Fc3s with sr20det conversion
12-01-06, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by NOPR
uhh... no.
a kouki S14 ALONE will run 8000-10,000
an S5 TII will run more around 5000-6000. and S4 TII can be had for 3000-4000. this is with a very competetive chassis, equally powerful engine with similar potential, better brakes standard, LSD standard, etc. explain to me how an S14 is even close to being better for the price?
a kouki S14 ALONE will run 8000-10,000
an S5 TII will run more around 5000-6000. and S4 TII can be had for 3000-4000. this is with a very competetive chassis, equally powerful engine with similar potential, better brakes standard, LSD standard, etc. explain to me how an S14 is even close to being better for the price?
some FC's 4-piston aluminum calipers and vented rotors at ALL four corners RULE!
woot!
the ONLY reasons I can think of for wanting a 240 over an FC is the rear seats on every 240, or the 240 being a better drift car.
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12-01-06, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by NOPR
uhh... no.
a kouki S14 ALONE will run 8000-10,000
an S5 TII will run more around 5000-6000. and S4 TII can be had for 3000-4000. this is with a very competetive chassis, equally powerful engine with similar potential, better brakes standard, LSD standard, etc. explain to me how an S14 is even close to being better for the price?
a kouki S14 ALONE will run 8000-10,000
an S5 TII will run more around 5000-6000. and S4 TII can be had for 3000-4000. this is with a very competetive chassis, equally powerful engine with similar potential, better brakes standard, LSD standard, etc. explain to me how an S14 is even close to being better for the price?
Benefits from a 240:
Better styling (that's an opinion... but still the headlights just look cool)
Better suspension
Better interior
Larger aftermarket
The ka24de actually turned out to be a *Phenomenal* Engine. Handling boost like a pro. Dyno sheets are all over nicoclub of 3,4 and 500 horsepower KA-T setups on Stock internals. Frankly, I've got ***** envy over the 240 guys.
Not to mention a j30 infiniti diff works in the rear. Skyline or 300zx big brakes bolt right on.
*Also* It's not like I'm just a 240sx owner and just trolling about the Rx7club... I'm an FC owner (And damn proud I might add) but the car is frankly outdated by newer suspension technology.
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12-26-06, 07:24 PM
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hell i dont know what your talking about fc not drifting well i drift the hell outa mine, but on another note i want the sr swap in my car i just need the motormount made
09-28-07, 10:50 AM
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i am doin an SR swap in my 87 right now as we speak....dont get pissed at me i have a 10th anni and am purchasing a vert to make 450 in....bought the 87 with bad apex seals and had the sr on an engine stand...so i made mounts and am making an oil pan right now. got an aluminum jdm turboII hood, s5 front bumper, and kouki taillights,
10-21-08, 08:38 PM
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God, I came into this thread thinking that there would be a fairly intelligent conversation about a legitimate motor swap that someone was interested in who was thinking just a little bit outside the box. Instead I see nothing but just flaming and spamming about peoples opinions on 240sx's. If you have no interest in actually seeing, understanding or respecting someone's hard time and effort into a swap such as this, WHY DON'T YOU GET OUT OF THE "OTHER ENGINE CONVERSIONS" thread and go on another. Everyone has their own opinions about particular motors, and this being the case of an SR20, why don't you go onto a 240sx forum and post your opinions on there.
Anyways, I have always been highly interested in this topic, and if pooh could post some pictures of his swap that would be awesome. Thanks.
Anyways, I have always been highly interested in this topic, and if pooh could post some pictures of his swap that would be awesome. Thanks.
10-22-08, 07:39 AM
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even if you spend more $$$ on a nice S14 you need to spend even more $$$ to get the brakes and lsd up to par with an FC rx7 TurboII and some other models that still had the aluminum 4pots or lsd. I think the FC is just the best bargain out there for how much of a track animal it can be without much work at all and sure the interior is dated but for a fresh and clean condition S14 you are looking at big bucks, just like an FD would be more $$$$.
with that said, sure the SR20 is a great motor for an FC and has been proven as a powerplant and it fits in the FC just fine. hasnt the SR20-RX7 swap been discussed to death? just like LS1 swaps? we all know it has been done, we all know it is awesome and we all wish we had 2 or 3 in our driveway. right!??!?!
with that said, sure the SR20 is a great motor for an FC and has been proven as a powerplant and it fits in the FC just fine. hasnt the SR20-RX7 swap been discussed to death? just like LS1 swaps? we all know it has been done, we all know it is awesome and we all wish we had 2 or 3 in our driveway. right!??!?!
