temporarely add (i know it's a multiplication and not an addition
) the values from the fuel correction map to the base fuel map to see the final curves?If the base fuel map cell is 5.0ms for example and the corresponding fuel correction map cell is 1.2 the table/graph would show 6.0ms, if the value is then changed to 8.0ms the fuel correction map would remain unchanged and the base fuel map is changed to 8.0/1.2 = 6.66ms
I guess the "Recalc base" function can be replaced by better features which retain the fuel correction map.
03-07-06, 11:31 AM
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VERY NICE! 
And yes, I would definitely like to see a final graph that shows the true fuel added. I've found it's easy to accidentally have a row overlap when I'm messing with two different maps.
And yes, I would definitely like to see a final graph that shows the true fuel added. I've found it's easy to accidentally have a row overlap when I'm messing with two different maps.
03-24-06, 07:39 PM
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Hi Fasthatch,
In the past I've sent you multiple scans of the AP R32 RB20DET PowerFC.
I've used both the Serial old style datalogit and the new Type-A Datalogit both in Serial and USB mode.
I do remember you reported back and said it hadn't worked. The file size was (5.86kb).
Is this an issue with the fctune and AP PowerFC or was I simply doing something wrong? (which I doubt as its not terribly difficult to load up fctune, select the corresponding port and select scan)
Can we sort this out?
I will be first in line to purchase FCTune from you and more than willing to test.
In the past I've sent you multiple scans of the AP R32 RB20DET PowerFC.
I've used both the Serial old style datalogit and the new Type-A Datalogit both in Serial and USB mode.
I do remember you reported back and said it hadn't worked. The file size was (5.86kb).
Is this an issue with the fctune and AP PowerFC or was I simply doing something wrong? (which I doubt as its not terribly difficult to load up fctune, select the corresponding port and select scan)
Can we sort this out?
I will be first in line to purchase FCTune from you and more than willing to test.
03-26-06, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by fritts
Will FC Tune work with Microsoft Pocket PC 2003 OS. I may have found a cheap Toshiba PDA to use.
Originally Posted by cubes
I do remember you reported back and said it hadn't worked. The file size was (5.86kb).
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...&page=23&pp=15
I'll post an update tomorrow, tested several features for several hours today without a problem
03-28-06, 12:46 PM
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FastHatch
Congrats on this fine tool you are creating.
A few points:-
- Someone mentioned , how about drag and adjust function on 3D mapping for easy fine tuning.
-How about a connectivity function that would basically allow beginners to get online with the car on the dyno and have someone view and/or adjust their maps?
Reason is, me ... , like many others, .. are new to this and I don't have anyone locally to do the tuning. I am presently looking at flying someone in to tune my car or switching to Haltech because we have a local guys to tune Haltechs. Uploading a map and making a dyno pull, emailing out the results to someone to tweak and then uploading and making another dyno pull ... not really practical..
-I have the PFC installed in my car. I've got a Datalogit and a WB02 Kit still in the box ... I've got a T51R KAI to install..still in the box ..but when I'm all done and ready to swap maps from the twins to the KAI, I still don't have the nuts to even attempt uploading a map from someone and making a dyno pull.. if it were possible to network this thing ... the possibilities....throw some MSN messenger in the mix .. others can view/chat/comment ...Online Tuning ! Woah !
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Congrats on this fine tool you are creating.
A few points:-
- Someone mentioned , how about drag and adjust function on 3D mapping for easy fine tuning.
-How about a connectivity function that would basically allow beginners to get online with the car on the dyno and have someone view and/or adjust their maps?
Reason is, me ... , like many others, .. are new to this and I don't have anyone locally to do the tuning. I am presently looking at flying someone in to tune my car or switching to Haltech because we have a local guys to tune Haltechs. Uploading a map and making a dyno pull, emailing out the results to someone to tweak and then uploading and making another dyno pull ... not really practical..
-I have the PFC installed in my car. I've got a Datalogit and a WB02 Kit still in the box ... I've got a T51R KAI to install..still in the box ..but when I'm all done and ready to swap maps from the twins to the KAI, I still don't have the nuts to even attempt uploading a map from someone and making a dyno pull.. if it were possible to network this thing ... the possibilities....throw some MSN messenger in the mix .. others can view/chat/comment ...Online Tuning ! Woah !
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03-28-06, 03:58 PM
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- 3D map view: Not very practical, 2D view is way better because you can see if the lines are smooth and not crossing each other.
- Remote tuning: Technically no problem, if you have an internet connection FC Tune could connect to an other instance of it. But I doubt that you would find anybody who remote tunes your car. Tuning is not just a bunch of numbers, but maybe that's only me, so i let others vote.
Screenshot of the channel view, columns can be shown or hidden while monitoring I had to slow down the real time view to 10 samples per second (but logging is still faster!) because otherwise it's impossible to decipher the last digits
- Remote tuning: Technically no problem, if you have an internet connection FC Tune could connect to an other instance of it. But I doubt that you would find anybody who remote tunes your car. Tuning is not just a bunch of numbers, but maybe that's only me, so i let others vote.
Screenshot of the channel view, columns can be shown or hidden while monitoring
I had to slow down the real time view to 10 samples per second (but logging is still faster!) because otherwise it's impossible to decipher the last digits
03-29-06, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by FastHatch
- Remote tuning: Technically no problem, if you have an internet connection FC Tune could connect to an other instance of it. But I doubt that you would find anybody who remote tunes your car. Tuning is not just a bunch of numbers, but maybe that's only me, so i let others vote.
I hear what you're saying .. but for "US" overseas guys, it's a reality unfortunately... My PFC for example was done by XS Eng .. and my car has never been on a dyno.. they simply did a map based on my mods .. it's not perfect, but it runs. I think with some fine tuning it should run great... I've got all the tools in place except the main one.. the tuning.. most of us down here and in other areas such as mine, have to be happy that if you can get the car to run at all. Haltech, SDS, Microtech, Motech and a few others have had a lot of success here because we have guys tuning them on the dyno.
A friend Ryan Garcia took his 1985 Mitsu Lancer 4G63 to the IDRC import series in 2002/03 and beat firstly Abel Ibbara and then Adam Saruwatari's NSX with a 7.7 @174 mph (had a trap speed of 184 mph in another pass).. but his car left Trinidad doing 9.2's. .. it wasn't until he go to Florida and got the car fine tuned on a dyno there that he got that time down to 8.928 and then shortly after, he broke into the 7's ..
And had the world record for the fastest 4-cylinder in the world.
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03-29-06, 07:53 AM
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It's one thing to analyze somebody elses log files and to give him hints where he should change some settings. But "live remote tuning" is a whole different story.
Giving commands to someone else via an Instant Messanger and getting feedback on your screen is a totally different than sitting in the car.
It's hard to tell from a log how the car idles. You can hear it, but you can't see it.
Giving commands to someone else via an Instant Messanger and getting feedback on your screen is a totally different than sitting in the car.
It's hard to tell from a log how the car idles. You can hear it, but you can't see it.
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If a tuner can tune a haltech there is no doubt they can tune a PFC. Even if it were only by the handcontroller.
The PFC really is a simple piece of hardware to use. Any tuner with half a brain WILL be able to tune it. Sure they may be frustrated by the lack of an 'autotune' feature some of these high end ecu's have but..... stiff.
The PFC really is a simple piece of hardware to use. Any tuner with half a brain WILL be able to tune it. Sure they may be frustrated by the lack of an 'autotune' feature some of these high end ecu's have but..... stiff.