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hahahaha

from what i understand, FE3S is a nickname made up to follow in the FC, FD line. just like a first gen is actually a chasis code SA22, but ppl call them FBs because it fits in with the more popular (FC and FD naming conventions) altho i could be wrong, this is what i was always told. can someone else verify as now im curious?

also, i agree, the RX8 is a GREAT car and it handles AMAZINGLY. seriously one of the best handling cars i have ever driven (and i didnt even really get to push it as it was not mine). i think it handles better than a zz MR2 (3rd gen, commonly known as the "spyder") and that is hailed as one of the greatest as well. i just have a preference to fds and their styling as i like "retro" cars (80s up to mid-90s) but thats just me preference. but i think we can both agree that yes rx8s are damn good cars. as are fds

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update:: i just did some research. turns out that the SE3P is the japanese vin code, where as the FE is in the US. however according to this source, the chasis code itself is SE3P, of course, both of these sources could be wrong. so i guess we were both right!

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showt...91#post4684591

http://project.r.tripod.com/id5.html

rowtareh?

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I was speaking of the USDM chassis code, I don't care what the code is in Japan or Australia. SA22C was 79&80, FB3S was 81-85. It is fact, not opinion or something of that nature.


I don't hate the FD's aesthetic looks, but when you look at what looks better during the time period of it coming out. The FD was not amazing looking, monster truck lift, ugly *** wheels, that horrible VR and MB paint, those are horrible choices for paint. I am so sick of red.


Now look at the RX-8 in it's time period. 18" wheels, HID's standard(if I recall correctly). But then, a well done and lowered FD with some nice wheels is a complete knockout, and not many RX-8's can look anywhere close to it.


I hope to get a used RX-8 in about a year or so, I really want one for a DD.

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really? i had no idea about the fb3s being an actual chasis code, thats cool. as far as the SE3P v FE3S goes, i thinkthey get thrown around interchangeably alot even tho its dependent on the region, so i guess either one works.

this is where rx-8s beat any rx-7. they are definately more comfy and luxirious, have a great sound system, WORKING A/C, smooth ride, great sound insulation, etc. they really do make an awesome DD. i guess they get better fuel mileage too? anything over 12 city/16 hwy is a step up for me haha... of course thats with regular boosting

89-7coder

I'll take the stock FD looks over almost anything ever. It's definitely better than the 8. The wheels are uninspiring, but they look good in black, imho. And the factory Montego Blue paint is fantastic! Take a more modern chassis, the 16X with or without a turbo, fit it all inside a '99 spec FD shell and spend a couple hours googling for better wheels, and you've got a winner in my book.

I wonder if they could give us an optional turbo, like on the FC? Then we could all have an N/A as a reliable daily driver and a turbo for fun... Given that the NA FCs were so much more reliable than the FD, maybe if Mazda had left the turbo as an option the FD wouldn't have gotten such a rotten reputation for bad reliability and they wouldn't have had to kill it off?

stinksause

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Haven't there been more specs on the 16x ... I remember hearing somewhere that it would be a relatively easy swap as its dimensions are very close to the 13b and Renesis.

I am also pretty sure they have produced running version of it ... Wasn't there a video a while back of a Furai at the track with a 16x? Whatever happened to the Furai anyway, I thought Mazda came closer to producing it than any of the other weird concepts

daviddeep

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I think you're unfairly judging the FD's looks against the current trends in styling. In 1992 when it debuted, the "ugly *** wheels" were actually in keeping with the then semi-organic, semi-retro aesthetic that was popular then. They really aren't too far from the pseudo-Minilite look wheels of the First Gen Miata. As to the fact that the car didn't have a lower stance from the factory, again, nothing in 1992 did. I don't quite understand your beef with the Vintage Red, a color which is pretty comparable to the reds offered for sports cars since the beginning of time. Again, in 1992 the classic solid colors were in style for sports cars, hence the red, white, silver, black, etc. On the other hand, I agree completely with the knock on Montego Blue. I didn't like it in 1992 and I don't like it much better now. It actually looked too much like an attempt to be trendy along the lines of the early color-shifting paints, etc. Also too similar to all the turquoises and teals that were all the rage then, but started looking dated a few years later.

That said, the FD certainly had its critics in 1992. Some said it was too much a copy of 1960s Italian shapes, others hated the one-piece taillight with the upkick in the center. Personally, I thought it was beautiful!

Agreed that this new Mazda corporate face front-end looks like Joan Rivers or the Joker, and is pretty ghastly. If they ever do get around to making a new RX-7 or RX-9, let's hope it doesn't look like that. How dated will that look five years after it's released?

FD Insanity

Mazda sold the rights to the rotary motor to another company.. You will not be seeing another rotary powered mazda.

FD Insanity

How can you hate a red sports car Rowtareh?? You must not be american.

ultrataco

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What? I'm pretty sure that's not true. Where did you hear that?