10-22-08, 11:33 AM
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I have a friend that built a 240 as a drift car. Insane 240. Was running a SR20Dett, and was looking for a RB26, couldnt find a good block though. He had the Hikass system in it, (as well as the Attesa E-TS). I could be mistaken, but thats what he told me. This subject isnt talking about "The RX7 is a great drift car", no one is disputing that but theres no reason to put an SR20 in it.
And the RB26 has much better torque than the SR20 could ever hold. Ive said my two cents worth now, anyways, wish you luck on whatever you do DCsilvia
(Note:I said Hikass, yes, I meant Attessa E-TS, i dont know nissan, or many other such "import" cars, mostly because i hate them, Stupid 4 bangers. Just did some research. Yes you are correct, Hicas is a rear wheel steering system that can modify the rear wheels up to 1 degree. If you think about it though, thats basically like the Dynamic Toe in that the RX7 currently has. I knew people that could drift with that too, just a little harder to break the rear end loose according to them.)
(Second note, since im editing, and i see what this guy below me said.)
And the RB26 has much better torque than the SR20 could ever hold. Ive said my two cents worth now, anyways, wish you luck on whatever you do DCsilvia
(Note:I said Hikass, yes, I meant Attessa E-TS, i dont know nissan, or many other such "import" cars, mostly because i hate them, Stupid 4 bangers. Just did some research. Yes you are correct, Hicas is a rear wheel steering system that can modify the rear wheels up to 1 degree. If you think about it though, thats basically like the Dynamic Toe in that the RX7 currently has. I knew people that could drift with that too, just a little harder to break the rear end loose according to them.)
(Second note, since im editing, and i see what this guy below me said.)
11-02-08, 02:59 PM
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Wow I can tell hardly anyone here slides. I have a built caged SR20 S13 and my former drift car which is a caged TII 10th ani FC. My S13 has Tein tie rods and my FC is on stock tie rods but I have cut hubs and my FC has WAYYYY more steering angle than my S13 could ever get. On my FC I have to have at least 0 offset wheels in the front or it rubs. An FC is an awsome car to slide. I myself am either going to do an SR20 or a KA24det in it. I havent decided which. There is a guy that drifts a vert over here in FL that has a KA swap.
At any rate my point is dont listen to what these guys are saying, just do it. FC's have tons of room in the engine bay so it cant be that hard. The mounts are in similar locations as well so that should also make things easier.
At any rate my point is dont listen to what these guys are saying, just do it. FC's have tons of room in the engine bay so it cant be that hard. The mounts are in similar locations as well so that should also make things easier.
11-02-08, 03:01 PM
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It is competely pointless. I do have a friend who had a twin turbo RB25 setup that was nasty as hell but he ditched it to run a big single, but that is on a 6 cyl.
I built SR20's on a daily basis so I'm not a real newb when it comes to S chassis.
and the RB26 statement was completely stupid. I have owned an RB26 S13, a built stoked RB20- 2.4L S13, 3 SR20 S13's, 1 SR20 S14, and 1 KA24DET S13 and trust me the SR20 is the best way to go.
SR20's are light weight and put down plenty of power and torque, not to mention parts are muc cheaper and easier to obtain.
If "4 bangers" suck so much why does my daily driver SR S13 put down a little over 400whp on stock bottom end, is sliden on almost daily and NEVER breaks????
and please please dont even talk about torque with your rotary haha.
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05-30-10, 12:09 AM
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NOPR is right trying to find a s13-14 chassis in good enough shape for a swap is so hard cuz everyone is asking too much you mine as well get one imported and drive right side meanwhile i just picked up a 86fc with no rust anywhere 128549 original KMs only thing wrong is the power antenna is stuck and it has a door ding and you know how much i paid for it? $2700 CAD that kinda price doesnt even get you a s13 chassis with less then 200000 kms and if you want an s14 (cuz that what i was originally going to swap) no one is sellin there sexy 240 and thos who are are asking over 6-7k i spend less then 4g on a conversion and and im still in the clear with a sick S4 and a car i can work on myself.
verdict: rx7 are sick 13b's are sick na or Turbo but when it comes down to the numbers my sr20 forged everything with 850cc injectors and a gt3571R turbo FMIC and standalone E-management pulls hard as **** but hands down im learning about 13b that i still have and how little parts it has (bonus) and how crazy they can be so i think when im done this swap or have some spare money ill build the **** out of this 13b i think is just people are afraid of what they dont understand and rotary engines hands down fall into the category learn more about 13bs and soon like myself you will believe but one thing that will not change im a nissan guy for life looking for a challenge and a clean chassis game point set match
verdict: rx7 are sick 13b's are sick na or Turbo but when it comes down to the numbers my sr20 forged everything with 850cc injectors and a gt3571R turbo FMIC and standalone E-management pulls hard as **** but hands down im learning about 13b that i still have and how little parts it has (bonus) and how crazy they can be so i think when im done this swap or have some spare money ill build the **** out of this 13b i think is just people are afraid of what they dont understand and rotary engines hands down fall into the category learn more about 13bs and soon like myself you will believe but one thing that will not change im a nissan guy for life looking for a challenge and a clean chassis game point set match
05-30-10, 12:43 AM
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s14 chasis is pretty expensive for one in good condition. most go for 5k+ here in texas unless its auto which gets maybe 4.5k. i however got my FD for 5.5k in good condition (minus peeling clear coat) with 102k miles on it. for 5.5k ill take my FD over a S14 all day everyday.
