this is a month old..but it looks like there will be a lot of used Renesis motors available soon...lol


http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/08/...rly-all-rx-8s/

 

sucks 4 mazda

 

Sucks for all of us

 

Its not as bad as the artical makes it seem, they are basicaly going to do a compression and vacume test.. if its with in spec.. they will reflash the ECU to allow the OMP to open a bit more. If the car has low compression they they will swap in a new motor. Seems like the OMP wasn't injecting enough oil into the motor causing exisive ware on the motor, resulting in low compression/hot start problems.

And it seems the main cars affected are the low power autotranny ones.

Atleast this is my understanding.

 

damn, thats no good.

 

That's gotta be warranty, so no real worries

 

This probably means Ford will now force Mazda to abandon all rotary projects

 

The other bad news is that Mazda will continue to include RX-8 owners in their satisfaction surveys but will NOT report them for each year. This means that dealers will no longer be negatively impacted for shotty service on RX-8s.

One more reason to abandon the rotary, as they're getting bad press. At least Mazda's taking care of the mechanicals, though.

 

That really sucks. My friend just bought a used rx8 and he is already having problems with it. He bought the car from a dealer with all the goodies to go with it. Picked it up for about 36 g's yeah 36 big one's. He already had to take it back for a water pump leak, and a loud whinning noise in the tranny, and the worse part is that he just heard about the oil injection problem and doesn' know what the hell he wants to do. Feel sorry for the guy, he sold his black turbo II car that was faster and more reliable then his rx-8 plus his turbo was a damn turbo. I never understood that concept to go from turbo to all motor makes no damn sense at all. But all in all I wish much luck to all with rx-8's that really sucks ***!!

 

well dont worry about ford replacing the rotary engine, now the ford is being run by the guy from boeing that means they will improve on the rotary, since alot of people use rotary engines on airplanes. and maybe we will get a more powerful and nonleaking rotary

 

Mazda has to be serious about anything relates to rotary reliability. Otherwise there is no future for rotaries.

 

I came really close to buying an RX-8, but some things about the car just did not sit right with me. I guess I was expecting something more like my RX-7. Perhaps I was expecting a Rotary powered Miata type of Coupe or something. Anyway I didn't get it and I got my 2003 SVT CObra instead and I have been happy with my decision ever since. I still have my RX-7 and love both the Cobra and RX-7 for different reasons. But the RX-8 just didn't do it for me, I'm sorry to say.

 

Shouldn't be too bad dollar wise... They can allways right it off, plus with only 3 major moving parts the rotary is relatively cheap to produce...

 

why can't they put the rx8 motor in the chasis of a 1991 miata. I think that the car would be better than cool. Or how about a 3rd gen with the rx8 motor, that sounds like my dream daily driver.

 

Please say you're kidding....

 

I dont know man that just doesnt seem right. Ever since my wife got her 8 brand new in 04 we would have to fill it with about 2qts of oil before each oil change was due. The car doesnt leak a drop and doesnt burn an ounce (that we know of). So how would opening the OMP a little sooner allow for better lubrication solve the problem. It seems to me that that would use even more oil that it does now.

 

the real problem behind the engines failing is the soccer moms, grandmas, and other females who dont know a thing about rotary and only got the car cause its "cute". i ahve a friend who is a mazda tech and the only rx-8's he had to replace engines on are the female owners... he even says so himself that for driving in the city the motor should be at 3k rpm (in third, cruising) so the apex seals get plenty of lube.

everyone who dont know rotaries are being ridiculous. of course youre not going to trust something you heard horror stories about.... yet you still talk on cell phones(brain tumor), drive SUV's(roll-overs), smoke(cancer, heart attack, emphyzema, asthma, etc....), **********(hairy hands, blindness). so whats the point in saying "i dont like rotaries cause i heard they like to blow and are not good on gas an consume oil".... what sports car/coupe doesnt consume oil or gets good gas mileage?
of course if you dont maintian your engine even if it is new the motor wil eventually crap out no matter if its premature or not. ppl who dont like rotaries are ppl who got owned by them and who are afraid of something they dont understand...

but it also possbile they dont like rotaries cause they dont get how a motor with 3 moving parts can make so much power when the motors they use have about 40 or more moving parts on a 4cylinder.

 

well now, that's just silly. what car company wants to make a finicky car that needs to have possible engine failure because a "woman drives it"? that's either a completely joke or utter sillyness. you shouldn't have to drive your car a certain way to keep the engine from being damaged. if mazda screwed up, they should own up to it and it sounds like they are. nonetheless, it's still sad that mazda and their rotary cars are suffering again.
hopefully all gets worked out and further R&D resides far into the future.
of course, your post goes on to mention things completely off subject. but, in short, i don't think a car like the RX-8 (4 doors, plenty of room for 4 adults, cute and comfortable) should have to be driven in any special manner. it's mass-produced for the average car driver, not for rotary elitists who don't mind if something goes wrong with the motor if their rpms slip under 3k rpm (Kaneda's bike in AKIRA stalled if you dropped below 5k rpm; what are those people whining about?! - ).

 

As nice as that sounds, we all know it's not true... Rotary engines must be driven a certain way, due to simple design flaws... It even informs you of this in the owner's manual... Unfortunately, the downfall of the rotary will always be the hand that feeds (or starves) it...

 

Agreed 100%

 

what's it say?
there's a "wrong" way to drive any manual. but an automatic? i don't really know -- aside from ******* the **** out of it or over-revving when cold. but if a car should stay in a certain rpm range, an auto tranny should be electronically controlled to do so. i'm failing to see what the problem is. or, should i say, i'm failing to see what the driver is doing "improperly."

 

Yea ok you got me there... I've personally never liked automatics for that reason... In fact I think people should be made to take the driver's test in a beater *** manual car, so there would be no reason to produce automatics...

:smiley_12

 

i think it would be great if mazda made rotary crate engines. i can't imagine what all other possibilities there are besides 1.3L engines; i can only assume this number was just a happy all-around great number for the cars they're made for. i'd like to add "of course, i like how simple it is to revolve all our lives around one engine," but as we all know, 13B-REWs don't drop into their predecessors by any easy means. same goes for the 20B into anything but a Cosmo. and to top this all off, no, i do not think this is a good idea for Mazda (the crate engine idea). i just think it would be "ideal" to pick up pre-ported (or stock port) engines with whatever other goodies inside (certain compression ratio rotors for race turbos to high hp n/a applications, hardened stationary gears, 2-piece eccentric shafts, ETC!).

oh yea, anyways, what does the rx-8 manual say about "driving in a certain way" ??

ps. you'll find more manuals in europe (and likely other places) i believe due to their better fuel economy.

 

Well I wasn't referring to the RX-8 manual specifically, as I'm certainly way too poor to own one lol... Generally though, Mazda has always provided information about the special care rotaries require, including driving tips, in the manuals... I know I've read one of my manuals before that explained it...

 

Hmmmmm, OMP starving the engine for oil. And to think, a few people laughed at me (including an RX8 owner), cause I add 2 stroke oil in the gas tank of my 1st gen, even though the stock OMP is still hooked up..........
Sounds like I would have had the right idea to keep an '8 alive.