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02-17-09, 06:58 PM
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+1, seriously. The real question I guess on everyones mind is what's your
"ultimate plan" with the car? Track? DD? Weekend fun car? I mean everyone
here can talk themselves blue in face and none (or few) really know wtf your
intentions for the car is.
I still firmly vote that you upgrade your suspension 1st brakes second.
02-17-09, 07:59 PM
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Ok, I take it back, the 220 rwhp (what ever) really was racing your 130 hp NA 12a. You won ... seriously, you did.
02-17-09, 08:24 PM
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this is the last post i will make on this thread
tweak, i hope it helps you sleep at night knowing that you can talk **** on a forum.
im done with your e-condescending attitude, get a ******* life!
tweak, i hope it helps you sleep at night knowing that you can talk **** on a forum.
im done with your e-condescending attitude, get a ******* life!
02-17-09, 08:25 PM
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Wow, need to change your pad? Need a tissue? Can't take any constructive criticism eh? Maybe a little insecurity problem there bud? Saying that you lost a race with your 12a must have hit a sore spot. Teh 7 can't lose!
Anyways. We all know you're going to go (back to) turbo. Just do it drama queen.
02-17-09, 08:30 PM
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for real. ive been looking at some bikes lately. the new ktm duke 690 is sickkk. ive noticed all the fbs on craigslist are hella expensive lately. what used to be a g is two or three these days.
im gonna be in kirkland later, we should get into some trouble tonite!
*thread jackkkkk*
im gonna be in kirkland later, we should get into some trouble tonite!
*thread jackkkkk*
02-17-09, 08:46 PM
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What cause I'm Puerto Rican I've gotta be the brown cat? I see how it is Adolf!!!
The difference is that turbo cars are limited by the turbo. They're great felling that spool and kick in the ***, but it sucks when you start rev it up and it falls off on the top end. then if you want a turbo that isn't going to fall off on the top end you've got to deal with lag. My current car hits hard at 5500 rpm and pulls all the way to 8500 with no issues, plus it drives great and has enough mid range torque to get me around fine. But damn It's just so east to make 300whp when you're turbo.
My last turbo FB got to breath through these.
There is no FIX for the FB's suspension problems. Jim Susco has worked out some amazing work arounds but they were desigend in the 80's and any "real" fix outs you into a mod class in any series. Basically this car's goal is to be fast with class. I want to keep it fullinterior and beat every 09 M3 stat. inbreaking, lateral G, quarter mile, and i want to do it on street tires.
The difference is that turbo cars are limited by the turbo. They're great felling that spool and kick in the ***, but it sucks when you start rev it up and it falls off on the top end. then if you want a turbo that isn't going to fall off on the top end you've got to deal with lag. My current car hits hard at 5500 rpm and pulls all the way to 8500 with no issues, plus it drives great and has enough mid range torque to get me around fine. But damn It's just so east to make 300whp when you're turbo.
My last turbo FB got to breath through these.
There is no FIX for the FB's suspension problems. Jim Susco has worked out some amazing work arounds but they were desigend in the 80's and any "real" fix outs you into a mod class in any series. Basically this car's goal is to be fast with class. I want to keep it fullinterior and beat every 09 M3 stat. inbreaking, lateral G, quarter mile, and i want to do it on street tires.
02-17-09, 09:13 PM
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What cause I'm Puerto Rican I've gotta be the brown cat? I see how it is Adolf!!!
The difference is that turbo cars are limited by the turbo. They're great felling that spool and kick in the ***, but it sucks when you start rev it up and it falls off on the top end. then if you want a turbo that isn't going to fall off on the top end you've got to deal with lag. My current car hits hard at 5500 rpm and pulls all the way to 8500 with no issues, plus it drives great and has enough mid range torque to get me around fine. But damn It's just so east to make 300whp when you're turbo.
The difference is that turbo cars are limited by the turbo. They're great felling that spool and kick in the ***, but it sucks when you start rev it up and it falls off on the top end. then if you want a turbo that isn't going to fall off on the top end you've got to deal with lag. My current car hits hard at 5500 rpm and pulls all the way to 8500 with no issues, plus it drives great and has enough mid range torque to get me around fine. But damn It's just so east to make 300whp when you're turbo.
