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Old Jun 13, 2006 | 09:20 PM
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Best engine to put into a 3rd Gen

Im looking for peoples opinions on engine swaps for a 3rd Gen Rx-7. What do you guys think is the best engine to put in.
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Old Jun 13, 2006 | 09:49 PM
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An LS7, failing that an LS1 failing that perhaps a GN Turbo 6 motor?
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Old Jun 13, 2006 | 10:06 PM
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LS7 or 20B
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Old Jun 14, 2006 | 12:12 AM
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^^^ agree with everyone one here...ls1 - ls7 series motors are light and powerfull...and theres aftermarket to get the motor in...and help if you run into a problem
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Old Jun 14, 2006 | 12:43 AM
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Maybe I'm crazy, but going with a small, light, very powerful, amazing volumetric efficiency theme, I'd love to see a Powertek 3.0L V8 in one (the engine Radical built for the SR8). I don't think any have actually been built yet, but it should top 430hp at the flywheel. The 2.6L makes 380hp. It's basically 2 Hiabusa engines put together to make a V8, very cool.

Other than that, LS7, or a 20B if you want to stay rotary.
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Old Jun 14, 2006 | 01:46 AM
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i say a 20b because the car is a rotary you should keep it a rotary
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Old Jun 14, 2006 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by plzbelieviet
i say a 20b because the car is a rotary you should keep it a rotary
Nah! take the R out of RX7
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Old Jun 14, 2006 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by plzbelieviet
i say a 20b because the car is a rotary you should keep it a rotary
The car's not a rotary. Rotaries are engines. The car is an RX-7. Or did I miss something?
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Old Jun 14, 2006 | 09:57 PM
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13b-rew
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Old Jun 14, 2006 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by plzbelieviet
i say a 20b because the car is a rotary you should keep it a rotary
What engine the car from the factory with shouldn't effect what type of engine you choose to replace it with.
If your going to swap it, swap it with the biggest best engine that will fit.
(Hint LSx)
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Old Jun 14, 2006 | 11:30 PM
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LS7 is the ultimate choice but expensive

you can have a decently built 402 stroker LS2 making over 550rwhp for less if not the same price. SLP sells built shortblocks and all you gotta do is find the rest of the parts to go along with it.

an LS1 or LS2 can be built to make great power. so they are great choices.

also, the LQ9 is a great motor... the 6.0 liter truck motor found in the bigger silverados and the escalade. one guy i know swapped this in his truck and for cheap, he has made tons of power and is running very quick times. hasnt been to a real track yet but at this past weekends Thunder in the Burgh, he ran the 330foot in low 5's.. i think 5.1 so thats really moving
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Old Jun 17, 2006 | 10:53 PM
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Whatever you decide keep it domestic and common. You want it reliable ,fun and easy to get parts for...right? Put some "special" engine in there and good luck finding parts in a hurry or for that matter affordable parts. For these reasons I favor the LT-1 there common can be found in junk yards and affordable. The LS-1 is also a great engine a step above the LT-1 but not as cheap and youll never find one in a wrecking yard. As for the newer GM engines they really seem to have only improved but also cost more$$$$$$$$$! Remember your going to need $$$ for the rest of the conversion. RX-7 V8 conversions make for a very fast and reliable car but with any conversion you will get nickle and dimed to death until its done. So if you have 5,000 for a budget I wouldnt spend over 1,000 for the actual engine. You can easily get a nice low mileage LT-1 with transmission harness and ecu for 1,000. Just keep in mind your going to need a custom exhaust,bigger radiator,bigger electric fan,grannys or hinsons subframe$$$$ and other items. Just my opinion,good luck.
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Old Jun 18, 2006 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by custom13B
and youll never find one in a wrecking yard.
That's simply not true. Almost all of us that have swapped our drivetrains to LS1 power got their motors from a wrecking yard.
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Old Jun 18, 2006 | 12:30 PM
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Well consider yourself lucky then. I have never seen one in a wrecking yard so I am sticking with what I said earlier.
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Old Jun 18, 2006 | 12:37 PM
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Well consider yourself lucky then.
Yeah. me and a couple hundred other engine swappers are lucky.

I have never seen one in a wrecking yard so I am sticking with what I said earlier.
Just becasue YOU haven't seen it doesn't make you any less wrong.

I got my drivetrain pullout from F-Parts through ebay (http://www.contemporarycorvette.com/)

They are readily available here too.
http://car-part.com/

Any engine from an 98-2002 F-body will suffice.
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Old Jun 18, 2006 | 02:23 PM
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I think what he meant is you will never find a LS1 in a pick n pull style junk yard where you get the whole setup for like $500. With that said I've only seen one LT1 at pick n pull and it wasn't complete and it was a caprice motor.
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Old Jun 18, 2006 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by wingsfan
Yeah. me and a couple hundred other engine swappers are lucky.



Just becasue YOU haven't seen it doesn't make you any less wrong.

I got my drivetrain pullout from F-Parts through ebay (http://www.contemporarycorvette.com/)

They are readily available here too.
http://car-part.com/

Any engine from an 98-2002 F-body will suffice.
Agreed.

