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V8's are for quiters and those who don't know how to build a reliable rotary. An LS1 in a 3rd gen hey it's your car do as you please. But it isn't a Mazda RX7 anymore it's just another monstrosity someone built up. The only person here I give credit to is Jimlab anyways it seems he does build his own cars and fabricates things himself. Every other person seems to pay someone else to do the job which is fine and dandy but then they go on to bash rotarys saying that the LS1 they built will own a rotary. You didn't build it you payed someone to build it for you. Most LS1 swaps I've seen have been stock motors built up with bolt ons. I'm a little more intimate with my motors in the fact that I build them. I do all the work, the fabrication and basically everything on my car. And I don't own an RX anything I do have a Datsun 1200 with a 13brew in it. Oh it is under 2000lbs with me in it. Hope to see you V8 3rd gens at a stop light someday.

wingsfan

Yeah, good call there. I didn't realize I paid someone else to do my swap. here all this time I thought I turned all the wrenches myself.

You haven't the slightest ******* clue what you're talking about, so how 'bout you keep that yap shut?

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LT1RX7

Has to be one of the stupidest rotard comments ever.

End up like disaters? The guy had a part failure. God knows no other car has that happen. Oh wait there arent any RUNNING rx7 running 9.65@142 in the quarter to compare his car to.

Please please let this *** hat live somewhere near a swapped LS1 FD.

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Ahhh it's funny to see how you V8 guys get so worked up. Makes me laugh. No replacement for displacement yes it's true but it's more impressive to do it with a smaller displacement motor or is that rotor. Hmmm.

LT1RX7

I have to retract my statement in the last post about the dumbest rotard comment ever, this dumbass takes the cake.

First he says V8's are for quiters who dont know how to build a rotary then in the same breath says he swapped a rotary into a Datsun, maybe you are just a quiter that doesnt know how to build a V8.

Jimlab builds his own stuff??? Really? Last time I checked he didnt TOUCH his motor during the build, he didnt fabricate his rear cradle etc etc. Just another dumbass comment.

If you want to see my conversion that I did (or wingsfan) we can post up plenty of pictures so shut the **** up.


Douche bag

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Man you guys get angry. I'm sorry that my little Datsun 1200 will own you. Now who's the dumbass. Times are times the clock doesn't lie when going down the quarter mile.

LT1RX7

What do you run? We can line them up I have no problem doing that.

I am not mad at all the comments you made dont make sense.

wingsfan

There are always faster cars. I don't take issue with that. I take issue with you talking out of your ***, saying that Jim's swap is the only one worthy of respect. An ******* comment if there ever was one. You might as well spit in my face.

I also take issue with your assessment that I just paid to have someone else do my swap for me. There is a ton of fabrication in my swap as it started as your plain-jane LS1 swap, and morphed into a one off single turbo conversion.

https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...2&postcount=79

https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...5&postcount=80

Those look like off the shelf bolt-ons to you?

Given the tone and phrasing of your statement, of course I'm going to take issue with it.

So you have a fast Datsun. Good for you? Who cares? It's not like you've invented something novel. You took a light frame and put a potent engine in it. Oooh! Rocket science.

GsrSol

You're a ******* idiot and a quiter yourself, you did a motor swap so what was wrong with the Datsun motor?

Right, cause now it's a Focus. By pulling the motor I changed the whole damn chassis.

So I guess you hand built your turbo, intercooler, radiator, etc. Bitch I built this car my damn self. Sure I had someone make me a subframe, just like you had someone make you a bigger turbo.

Do you not get it? We don't need alot of mods to go fast. You don't have to be jealous cause our swaps look better then yours.

LT1RX7

What does this guy run? He was quick to post until I asked a question

LT1RX7

Christ does his car even run yet?

Skele4door

Umm, wouldn't that make your Datsun 1200 "just another monstrosity someone built up"???

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Since you guys want to get into a pissing contest here you go http://www.raycar.freeservers.com/photo5.html and I'm a bit partial to LS1's why then would I have a throttlebody from a 2000 Corvette. This is my last post on this subject. Have a good day.

LT1RX7

Edit I saw the link you have a fast RACE CAR. If I make mine a full flegged race car I would love to line them up with you. Even if I dont,I still may have something for you though

Oh and isnt it funny that this guy says

"Every other person seems to pay someone else to do the job which is fine and dandy but then they go on to bash rotarys saying that the LS1 they built will own a rotary. You didn't build it you payed someone to build it for you. .........I'm a little more intimate with my motors in the fact that I build them. I do all the work, the fabrication and basically everything on my car."

But on his website it say

"Joe Cuevas(chassis builder)
Joe cuevas of Sterling Race Crafts (Orlando,Fl)built the car. He also set the suspension on the car. "

Ironic you are saying WE are punks cause we dont do our own work when in reality WE DO our own work and you dont do ****.

You are a fool

GsrSol

You come here and start talking **** then blame us for the pissing contest. That must be your dads car cause you need to grow up.

Have you met Stretch??

digitalsolo

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Wow, most of the fanboys on here are dense, but you sir, are exceptional.

I'd venture 90% plus of the swapped cars were built by their owners. I built my LS1 from the bottom up, and built everything but the motor mounts for the swap myself. Did you build your rotary motor mounts?

LOL, bring your Datsun along. Maybe you'll win, maybe you won't. Win or lose, you'll still be a dick.

LT1RX7

He did NOT build the car someone else did.