Third, even IF you had a turbo that fell off on the top end, you are still making TONS more power than if you were NA. Here is one of my retarded dynos (11 psi) (that you were at Hyper.) My turbo is .84 A/R so it SHOULD be falling hard after 6,500 rpm (Or so I have been told many time.) My tach was off 500 rpm from the dyno so I thought I was reving to 7,500 but I really wasn't. lol. (The point is, why do you need to wrap it out to 8,500 rpm if you can make the same HP sooner and in a much safer RPM?)
Where again does your NA make more power? Oh you have to have a p-port/bridge and rev it out the moon? That sounds reliable, cheap, and great for driving around town with your 2k rpm idle.
It's an obvious decision I still don't understand what you could possible be hung up on. Sorry if my e-attitude and opinions has caused any other small children to cry uncontrollably.
P.S. You're Puerto Rican? I really did not notice that or get that vibe... maybe because it was dark out...? Then again, I wouldn't know if someone was Puerto Rican if they walked around with a shirt and 8 ft. sign that said they were Puerto Rican.
02-17-09, 09:25 PM
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I've got the money knowlege and know how, but both have their advantages, and disadvantages.
I guess the main reason I want to stay NA is becasue all of the modern card are making reat numbers NA and I want to prove th little old 13b can too since noone else is doing it on the west coast. Nothing is better than beating that 300whp turbo honda with my NA FB. 200whp and slicks on an FB will yeild 12 second passes. I bet I make more power at 8500 rpm than you doo. My engine is kinda built. It's balanced for 9500, it's just not tuned for it.
Myths that have all been disproven within the last few years. Tunning has changed the whole game man. For a rotard you sure are parroting some old myths my friend. I don't know why I'm fighting it... I guess it's just habit. I know what i can do with a turbo I've done it quite well in the past. I guess I just want the NA bragging rights. It's so funn smoking someone and they expect NO2 or boost and I pop the hood and my engine bay is so empty. It's great! lol... I need to go for a drive with Aaron. After he crushes me then I guess I'll get that drive for boost again. I had it a few months ago, but again the issue is classing the car once it's turbo it's just not competitive in anything.
I guess the main reason I want to stay NA is becasue all of the modern card are making reat numbers NA and I want to prove th little old 13b can too since noone else is doing it on the west coast. Nothing is better than beating that 300whp turbo honda with my NA FB. 200whp and slicks on an FB will yeild 12 second passes. I bet I make more power at 8500 rpm than you doo. My engine is kinda built. It's balanced for 9500, it's just not tuned for it.
Oh you have to have a p-port/bridge and rev it out the moon? That sounds reliable, cheap, and great for driving around town with your 2k rpm idle.
02-17-09, 09:35 PM
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Ok, so your you're out to prove a point. As far as I know there is no award for doing things the hard way, you will have to keep yourself motivated I guess. Beating a new car with 20+ years of technology advantage, 2/3 the displacement, naturally aspirated, with no pistons would be cool. But because you are limiting yourself on purpose, you alone are the only one that will be able to say if it is going to be cool/worth the long hard trip or not. Are you the one that brings a knife to a gun fight just so you can say you kicked someones *** that had a gun? At what point do you draw the line? How come you get to use slicks? Are you going to do a full standalone or do you have to use the stock ecu in your mind? Why don't you just ride your bike faster than the new car just to prove a point? blah blah blah. At what point does it get silly? You are only playing a battle in your head to prove to yourself (or maybe a few of your friends) that you can do it. We can't answer if it will be worth it or not in that situation.
02-17-09, 09:38 PM
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I run carbs. Carbs will allways make more peak hp than any EFI car can. It's physics, I'm not going to argue why in this thread, so if you want to know search. I argue about it twice a week. If I do go turbo again I might run standalone though just for the simplicity of it and the driveability that EFI offers over carbs.
02-18-09, 10:23 AM
#42
This thread is ******* hilarious. 