I got mine from Contemporary Corvette as well, and they are a genuine "wrecking yard" just like any of the rest of them. You can get an engine/trans setup there for less than $1k, but not an LS1, simply because the market commands a higher price.
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Old Jun 18, 2006 | 10:13 PM
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Crash, You seem pretty bent on proving me wrong. If I'm wrong so be it...thats part of life. I've been to many jards regular and pick n pull types and never saw a single LS1,I wish I had but I hav'nt. Dosnt mean it dosnt happen just saying its unlikely. I was just suggesting to the thread starter to go with something common so if he needs a coil mounting bracket or whatever he can just go to the yard and grab one rather than ordering one and waiting for it to come in. Im just here for fun and to try and help out the new guys. If you still want to say Im wrong...go right ahead and knock yourself out,Shawn
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Old Jun 18, 2006 | 11:53 PM
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yeah LT1/LS1's would be hard to find in junk yards of multiple vehicle types....

i'm lucky to have a shop/yard near me that collects mostly GM cars, being fbodies and trucks... all of which have good motors.

those little 5.3 motors in those trucks are potent too!
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Old Jun 19, 2006 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by custom13B
You seem pretty bent on proving me wrong.
It's nothing personal. You stated something erroneous, and it was pointed out to you.

I was just suggesting to the thread starter to go with something common so if he needs a coil mounting bracket or whatever he can just go to the yard and grab one rather than ordering one and waiting for it to come in.
While I can appreciate the need to save a buck, and the convenience of not having to wait a day or two for your part to come in, IMHO that's a poor reason to choose a drivetrain. Just because something is common doesn't mean that the local junker is going to have exactly what you need.

One of the nice things about using an LSx series motor is that they are still in production, and parts are thus readily available, even through your local dealer. Sure the expense is greater, but you pay to play. If you can't afford new parts, you've got no business messing with an FD.


Im just here for fun and to try and help out the new guys.
The thread starter asked specifically about 3rd gens. There are more than a few reasons why the LSx series of motors are the flavor of choice if you're considering piston power, even over a good powerplant like an LTx series motor. Not the least of which is the availablity of a conversion kit that works. Throw in power potential, decreased weight, the lack of the troublesome Optispark system, and Erector-set like modularity to the motor and there's no contest. The only downside is cost. And IMHO if you're on a shoestring budget you've got no business messing with an FD.

If you still want to say Im wrong...go right ahead and knock yourself out,Shawn
There's no reason to get butthurt about it. You made an erroneous statement and got refuted. It's not even in doubt.
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Old Jun 19, 2006 | 07:57 AM
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Whatever you choose, keep it a rotary. Never understood the guys who put Vette engines in their cars. If you want a Vette, go buy one. (Not flaming anybody...just venting.)
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Old Jun 19, 2006 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by rx7twinturboboy
Never understood the guys who put Vette engines in their cars.
The reasons why have been covered ad naseum. You might try reading a few.


If you want a Vette, go buy one. (Not flaming anybody...just venting.)
That has to be the most played out cliche against engine swaps.
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Old Jun 19, 2006 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by wingsfan
The reasons why have been covered ad naseum. You might try reading a few.




That has to be the most played out cliche against engine swaps.
Yeah, i know the reasons why, and yes...i've read a few of them. It just doesn't make sense to me. The RX-7 is a rotary, and it should stay that way. I'm fine with my Corvette engine in my Corvette, there is no reason to make the swap. I said i wasn't flaming anybody for doing it, i was just venting over the idea.

Relax!
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Old Jun 19, 2006 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by rx7twinturboboy
Whatever you choose, keep it a rotary. Never understood the guys who put Vette engines in their cars. If you want a Vette, go buy one. (Not flaming anybody...just venting.)
I love my corvette, and I love the LS1 that powers it. I also love the FD except for one painful thing, and that's the engine that powers it. you have no logical argument about why people should keep the rotary engine over doing an engine swap for their cars. Every argument you put out, can be rebuted with hard facts about why the engine replacing the rotary will be superior.

Great gas mileage? Check. Minimal weight gained? Check. Parts available anywhere? Check. Even your local hole in the wall mechanic can work on it? Check. Smooth powerband? Check. Superior sound? Check. Great reliability? Check.

I'm not seeing any downsides to these swaps other than cost. And after 2-3 rotary rebuilds, I think that would be offset anyway.
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Old Jun 19, 2006 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by rx7twinturboboy
Yeah, i know the reasons why, and yes...i've read a few of them. It just doesn't make sense to me.
Well thank god you wandered into the other engine conversions subforum to share that opinion with all of us.

The RX-7 is a rotary
No, the RX-7 is a car. The 13brew that powers it is a rotary.

I'm fine with my Corvette engine in my Corvette, there is no reason to make the swap.
Except for the resulting smaller, lighter car not burdened with traction control, power seats, etc.

I said i wasn't flaming anybody for doing it, i was just venting over the idea.
Great. Go vent someplace else. It doesn't serve any constructive purpose here.
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