Also let me see you run me at a light with that car. It is a full out tubbed, clutchless trans, stripped interior RACE CAR. FOr what it is it is still slow

LT1RX7

BTW nice duck tape on the trans tunnel. That must have been what YOU contributed to the build

stilettoman

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"V8's are for quiters and those who don't know how to build a reliable rotary. "

There is no way you or anyone else can build a 2 rotor motor that will even come close to the torque and driveability of my Ford powered 1st Gen RX-7. A 20b can come closer, but still no comparison, and now you are dealing with a rare motor in the US, and poor parts availability. Whatever you can do with any rotary engine, a small block V8 will do it better, whether you are talking about torque, horsepower, fuel efficiency, or weight. What matters is torque or horsepower per pound of engine installed weight, and fuel burned per horsepower per mile. The rotary engine cannot compete in any of these categories. My Ford won't turn 10,000 rpm without breaking, but it does not need to exceed 6500 to keep up with your rotary.

As for " disasters", I drive my RX-7 to work and back, about 80 miles a day, and I love it. Still waiting for my first disaster.

The statement about people not doing the work themselves is really dumb. If you read some of the writeups on Granny's website, you will realize that most people do most of their own work. I paid someone else to fabricate my driveline and exhaust system, as I don't have a big enough lathe for the driveshaft, and I certainly don't have a bender for 3 inch tubing. I also paid someone to assemble my engine, as my experience is mostly with rotary engines. But there is a lot of fabrication in a conversion, and I made my own engine and tranny mounts, throttle mechanism, radiator mounting (in the nose) and all the numerous little details, which you obviously would not know about because if you ever ever actually built anything with your own hands, you would never make such stupid statements.

Nihilanthic

This whole thread is just a giant clusterfuck.

The Rotary powered Datsun funnycar is about as applicable to this as a topfuel dragster is to pistons buddo. I could go build a 2000 lb ls1 powered funny car and then we'll see what happens, hows that? Hell, a 2000lb Datsun would be easy. How about a 240Z with a corvette drivetrain that I can actually drive on the street? Oh, maybe I should go put a turbo on it so I can take it on a dragstrip...

And anyway, people calling rotaries complicated are pretty silly. The most complicated ones Ive seen are the renesis and the 80s 6-ports. Most are pretty damn simple, actually. Piston engines hare many many many more moving parts than a rotary, yet somehow are actually a lot more reliable, AND more efficient - imagine that! Rotaries have their place, but on this pedistal youve placed them is not one of them. And you know what? Stock ones can be pretty reliable, but once you turn up the power with wild port jobs or lots of boost, its not anymore. These primitive V8s that must have been built by smacking rocks into lumps of volcanic iron ore somehow manage to be quite a bit more reliable, unless you use cast internals and super high compression with boost, but any engine would detonate from a crappy build.

Now, the original poster being against of "v-engines in general" after backpedaling regarding calling a LS1 "primitive" or "basic" is pretty damn amusing, personally, but its completely and totally unfounded. Whats wrong with V- engines? Its cramming more displacement in the same engine size, and its just asking for a pushrod valvetrain to let the heads get smaller. And dont rag on pushrods, they can take all the lift and all the revs you want to give them, but in the past, regular ones would bend or break. In the past all engines were pretty crummy compared to today. But to go on the "v-enigne" thing, why the hell are you against them? More engine in less space, and in the case of v8s theyre actually rather smooth running! They also are naturally disposed to cross-flow heads (well, everything has them these days) and twin turbos because of their banks. Oh, and V-engines are nice and short giving you room infront of it for a radiator, accessories, intercooler, etc.

DISPLACEMENT IS A GOOD THING. You should go educate yourself about what VE% is, why it matters, and then go look at compressor maps for turbos. Oh, and get this - a OEM LS1 camaros gotten 36 mpg on the highway cruising at around 80. I dont remember what rear gear he was running, but needless to say he was in 6th gear the whole time :P. V8 swaps in RX-7s tend to retain the tall 4.1 rear gear, which isnt the best for mileage, but as soon as people figure out how to get taller gears expect MPGs to go up and ETs to go down.

V8s are one of those 'happy medium' kind of engine geometries that just work in a lot of applications - racing, street performance, trucks, and just passenger cars. Looking backwards to the 60s and 70s and comparing something now to then is ridiculous. Look at the current models.

And if you want to see some 'technological' v8, go look at the japanese, european, and espeically exotic ones. Hell, Chevy made the LT5, a DOHC v8, but didnt keep it. Why? They could do the same, for cheaper, with pushrods. Not everyone needs a ton of buzzwords and complexity to feel good about their purchase because they can actually look at the facts behind what is made, regardless of how its done.

RoadRaceJosh

Yes, I'm sure that Datsun 1200 with the FD motor is just as comfortable and handles just as well as an FD with an LS1. You ever turn corners in your 1200? Run laps around a track instead of just using 1/2 mile of straight asphalt? Most folks only do bolt ons with their LS1 as that's all they need to slay 99+% of the cars on the road.

How many passes does that 13B-REW last? What kind of milage do you get on the freeway? Ever drive the 1200 to work in bad weather? Your 1200 is less practical than the Henry J I saw with a blown 500" Cadillac engine. At least that car would idle without deafening the driver and everyone within 2 blocks.

Have you gotten the point that comparing a purpose built race car with a street car is comparing apples and oranges? My track day FC project would loose horribly to your 1200 in the 1/4, but I'd own you on an auto cross or road course.

Nihilanthic

IIRC its tubed out... its a funnycar! Apples to dogshit is more like it.

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