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06-06-08, 03:54 PM
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hay everone i just got thur talking to one of my friends he was tell me that pepole r running there cars on hydrogen cell and gsa and thay are getting hell of gas milge average 40 to 70 miles per gallon you tell me do u now someone thats running hydrogen cell on there car and dose it works 
06-26-08, 11:57 PM
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I havent seen it with my own eyes but its plasterd all over youTube. They also have hydrogen booster kits. I was curios myself to if anybody has hooked these boosters up to a rotory engine yet.
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A customer with a Corrado is doing this, he's done and just tidying up before he shows anyone, but he says he's getting about 25% better milage. Told me to go on youtube to see it.
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06-29-08, 10:39 PM
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No in Ca. they have hydrogen pumps not water that pump hydrogen into their fuel cell . I think it only holds 3 gallons of hydrogen. So you are suppose to get 210 miles a tank . If its $ 2.30 a gallon thats $6.90 a tank full. You can only lease them wich is a plus but only in Ca. because the Govorner is aperantly the only smart one around here and he gets stuff done and takes names later
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put pics up i want to see it everone i talk to is saying it works but thay dont want to put it on there car thay its a friend of a friend thats has it on there car i want to talk to some one thats on there own car not a friend of a friend
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If he paid more than scrap value, he got ripped off. Look up the physics behind the concept and it will unravel itself.
Do you REALLY think that if it worked like these "inventors" claim it does, that car manufacturers would not have already implemented it and made a fortune? Why have the claimed results not been able to be reproduced under laboratory conditions? The tired old "Big Oil" conspiracy theory is counter-intuitive...
Also, a gallon of water could only ever possibly produce 2/3 gallon of Hydrogen by mass. I'm pretty sure Hydrogen is only sold in gaseous form under high pressure, as you have to chill it to something like 4 degrees Kelvin to liquefy it.
Do you REALLY think that if it worked like these "inventors" claim it does, that car manufacturers would not have already implemented it and made a fortune? Why have the claimed results not been able to be reproduced under laboratory conditions? The tired old "Big Oil" conspiracy theory is counter-intuitive...
Also, a gallon of water could only ever possibly produce 2/3 gallon of Hydrogen by mass. I'm pretty sure Hydrogen is only sold in gaseous form under high pressure, as you have to chill it to something like 4 degrees Kelvin to liquefy it.
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Hydrogen burns too hot to run in a regular engine. Honda is using the hydrogen to feed a batery. The car has an electric engine. Look for it in the Honda Website. the hyudrogen has to be bought just like gasoline.
The other set-up people are runing and calling Hydrogen is water vapor, which helps with the atomization of the gasoline and helps it burn better. Sort of like the water injection.
Do some research and you will find lots of the so called hydrogen systems.
The other set-up people are runing and calling Hydrogen is water vapor, which helps with the atomization of the gasoline and helps it burn better. Sort of like the water injection.
Do some research and you will find lots of the so called hydrogen systems.
06-30-08, 09:21 PM
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Hydrogen burns too hot to run in a regular engine. Honda is using the hydrogen to feed a batery. The car has an electric engine. Look for it in the Honda Website. the hyudrogen has to be bought just like gasoline.
The other set-up people are runing and calling Hydrogen is water vapor, which helps with the atomization of the gasoline and helps it burn better. Sort of like the water injection.
Do some research and you will find lots of the so called hydrogen systems.
The other set-up people are runing and calling Hydrogen is water vapor, which helps with the atomization of the gasoline and helps it burn better. Sort of like the water injection.
Do some research and you will find lots of the so called hydrogen systems.
http://media.ford.com/mazda/article_...34&make_id=227
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A local shop is doing something like this, it's a little tank (depends on engine size and whatnot) filled with water, and has some funky electrodes or something in the tank of water with a couple wires and a vacuunm hose running out of it. So far it's working and they are seeing anywhere from 20% to 75% in fuel mileage. it's not availiable to the public at the moment as it's still being tested, but last month when i talked to them they had installed it on over 40 vehicles for testing purposes.
So are you telling me you are still running stock tires, stock exhaust, stock suspension, stock intake, stock intercooler, stock fuel pump, etc on all the vehicles you own, you know, seeing how if it was to make them any money that manufacturers of automobiles would have already put the best on our vehicles that is availiable? 
damn, I guess these 4 ply tires on my new 4x4 chevy pickup should be just fine for going off road and towing, seeing how I already have the best, not to mention the thousands of dollars in upgrades I've added to my 7.