05-30-10, 12:57 AM
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oh and i vote do the swap. it shouldnt be too difficult. hardest part is going to be mounting the engine on the fc chasis. i love rotaries, but i see no problem throwing in a piston engine if u so choose to. next time i blow a motor ill probably end up doing some sort of piston swap. ive got a fc vert that has seen its 3rd motor now which is currently a 13b-re single turbo. next time maybe it will be a rb25, rb26, 2jz, 1jz, lsx, who knows...although a 20b would be nice also.
05-30-10, 12:58 AM
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This has swap has been done in an FC by someone in city, too. I'm not a fan of SRs, in 240s or otherwise. They're waayyy overrated in my opinion, you can make any other engine be just as baller without being just like everyone else with an sr20 swap.
My boyfriend has a KA24DE in his s13 hatch, and this is his license plate:
This has swap has been done in an FC by someone in city, too. I'm not a fan of SRs, in 240s or otherwise. They're waayyy overrated in my opinion, you can make any other engine be just as baller without being just like everyone else with an sr20 swap.
My boyfriend has a KA24DE in his s13 hatch, and this is his license plate:
05-31-10, 04:53 PM
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LTFOL. I dunno. That's Y I wasn't going to comment... On the inverse, however, this is my take:
I could be wrong - though rarely am, but it seems to me that a majority of those people commenting on this swap like to speak, rectally, and don't know as much about engines as they profess to...
Someone on the last page said it perfect: "I'm going to say this.
the rx7 is not a great drift car. it is actually designed to NOT have the *** end go out and makes for some very violent action when it goes over the limit.
a great HANDLING car. yes."
If you look at the scope, of the engines, we'll take the NA S5 and compare the numbers: 140lbs/ft and the SR from a91 Silvia makes 132lbs/ft @ 4500rpms...
The numbers make less sense until you figure WHERE the power is applied and the point of, say, kicking out the rump...
Rotaries are notorious for having pretty crappy launch-power, in stock trim. If you compare these two cars, in their stock trim, no mods, add-ons, or bullshit, the SR will take the FC in the short, but the tach will will, in the end.
Secondarily, look at the BILLION of dyno sheets available for both the SR and the 13B, then add up the cost of the mods...
Minus the cost of the actual swap, itself, the SR comes out cheaper.... Well, normally.
If I were to go this route - which we're thing about, which is why I'm here, in the first place, I'd go KA, not SR.
I could be wrong - though rarely am, but it seems to me that a majority of those people commenting on this swap like to speak, rectally, and don't know as much about engines as they profess to...
Someone on the last page said it perfect: "I'm going to say this.
the rx7 is not a great drift car. it is actually designed to NOT have the *** end go out and makes for some very violent action when it goes over the limit.
a great HANDLING car. yes."
If you look at the scope, of the engines, we'll take the NA S5 and compare the numbers: 140lbs/ft and the SR from a91 Silvia makes 132lbs/ft @ 4500rpms...
The numbers make less sense until you figure WHERE the power is applied and the point of, say, kicking out the rump...
Rotaries are notorious for having pretty crappy launch-power, in stock trim. If you compare these two cars, in their stock trim, no mods, add-ons, or bullshit, the SR will take the FC in the short, but the tach will will, in the end.
Secondarily, look at the BILLION of dyno sheets available for both the SR and the 13B, then add up the cost of the mods...
Minus the cost of the actual swap, itself, the SR comes out cheaper.... Well, normally.
If I were to go this route - which we're thing about, which is why I'm here, in the first place, I'd go KA, not SR.
06-01-10, 02:39 AM
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im actually going ka as we speak(gettin al lthe parts togethe as im in afghanistan) im not doing KA-t im actually supercharging it(also have all the necessary parts for that as well) but ya,if you look around on the internet,people take the rar swaw bar out,it actually allows it to slide out,AND is still controllable despite initial expectations. i used to love the 13b,its just over played,to get the numbers i want out of a 13b(or t) compared to a KA ,is just redicilous,im looking at 230tq at 2100rpm's(also depending on cams,timing and other aspects)