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are you on crack??

orion84gsl

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How about some proof to back up such a ridiculous claim. Considering Mazda is the only company offering a production street vehicle with a rotary, and they have been doing so for what, over 40 years? They have a cult following, and they're just gonna sell that off? On top of that, any company can make a rotary engine if they please, however they have to design it from the ground up. Mazda would own patents for certain design aspects of the engine. No one owns the rights to any type of engine. If I had the cash I could build a shop in my backyard and build one from scratch too. It just can't be the same as any other engine out there if I decide to put it into production.

Anyway, the rendering shown looks a lot like the new fascia's of the Mazda6 and 3, so it probably isn't much furthur from production than a few tweaks. The new 8/9/7 looks like they were going for a "Nagared" RX-8. Yes it does look like a very happy car from the front, but a new bumper from Vertex or Origin would fix that.

And sorry Rowtareh, but who the hell bitches about the colour red? It's been the colour of sports cars since Henry Ford stopped using black because it dried the fastest. It's beautiful, clean and eye-catching.

daviddeep

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Actually, in the 60s when Mazda built the first 110S Cosmo, they were licensing the right to build rotary engines from NSU who owned the patent. At one time GM and Mercedes also obtained licenses to build rotaries and attempted some test cars such as the rotary powered Corvette and the Mercedes C-111. NSU has long since been absorbed into VW/Audi, and I have no idea who eventually owned the original patents, but so many years have elapsed that they have surely expired. It is certainly true that in the intervening years, Mazda must have developed numerous new rotary-related patents of their own.

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im still in shock that someone actually said that mazda sold the rotary.....i hope you were trolling (which is a whole other type of gay...) cuz that post was total fail...

got_boost

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instead of a new "RX7", they should do a street version of the Furai.
its a sick looking car. and a pretty amazing engine.

got_boost

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i work for Mazda and NO they havent sold the rights to the engine that make them different from all other brands.
and they invested too much in this engine. especially with the Hydrogen-powered renesis engine.

fixit

that piece of doo doo looks like an rx8 more than 7. the dumb humps going over the front wheels look stupid. it needs the 2 sets of headlights like the efini type R. then maybe it will look ok. but gor sure it needs to compete against the new gtr, and supra if they make it. they should just make the next 7 a triple rotor from the 16x engine and call it an 24x

datfast1

I kinda like it. Big question is when is Mazda getting this RX7 out. Mazda needs to have a super rotary car out now.

hkp

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holy blast from the past

RotaryRevn

That car looks like crap. Mazda needs to hire the guy that designed the 3rd gen to design the next 7. No more RX8 styling! They should have learned their lesson with the flop of the Rx8.

br4nd0n

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flop?????? i see like ten 8s every day

RotaryRevn

+1

rowtareh?

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AHAHAHAHA. Just because you don't like a car's styling, does'nt mean it did not produce alot of sales for Mazda. And that's what counts. You are such a tool.



And holy thread bump batman. Also, there will never an RX-7 recreation, get over it.

sgt fury

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rumors about the new rx7 seem to be coming true. mazda never intended for the rx8 to be a replacement and word has been coming out for years that they have wanted to bring back the seven.now that it's pretty much official that mazda is doing away with the rx8 that leaves room for the 7 in their lineup.as far as competeing with the gtr and supra.the gtr is $75,000 and the rumored supra is looking like $100,000+ so i think mazda has plenty of room available to compete given they"re looking at a price of @ $30,000.road and track has an article this month about the new rx7 in it's future cars section.the 7 is mazda's premier sports car and now with all the cars that are coming out under $30,000 it's a good time for a true enthusiasts sports car.i also hear they are looking at a turbochargeed 16x so it will still have enough power to give the big boys a run for their money!

Rotary13B1

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From R&T.



http://www.roadandtrack.com/future-c...012-mazda-rx-7

There was a time, not so long ago, when the name Mazda was synonymous with the rotary engine. However, these days, what with lackluster sales of the RX-8 and the success of the Mazda3, not to mention the continued popularity of the MX-5 Miata, the Japanese company from Hiroshima is better known for its efficient piston powerplants than its Wankel.

Despite reports that the RX-8 will be the last car to have a rotary engine, we at R&T have received information directly from Japanese Mazda execs that the death of the rotary has been greatly exaggerated, and that the company is planning to introduce a new rotary-powered car in the near future. Apparently, there’s a team of engineers currently working on a drastically improved version of the Renesis 2-rotor dubbed the 16X (displayed at the 2007 Tokyo Motor Show). Mazda U.S. had no comment on the subject.

Now that we’ve determined that the rotary will be back, the question is, what will it power? We asked our source, who wanted to remain anonymous, and he replied: “That hasn’t exactly been decided yet, but we’re seriously thinking of building a new RX-7, one that brings back the spirit of the original. Therefore, if we do indeed bring the RX-7 back, it will most likely be lightweight and more affordable than the last model, the FD.” The future car’s styling will borrow heavily from the Furai concept and the Kabura show car, while the chassis will be based on that of the current MX-5.


There will be ANOTHER Rotary!