Do you REALLY think that if it worked like these "inventors" claim it does, that car manufacturers would not have already implemented it and made a fortune?
So are you telling me you are still running stock tires, stock exhaust, stock suspension, stock intake, stock intercooler, stock fuel pump, etc on all the vehicles you own, you know, seeing how if it was to make them any money that manufacturers of automobiles would have already put the best on our vehicles that is availiable? damn, I guess these 4 ply tires on my new 4x4 chevy pickup should be just fine for going off road and towing, seeing how I already have the best, not to mention the thousands of dollars in upgrades I've added to my 7.
06-30-08, 10:31 PM
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Hydrogen does not burn too hot for use in ICEs. The problem with Hydrogen in ICEs is that it ignites very easily, the intake valves get hot enough to ignite the fuel on the way into the motor. That being said, I would think it might be possible to burn Hydrogen in a piston motor by using direct injection. The rotary of course has no intake valves and the intake area does not see direct combustion, so it stays cool enough for Hydrogen to pass through without spontaneous ignition.
Sure... just like thousands of other scam artists out there.
The manufacturer engineers the components on vehicles to work for the application while maximizing profit. Why would they put an A1000 fuel pump in a TII if a smaller pump would work for a far cheaper price? Why run a huge turbo if they are designing the car to produce 200bhp? The manufacturer must be able to make a profit on the vehicle, if they were to put the best of everything on it, it might be far too expensive for their target consumer. Your argument makes no sense to me; When you put all of these upgrades on your car, you are changing the application the car was designed for.
On the flip side, this "hydrogen producing cell" can be made VERY cheaply but promises huge gains. If they actually did what these people are claiming, every single vehicle from the factory would come equipped with one.
A local shop is doing something like this, it's a little tank (depends on engine size and whatnot) filled with water, and has some funky electrodes or something in the tank of water with a couple wires and a vacuunm hose running out of it. So far it's working and they are seeing anywhere from 20% to 75% in fuel mileage. it's not availiable to the public at the moment as it's still being tested, but last month when i talked to them they had installed it on over 40 vehicles for testing purposes.
So are you telling me you are still running stock tires, stock exhaust, stock suspension, stock intake, stock intercooler, stock fuel pump, etc on all the vehicles you own, you know, seeing how if it was to make them any money that manufacturers of automobiles would have already put the best on our vehicles that is availiable?
damn, I guess these 4 ply tires on my new 4x4 chevy pickup should be just fine for going off road and towing, seeing how I already have the best, not to mention the thousands of dollars in upgrades I've added to my 7.
So are you telling me you are still running stock tires, stock exhaust, stock suspension, stock intake, stock intercooler, stock fuel pump, etc on all the vehicles you own, you know, seeing how if it was to make them any money that manufacturers of automobiles would have already put the best on our vehicles that is availiable? damn, I guess these 4 ply tires on my new 4x4 chevy pickup should be just fine for going off road and towing, seeing how I already have the best, not to mention the thousands of dollars in upgrades I've added to my 7.
Sure... just like thousands of other scam artists out there.
The manufacturer engineers the components on vehicles to work for the application while maximizing profit. Why would they put an A1000 fuel pump in a TII if a smaller pump would work for a far cheaper price? Why run a huge turbo if they are designing the car to produce 200bhp? The manufacturer must be able to make a profit on the vehicle, if they were to put the best of everything on it, it might be far too expensive for their target consumer. Your argument makes no sense to me; When you put all of these upgrades on your car, you are changing the application the car was designed for.
On the flip side, this "hydrogen producing cell" can be made VERY cheaply but promises huge gains. If they actually did what these people are claiming, every single vehicle from the factory would come equipped with one.
07-01-08, 10:41 AM
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no one bothered to click on the links I posted. Lazy bastards!
Mazda 5 / Premacy Hydrogen RE Hybrid Minivan
Well, in the U. S. it's called the Mazda 5, and in Japan it's named the Mazda Premacy Hydrogen RE Hybrid. But, whatever you call it, the new Mazda hydrogen minivan is a concept vehicle like no other. Based on the RX-8 Hydrogen RE car, the Mazda 5 Premacy is a bi-fuel rotary mild-hybrid that may just be the first mass-marketed hydrogen car to hit the showrooms as early as 2008.
