Jizneremie33

I was pulled over in Federal Way, WA last night for my exhaust being to loud. I have 2.5 inch piping, magnaflow hi-flo cat, and flowmaster mufflers. Its loud, but under 95db. Here is the old law:

"(3) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the engine of such vehicle above that emitted by the muffler originally installed on the vehicle, and it shall be unlawful for any person to operate a motor vehicle not equipped as required by this subsection, or which has been amplified as prohibited by this subsection so that the vehicle's exhaust noise exceeds ninety-five decibels as measured by the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) test procedure J1169 (May, 1998). It is not a violation of this subsection unless proven by proper authorities that the exhaust system modification results in noise amplification in excess of ninety-five decibels under the prescribed SAE test standard. A court may dismiss an infraction notice for a violation of this subsection if there is reasonable grounds to believe that the vehicle was not operated in violation of this subsection."

the new law does not have the 95db clause in it.

(3) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the engine of such vehicle above that emitted by the muffler originally installed on the vehicle, and it shall be unlawful for any person to operate a motor vehicle not equipped as required by this subsection, or which has been amplified as prohibited by this subsection. A court may dismiss an infraction notice for a violation of this subsection if there is reasonable grounds to believe that the vehicle was not operated in violation of this subsection.

This subsection (3) does not apply to vehicles twenty-five or more years old or to passenger vehicles being operated off the highways in an organized racing or competitive event conducted by a recognized sanctioning body.

Basically i argued with the cop about the 95db law and he said it changed last summer. No one has really been informed of this change. My car was modified under the 95db clause, which would have been my arguement in court. I just thoughr i would let you all know about this BS. Now cops can pull you over for not having stock exhaust. For more info about this go to this link. It has been on the nissan ,forum since lastnight and there has been quite a bit of discussion about it.

http://www.northwestnissans.com/boar...ad.php?t=53536

Sorry i wrote so much but this is important.

Wargasm

I hate washington state.

tiresmoke

thats retarded. they just want more $$.

CYD

its 93db in Oregon...

WadeMCarter

...better than california. especially here in eastern washington, cops are pretty laid back about these things. plus we have no emission testing..for now!

dtn666

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I wonder how the bikers get around this law, the loudest street vehicles I've ever heard have been HD bikes.

afgmoto1978

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Good old boy clause

sidewayz_FC

four more years and the 86 models will be exempt from emissions and db laws

thats a long *** wait though...

point5chink

how much is the ticket for this? Do they somehow make sure you change it to be quieter?

notveryhappyjack

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you got the ticket because you argued with the officer of the law which, not cause your exhaust was loud, no matter how wrong they are they still hold the power to take your money away legally and cause a bs situation. Next time try being polite and then giving some excuse that could casue the stock exhaust to become so loud, exhaust leak, rust whatever and explain you are looking at wrecking yards and online for a replacment one that will pass the laws. Garanteed you would not have recieved a ticket if you went about it my way.

Cops are understanding people and if your not blatently braking laws they will usually give warnings when you approach them with politeness and respect. I have driven past cops for the last year since I went straight pipes/rb muffler and I just push in the clutch when I drive by cops with out any problems.

Jizneremie33

I didn't get a ticket at all. but it would have been a $100+ ticket. I argued with him and he told me to get it fixed by ,next week or i would get a ticket.

Jizneremie33

also if you read the nissan thread link that i posted you will note different ways around this problem

Jizneremie33

also my exhaust is obviously modified. It doesnt look stock and it is louder than probably any stock vehicle

Boswoj

Just wait until you guys grow up a little, and own a house where you might actually want to SLEEP, or watch TV and still be able to HEAR it. Street cars should make so little noise that homeowners cannot hear them when they are inside their homes. This should apply to both the exhausts AND the stereos. What is it that makes kids crave attention so desperately that they need to annoy complete strangers to make their lives complete? If you think I am some kind of cranky old car hater, you would be wrong there too. I have eleven vehicles on the property, four of which are basically track only. I have an Rx-7 race car that can make enough noise to wake the dead - but I am considerate enough of my neighbors to not subject them to that noise. Look, for just a second, beyond your completely selfish need to impress your incredibly shallow peers and consider the people who just want to enjoy the peace and quiet of their homes. If you want them to respect your passion for cars (that they very well might not share) then respect their desire to not have you intrude on their lives with noise pollution. Most of the people who whine the loudest about having what they percieve to be "their rights" taken away, are the same ones who force it to happen by not considering the rights of others.

fluffysheap

I agree, but that is why the old law had a dB limit. Was the limit too high? Probably not, I can hardly ever remember being annoyed by car exhaust, it's always motorcycles or stereos. Now the cops have yet another excuse to pull people over for no real reason.

RDAVEX7

When I first bought my car it had the stock airbox and and some glass packs with 3" cannons for tips. It was loud and even louder when I installed an hks intake, after awhile I grew tied of all the noise and bought a new exaust set up with high flow single cat and real mufflers that are quite and perform better. The intake makes noise of course but nothing like before and now the car flows better.

Hyper4mance2k

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Dude shut the fawk up. You never have anything good to say to anyone. The only time you ever post is to tell someone off or to tell someone they're wrong. Have you ever heard his car? Do you know what type of exhaust he has? 95 db is pretty quiet. If I was a mod I’d have banned you by now... You always pull the holier than thou card and I'm tired of hearing it. You always post about your race cars and I’ve yet to see you anywhere. I'm done reading your rants. Go away... The law is bullshit because it specifically targets the import crowd. Now it's 100% legal for a 69 Camero with a 540 BB to drive around with open headers, but a civic with a fart can gets a ticket. I personally agree with sound pollution laws, but as a law student feel, and future politician feel that laws should be unbiased for any reason and should apply to all people equally.

p.s. this whole statement was rhetorical, and you are not wanted to respond. I'm sure that neither I nor does anyone else want you wasting bandwidth bitching someone else out.