Wait, what? You're gonna have to explain that one. I mean do a TT setup with a small and large turbo, sure
you're gonna have lag but we've all seen the shorter benefit of non-sequential turbo setups with a trailing and
a leading turbo to make up for each others shortcomings. If you pay attention though people always drop these
in favor of a large turbo instead. There's a reason, they aren't tracking there cars, for a turbo'd track setup I
think a non-sequential would be a bitching setup.
Seriously though, why would you need anything extra up top, if your tracking this car the only time you'll high rev
is down straights, quick through the corners mang, its what wins. I'd much MUCH rather make a ton of low-mid hp
and tq than try high reving all the time to get into my power band. Seriously you think Exiges make tons of power?
Course not, they're fast rev engines that I've never seen past 300bhp. What they have that makes them killer
track cars is suspension, breaks, and solid low-mid. Which is exactly what I've been saying through the last (3 now)
posts. Hell if you have money to burn, strip that S4 and put a supercharger on it for a nice (constant) stream of
compressed air.
If you're tracking your car you are seriously doing it in a way that I don't get. There are quite a few things you can
do suspension wise (even redistributing weight) that will benefit greatly and still keep you out of modified. You just
have to be a crafty little **** and sit down and think about ways to reorder things.
+1 for the truth.
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The difference is that turbo cars are limited by the turbo. They're great felling that spool and kick in the ***, but it sucks when you start rev it up and it falls off on the top end. then if you want a turbo that isn't going to fall off on the top end you've got to deal with lag.
The difference is that turbo cars are limited by the turbo. They're great felling that spool and kick in the ***, but it sucks when you start rev it up and it falls off on the top end. then if you want a turbo that isn't going to fall off on the top end you've got to deal with lag.
you're gonna have lag but we've all seen the shorter benefit of non-sequential turbo setups with a trailing and
a leading turbo to make up for each others shortcomings. If you pay attention though people always drop these
in favor of a large turbo instead. There's a reason, they aren't tracking there cars, for a turbo'd track setup I
think a non-sequential would be a bitching setup.
Seriously though, why would you need anything extra up top, if your tracking this car the only time you'll high rev
is down straights, quick through the corners mang, its what wins. I'd much MUCH rather make a ton of low-mid hp
and tq than try high reving all the time to get into my power band. Seriously you think Exiges make tons of power?
Course not, they're fast rev engines that I've never seen past 300bhp. What they have that makes them killer
track cars is suspension, breaks, and solid low-mid. Which is exactly what I've been saying through the last (3 now)
posts. Hell if you have money to burn, strip that S4 and put a supercharger on it for a nice (constant) stream of
compressed air.
If you're tracking your car you are seriously doing it in a way that I don't get. There are quite a few things you can
do suspension wise (even redistributing weight) that will benefit greatly and still keep you out of modified. You just
have to be a crafty little **** and sit down and think about ways to reorder things.
+1 for the truth.
02-18-09, 03:13 PM
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02-18-09, 03:14 PM
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I guess its all a matter of opinion, weighing the pro's and con's.
Want forced induction? Don't want lag? Supercharger! Like anything
it's all in how you are going to set it up. I see kids all day long buying
random parts with no "end goal" or "general plan". No one seems to
be willing to weigh out decisions and splurge on crap that makes it
"look cool, sound cool, add bling" whatever. Its a waste of money on
useless crap imho. I mean honestly you don't need to be a effin NASA
engineer to add and subtract numbers. Or maybe you do? lol
As for the supercharged 7's you've ridden in (or whatever kind of car
they were), was there any consideration as to how it was set up, or
was it, i got this ***ckson supercharger for dirt cheap, I'm gonna throw
it on.
I'm still a firm believer in build a car from the ground up, with careful
consideration as to what parts I'll be using, and how they'll effect all
the other parts, or future parts.
Want forced induction? Don't want lag? Supercharger! Like anything
it's all in how you are going to set it up. I see kids all day long buying
random parts with no "end goal" or "general plan". No one seems to
be willing to weigh out decisions and splurge on crap that makes it
"look cool, sound cool, add bling" whatever. Its a waste of money on
useless crap imho. I mean honestly you don't need to be a effin NASA
engineer to add and subtract numbers. Or maybe you do? lol
As for the supercharged 7's you've ridden in (or whatever kind of car
they were), was there any consideration as to how it was set up, or
was it, i got this ***ckson supercharger for dirt cheap, I'm gonna throw
it on.