Mazda 5 / Premacy Hydrogen RE Hybrid Minivan
The Mazda 5 Premacy Hydrogen Hybrid runs on both gasoline and compressed hydrogen gas. Just pressing a button on the dashboard turns this minivan into a green vehicle and back again when more distance is needed. By introducing a bi-fuel hydrogen / gasoline ICE (internal combustion engine) Mazda is solving one of the key infrastructure issues revolving around just where does one buy hydrogen when so fuel stations are rolled out yet. This is one way to give manufacturers and distributors of hydrogen the incentive to roll out the hydrogen distribution network on a massive scale.
The hybrid unit and rotary engine are transversely mounted at the front of the car in a front-wheel drive layout with the high-voltage battery beneath the second row of seats (along with the gasoline tanki) and the hydrogen tank beside the last row of seats. This arrangement allows for a comfortable and roomy interior along with excellent driving performance and environmental benefits. Earlier versions of the bi-fuel mild hybrid system included regenerative braking, engine power assistance at low rpm's and stop-start capabilities, which have been carried over to the current Premacy as well.
Currently, the driving range of the Mazda 5 Premacy Concept on hydrogen is limited to around 124 miles before needing refueling. One advantage of using a rotary engine engineered to run on hydrogen is that it doesn't have the backfiring problems that typical internal combustion engines experience. Because the Mazda 5 Premacy's Renesis rotary engine has separate intake and combustion chambers, this makes it more ideal for burning hydrogen at lower temperatures.
While the Mazda 5 Premacy Hydrogen minivan (or some variation thereof) may be the first to hit the showrooms in 2008, Mazda has already rolled out its RX-8 Hydrogen Renesis car to a couple of different Hiroshima authorities. The City of Hiroshima and Hiroshima Prefecture both in Western Japan have each received a dual-fueled RX-8 Hydrogen RE lease vehicle. Mazda has chosen the Renesis bi-fuel rotary engine as its vehicle of choice to drive it into the hydrogen future and with only one other competitor (BMW) racing for the 2008 showroom date, this is a race in which we all will win. Greener cars mean bluer skies.
Mazda 5 / Premacy Hydrogen RE Hybrid Minivan
Well, in the U. S. it's called the Mazda 5, and in Japan it's named the Mazda Premacy Hydrogen RE Hybrid. But, whatever you call it, the new Mazda hydrogen minivan is a concept vehicle like no other. Based on the RX-8 Hydrogen RE car, the Mazda 5 Premacy is a bi-fuel rotary mild-hybrid that may just be the first mass-marketed hydrogen car to hit the showrooms as early as 2008.
Mazda 5 / Premacy Hydrogen RE Hybrid Minivan
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The Mazda 5 Premacy Hydrogen Hybrid runs on both gasoline and compressed hydrogen gas. Just pressing a button on the dashboard turns this minivan into a green vehicle and back again when more distance is needed. By introducing a bi-fuel hydrogen / gasoline ICE (internal combustion engine) Mazda is solving one of the key infrastructure issues revolving around just where does one buy hydrogen when so fuel stations are rolled out yet. This is one way to give manufacturers and distributors of hydrogen the incentive to roll out the hydrogen distribution network on a massive scale.
The hybrid unit and rotary engine are transversely mounted at the front of the car in a front-wheel drive layout with the high-voltage battery beneath the second row of seats (along with the gasoline tanki) and the hydrogen tank beside the last row of seats. This arrangement allows for a comfortable and roomy interior along with excellent driving performance and environmental benefits. Earlier versions of the bi-fuel mild hybrid system included regenerative braking, engine power assistance at low rpm's and stop-start capabilities, which have been carried over to the current Premacy as well.
Currently, the driving range of the Mazda 5 Premacy Concept on hydrogen is limited to around 124 miles before needing refueling. One advantage of using a rotary engine engineered to run on hydrogen is that it doesn't have the backfiring problems that typical internal combustion engines experience. Because the Mazda 5 Premacy's Renesis rotary engine has separate intake and combustion chambers, this makes it more ideal for burning hydrogen at lower temperatures.
While the Mazda 5 Premacy Hydrogen minivan (or some variation thereof) may be the first to hit the showrooms in 2008, Mazda has already rolled out its RX-8 Hydrogen Renesis car to a couple of different Hiroshima authorities. The City of Hiroshima and Hiroshima Prefecture both in Western Japan have each received a dual-fueled RX-8 Hydrogen RE lease vehicle. Mazda has chosen the Renesis bi-fuel rotary engine as its vehicle of choice to drive it into the hydrogen future and with only one other competitor (BMW) racing for the 2008 showroom date, this is a race in which we all will win. Greener cars mean bluer skies.