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Old Oct 2, 2007 | 03:40 PM
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thare you go guys, 1.6l , Direct injected, all aluminun engine:

http://rotarynews.com/node/view/949

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http://www.mazda.com/publicity/relea...10/071002.html
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Old Oct 2, 2007 | 09:28 PM
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at this point, all i'm interested in is a new engine. it would be just a matter of time before a decent-looking car is wrapped around it.
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Old Oct 2, 2007 | 09:39 PM
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Aluminum side ports, what about rotors though?
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Old Oct 2, 2007 | 09:46 PM
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I'm sorry, but what the HELL was the design team for the Taiki thinking? The front end is okay, but the fact that the undercarriage moves up toward the back, and that HIDEOUS rear end... just ew.

That said, the 16a sounds enticing. If they get away from these too-far-out-there concepts, and make something that looks like I car, and not a horribly deformed one, I would buy a next-generation Rotary-powered car. Otherwise, I just hope there's a good way to drop a 16A-TT in an FD chassis.
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Old Oct 2, 2007 | 09:47 PM
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Wait... is this ****** gonna be a Renesis? If so, thats lame.
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Old Oct 5, 2007 | 08:42 PM
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Looks Swweeeeet imo. I was getting bored with new toyota and nissan coupes because they all looked the same.
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Old Oct 7, 2007 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 1RevvinFC3S
Wait... is this ****** gonna be a Renesis? If so, thats lame.
how so? A renesis with more torque at all engine speed sounds good to me.
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Old Oct 7, 2007 | 09:22 PM
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alright, heres a shitty MS paintchop I did in about 5 minutes between the new taiki concept and the kabura's back end. I have ZERO photoshop skills and I did it in paint, so enjoy



This is to show those that say this concept is butt ugly and useless that yes, it can be used as a design study.

Last edited by a.y.b.; Oct 7, 2007 at 09:38 PM.
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Old Oct 7, 2007 | 10:12 PM
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^^^ AND flippy lights + turn lamps = TRUE RX-7 CONCEPT.... and of course with the 16X engine lol
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Old Oct 8, 2007 | 12:16 AM
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Aluminum side ports, what about rotors though?
Almost certainly iron rotors. The cooling necessary with an aluminum rotor would be ridiculous. You need to keep the whole thing below 350F when the combustion chamber gets up to 4000F. That's easy with the housing: just bathe it with coolant and problem solved. Moving coolant conducts heat far better than air or metal, so your housing temp is essentially the same as your coolant temp. With the rotor what are you going to do? Fill the entire thing with oil? You'd need to or the apexes would be much hotter than the center. Or you could just cool the center and use an iron rotor, which can withstand several hundred degrees without softening.

That brings up another issue. I'll bet the new Renesis' aluminum housings will require extra cooling which will mean more put into the coolant and probably lower thermal efficiency. I'm guessing the aluminum housings were a compromise to keep the weight of the larger engine down to a reasonable amount at the cost of a slightly larger radiator and slightly worse fuel economy. Plus the direct injection improves fuel economy so maybe they think they can afford this. Or are the 13B iron housing parts already cooled with direct coolant contact? (vs. part of them being some distance away from the coolant) In that case there's no disadvantage I can see.
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Old Oct 8, 2007 | 12:19 AM
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Old Oct 8, 2007 | 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ericgrau
Almost certainly iron rotors. The cooling necessary with an aluminum rotor would be ridiculous. You need to keep the whole thing below 350F when the combustion chamber gets up to 4000F. That's easy with the housing: just bathe it with coolant and problem solved. Moving coolant conducts heat far better than air or metal, so your housing temp is essentially the same as your coolant temp. With the rotor what are you going to do? Fill the entire thing with oil? You'd need to or the apexes would be much hotter than the center. Or you could just cool the center and use an iron rotor, which can withstand several hundred degrees without softening.

That brings up another issue. I'll bet the new Renesis' aluminum housings will require extra cooling which will mean more put into the coolant and probably lower thermal efficiency. I'm guessing the aluminum housings were a compromise to keep the weight of the larger engine down to a reasonable amount at the cost of a slightly larger radiator and slightly worse fuel economy. Plus the direct injection improves fuel economy so maybe they think they can afford this. Or are the 13B iron housing parts already cooled with direct coolant contact? (vs. part of them being some distance away from the coolant) In that case there's no disadvantage I can see.
The coolant flows around the housing, if you look at picture of a housing or sideplates, all the holes on the outside is where the coolant flows. So essential it would be the same. As far as increasing capacity of water around there is not true neither. With the longer and wider chamber, you can still retain the same volume of water flowing in there, and because you have more contact of the coolant, hitting the hotter part of the are facing the inside of the engine the more efficient actually the coolant would be.
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