Jizneremie33

^+1 to that. The whole "noise pollution" thing is pretty ridiculous. The only way most exhaust will be heard inside someones house is if they live by a highway where someone is driving WOT.

KompressorLOgic

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thats ok ill keep my loud *** exhuast, the ehxuast tickets are worth it if i can drive by your house at 3 am to **** you off everyday

Boswoj

Good to get the expected typically mature comments. I live in a nice residential area full of well maintained homes and older people. MANY times a day kids drive by in cars with modified exhausts and ridiculously loud stereos that are annoying inside my house. I'm nowhere near a freeway and the speed limit that these noise polluting children are flagrantly ignoring is 25 mph. I agree that noise limits are unfairly enforced but that has almost universally a problem with the testing method. Low pitched sounds are typically able to pass more easily than high pitched so V-8's and Harleys have gotten away with unfair levels of sound for a long time. Just so were clear, I feel the same way about middle aged Harley wannabes as I do about ricer punk wannabe driftoids: If you crave attention so badly that you expect your vehicle to provide you with a personality, you have a pretty pathetic excuse for a life.

My point was simple - everyone bitches about the increasing amount of rules and regulations placed upon those of us who take pleasure in a car that is more than just transportation. The absolute truth is that the more mature and successful members of our society control the lawmaking process. I'm talking about people who drive the economy, buy homes, and pay taxes. THOSE are the people that lawmakers listen to when they propose new laws. In most instances, the stock exhaust system on the "civic with a fart can" actually makes more power in addition to being MUCH quieter. Why do they change? Because they are DESPERATE for attention, a completely selfish reason. Rotaries are one of the few types of car that can see substantial gains though exhaust mods alone, and even then they don't have to get very loud. Why go out of your way to **** off the people who can ruin your car hobby? You are hurting not only yourself, but everyone who likes cars as a hobby. Will you be happy when the noise standard is lowered to the point that we can't run our rotarys at all? Noise pollution is definitely not ridiculous - right now it is a top priority among lawmakers, and several new laws are being proposed to address it. Racetracks that have been around for decades are being threatened by it, all kinds of motorcycles are under close scrutiny, and airplane noise has been under attack for years. There are now cameras attached to decibel meters so you can get a ticket just like the ones from speeding and red-light cameras. If we don't control the noise from our cars, someone else is going to do it for us and I can pretty much guarantee we won't like the outcome.

point5chink

Boswoj, I dont think you will ever win this argument here regardless of if you are right or wrong. What people are complaining about is not your opinion, but the way you express your opinion. We are concerned with the fact that police now have no objective referance point (95db) to judge whether a car is too loud or not. There was no need to belittle any group of people (in your case those unsuccessful immature "kids").

mort2002

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yea right i got pulled over in my civic, in mabton for loud exhasut and a cracked windshield... and my car has 2 mufflers on it...

they are considered a RV..(Recreational Vehicle) so they are exempt from the law.. i hate HD...arrr..

well i guess when we get lucky enough to afford 11 cars we can park out loud cars.. not all of us can afford nice new quiet cars, let alone multiple cars. not every one can have a dedicated track car.. so they have to do what they can to get some performace out of thier car. no go get in your quiet car, or one of you 11 cars and go to the store and get your Depends and STFU.

whitefcdrifter

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they should make a law were people cant drive there motor cycles (hogs) at night becuase those things are insanely loud. i know id rather hear a import with exhuast drive by my house rather then a chopper.

Boswoj

The only people who should get their feelings hurt when I talk about immature, irresponsible, and selfish kids are immature, irresponsible, and selfish kids. I'm guessing that applies to anyone who responds with "stfu" or something similarly infantile. Probably doesn't take a degree in forensic investigation to determine that when somebody cruises by in a ridiculously loud, garishly decorated import that about 98 times out of 100 they are going to fall into a very definite age range. Do you have a lot of retirees in your neighborhood waking everybody up with their heavily modified Volvos ripping up and down the street blasting out subwoofer augmented Lawrence Welk? I didn't think so. I judge people based on their actions and there are a lot of really good young people out there. Just like I get judged driving down the street in my 25 year old Rx-7 based on the actions of a few immature street racer punks, I believe that 90% of the young people out there get judged on the very visible actions of the 10% who act like idiots. Perhaps the saddest aspect of this is that the 90% who are good, considerate, and thoughtful are basically invisible while EVERYBODY notices the bad ones. So, for the readers who are offended by anyone who doesn't agree with your selfish opinions, doesn't tolerate your childish behavior, and expects anyone who is legally an adult to exhibit some level of personal discipline and responsibility, then you are in that 10% that are giving young people a bad name and unworthy of my respect.

mort2002

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see thats where your wrong. i know my 7 is loud.. so you know what, i dont drive it a night. but if its your only mode of transportation, its a lil different. i have see a chevy blazer with some white trash lasdy driving it, with the muffler all blown out, louder than my 7, drive right through town and not be bothered... if they are going to enforce it, they should do it for everybody not just the imports. especially the stupid hogs and harlys and ******* motorcycles that rip up and down the streets. they are the real nois polution.