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Old 03-24-12, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisRX8PR
Don't forget your turbo exits to 5" on the hot side so you will need a reducer.

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Thanks, its going to be a tight fit.
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Originally Posted by ChrisRX8PR
Oh wow, thanks Man! I was going to have to draw those to be able to program them, Now I can just work on CAM side of things...

I recognized the oil pedestal one and the other ones seems like its the bolt pattern from the BRE mani with a round hole for my throttle...am I correct?

Thanks a million!

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Like I said you're going to have to check up on the dimensions first before you cut anything. Oil pedestal is correct although you should probably weld some fittings directly onto to the iron base instead as it's a very very tight fit with the transmission line there(PITA). No the second plate is actually the MAF base(which is dimension correct) to weld to the filter intake. Trust me you do need the damn MAF, not only because you are using the stock tb but because without it the alternator doesn't charge the battery correctly(only like 10-11volts)/pretty fcuked up right? That was a bitch to find out!!! Is there anything else you need?
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Old 03-24-12, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dznutzuk
Like I said you're going to have to check up on the dimensions first before you cut anything. Oil pedestal is correct although you should probably weld some fittings directly onto to the iron base instead as it's a very very tight fit with the transmission line there(PITA). No the second plate is actually the MAF base(which is dimension correct) to weld to the filter intake. Trust me you do need the damn MAF, not only because you are using the stock tb but because without it the alternator doesn't charge the battery correctly(only like 10-11volts)/pretty fcuked up right? That was a bitch to find out!!! Is there anything else you need?
Nice!...I checked the dimensions and they were a bit off...I also had issues importing it into Mastercam so I decided to draw my own for the throttle flange. I will use the oil one though...it seems right. I appreciate the help!

I will post some pics of the CAM process as well as the cutting...

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Here is the CAD/CAM process...

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First measuring the BRE throttle with the CMM...
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Then drawing...

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Ready to Cut...

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Old 03-24-12, 05:14 PM
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Simulation...now to cut some actual metal...

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Old 03-24-12, 08:04 PM
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First side done! Now need to do the backside...will pick back up tomorrow.

Cheers!

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Old 03-24-12, 08:10 PM
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Another shot...

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Old 03-25-12, 06:23 AM
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Lucky bstard...
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Here is modeling for the other side...

The plan is to taper all 3 diameters into the 3.5" throttle hole from the other side and then make a cut that encompasses the areas where they meet so the flow is not disrupted through there. It isn't very clear in the simulation but it will make sense when you see the finished part.

Cheers!


Here is the drawing of the "common areas" between the RX-8 throttle and the 3 butterflies from the BRE throttle.

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We begin by tapering in the diameters

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Chamfer the backside profile...

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And then cut the common areas...

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Old 03-25-12, 04:15 PM
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Finished! Transitions look great...

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Old 03-25-12, 04:19 PM
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Mocked up on both throttle bodies just to check transitions and finally thrown on the UIM...

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Old 03-25-12, 04:46 PM
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Updated list...

Machine front cover - STARTED
Weld front cover
Front cover oil line
Machine front pulley spacer
Driver engine mount finish
Pass engine mount finish
Finish LIM (welding, holes etc) - STARTED
Drill UIM bolt hole
Make Throttle body adapter-DONE!
Oil filter Pedestal (machine, relocate, whatever)
Modify Water Pump Outlet - STARTED
Oil pan and pickup
Alternator Adapter
Custom Alternator Tensioner
Relocate OEM ECU to Firewall
Install Wastegates
Make Downpipe - STARTED
Make Wastegate dump
Fuel rail mod
Make/Modify Fuel lines
Make Turbo Oil lines
Make Radiator cover plate
Water reservoir
Intercooler mount
Cut Intercooler piping
Weld Intercooler piping
Weld BOV
Replace exhaust sleeves
Machine engine for studs/Dowels
Make Ignition Bracket
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Just thinking maybe you should have opened up the intake manifold and removed all the separators since you're now going to use a single tb(PITA)?
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Looking good!

Would love to see a ball mill in there though
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lots of work. would it be easier to have swapped chassis than motors?
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Originally Posted by dznutzuk
Just thinking maybe you should have opened up the intake manifold and removed all the separators since you're now going to use a single tb(PITA)?
Perhaps... But I'm not sure what I will do in the future... I can still blend the area that's exposed... Not too worried about that.

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Originally Posted by gusfd3s
Looking good!

Would love to see a ball mill in there though
Hehe, thanks. I have ball end mills but used a corner radius end mill instead because I could use it to mill flat if I wanted to. It probably looks rough in the pics but the corner radius is 1/8 which blends the steps nicely when you run your finger through it... It just looks ribbed which I like

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not really, isn't that the point of a swap?

I'm putting more work into this than what is needed because I want to... It's part of the fun. I couldve done the swap with way less work but why?

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lots of work. would it be easier to have swapped chassis than motors?
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Originally Posted by ChrisRX8PR
you run your finger through it... It just looks ribbed which I like
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Ribbed for his pleasure. Sorry I just had to...
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Ribbed for his pleasure. Sorry I just had to...
HAhaha...LOL

Boy did I walk right into that one...I don't blame you...

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Finished reinforcing the Passenger Side Engine Mount. Its all 1/4" Steel and weights a ton but I need it to hold all that I can throw at it...

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Worked on the water outlet a bit...waiting for all the aluminum welding to be ready before I work on that...

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Put an hour or so into the Alternator pulley. I decided that I wanted to keep it in the stock location, from here, moving it forward is the only option. I settled on making an adapter bracket/spacer to move the Alternator fwd so it can be turned with the front crank pulley instead of the rear one as is stock. The only problem then would be that the front pulley is 19% bigger than the rear one which would mean the alternator would overspin so I started working on a 20% larger alternator pulley to slow it down to stock levels. Of course, while Im at it, I will mill a rotor shape into the front of it

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Ok...at first when I was reading this thread it was looking like the average guy's RX8 conversion...then you busted out the CAD and water-jet cutting machine (don't know the real name...lol) and now I'm feeling ummm....betrayed lol. It doesn't mean I'm not in awe of the work...because I am...and I can't wait to see how this turns out!
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where do you work mate ? I think you have some of my new favorite tools !!


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