I'm still a firm believer in build a car from the ground up, with careful
consideration as to what parts I'll be using, and how they'll effect all
the other parts, or future parts.
02-18-09, 03:19 PM
#46
AND!!!!
And Hyper, Tweak (yeah i saw ur post before u edit'd u sly bastard ^_^)
Of course a supercharger is just a "bigger" NA, its a dividing bridge between
Standard and Forced induction. It's the "Turbo for the guy who doesn't wanna
turbo his car". You get higher hp, quicker throttle response, and etc with a
and lemme bold this Limited amount of induction. You're trading pros
and cons on two forced induction platforms here.
Not to be a dick. but.....
Honestly, this ring of typical "purist beliefs" bullshit I always see smeared all
over this board. Rotary > Piston / Turbo > Charged / Forced Induction > Non
No platform is better then another, they're all just "different" ways of making
power. I have no idea why people don't see this, I guess people are just bias?
And Hyper, Tweak (yeah i saw ur post before u edit'd u sly bastard ^_^)
Of course a supercharger is just a "bigger" NA, its a dividing bridge between
Standard and Forced induction. It's the "Turbo for the guy who doesn't wanna
turbo his car". You get higher hp, quicker throttle response, and etc with a
and lemme bold this Limited amount of induction. You're trading pros
and cons on two forced induction platforms here.
Honestly, this ring of typical "purist beliefs" bullshit I always see smeared all
over this board. Rotary > Piston / Turbo > Charged / Forced Induction > Non
No platform is better then another, they're all just "different" ways of making
power. I have no idea why people don't see this, I guess people are just bias?
02-18-09, 03:49 PM
#47
It depends on what your goals for the vehicle are.
You use the components neccessary to reach those goals. Whether it is an all out NA build-up, a supercharger, upgraded sequential twin turbos, a single turbo, a gaggle of geese, etc. will depend on which route will get you to where you want to be.
Heck, I was dead set on running BNR stage 3's, until I was shown empirical evidence that my goals could be met with a (very specific) ball bearing single turbo. So now, I am going that route. And yes, someone in this thread is going to want a cookie for that one.
-As far as $700 on a stock exhaust system... I am completely lost on that one.
-As far as the "superchargers are weird on a rotary" opinion... that is just a naive statement.
-As for carbs making more peak power: EFI cars (when tuned properly) will be able to have a better overall powerband with smoother running in a wider temperature/altitude range.
There are so many off the wall topics in this thread that I really don't even want to comment on each of them. So I will stop here, and go back to spectating and laughing.
You use the components neccessary to reach those goals. Whether it is an all out NA build-up, a supercharger, upgraded sequential twin turbos, a single turbo, a gaggle of geese, etc. will depend on which route will get you to where you want to be.
Heck, I was dead set on running BNR stage 3's, until I was shown empirical evidence that my goals could be met with a (very specific) ball bearing single turbo. So now, I am going that route. And yes, someone in this thread is going to want a cookie for that one.
-As far as $700 on a stock exhaust system... I am completely lost on that one.
-As far as the "superchargers are weird on a rotary" opinion... that is just a naive statement.
-As for carbs making more peak power: EFI cars (when tuned properly) will be able to have a better overall powerband with smoother running in a wider temperature/altitude range.
There are so many off the wall topics in this thread that I really don't even want to comment on each of them. So I will stop here, and go back to spectating and laughing.
02-18-09, 04:38 PM
#50
Noone has really read the thread. I posted some goals, I said charged rotaries were unimpressive not weird. I have built enough cars through out the years I know exactly what the **** i'm doing and I have two clear options on where I can go from here. Just wanted some oppinons from people who know me or have seen the cars I have built. This pissing match has gotten rediculas. And mis quoting me is ubsurd. It's not a stock exhaust in any way.
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