http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/1859589686.html

 

wat

 

Looks clean, and probably hauls something serious.

 

Putting V8's into drift cars is growing. I'm seeing more and more drift cars with v8's. Hell at Formula D 90% of the cars there were v8's including two v8 powered fc's. I love the rotary as much as the next guy but when my motor goes i'm swapping in an Ls. A full swap for around 3k can't be beat.

 

true that. everything is going v8.
a buddy of mine is swapping one into his volvo 240, which btw have serious steering angle stock.

 

Why're you posting sad things ?

 

Not trying to argue but 3k is a little exaggerated unless you reffering to just the motor beeing 3k otherwise you would be looking at a good amount more then that. I would love to go LS maybe once i blow up the rotary ill switch but i remember pricing things out and coming out to a pretty penny for a full swap engine managment and everything lol.

 

I have over $11k in my swap, a pile of broken & 'attempted' stuff, plus the labor. This includes the drivetrain, swap kit, headers & full exhaust, cooling systems, driveshafts, fuel systems, wiring, tuning, 2 transmissions, 2 torque converters, full drag slicks, full suspension, 2 t2 diffs, Tuning software, and all the other mods.... and only $500 was the shell(that looks like poo, frankly). To say the least I've 'learned' a few things along the way.

if you're very lucky you can find a good LS drivetrain(motor/trans/wiring/PCM) for less than $3k. let me state that again: very lucky, persistent, willing to compromise, or part a car to get it.

~Andre

 

dang it seems everyone wants a v8. guess its causae a lot of these "older" guys wanna get into the scene and all then know is V8's. and hell a SBC is extremely easy to hook up, well at least if you went carb. like 2 wires. i think thats the main reason the stock motors in all these cars is being shifted to a v8. simplicity when it comes to setting them up.

 

I think it has more to do with getting reliable horsepower and tons of torque which v8's deliver well. If you watch a v8 powered drift car it slides so effortlessly. Has nothing to do with being old school.

 

im not talking about it being old school, ok well maybe i am a tad bit. but its more like a lot of the guys gettin involved in stuffing a v8 into a drifter are 30-50 year olds that grew up with a v8 under teh hood and know how to make that thing go. not a lot of this "older" (see there it is again in quotes) guys are up to speed with the whole japanese motor deal.

but also it does make it a lot less effortless with a v8 under the hood than the stocker. and because of this i believe that im going to the dark side soon if i cant get the tii to function properly

 

I'm with you, personally even if you don't care, a rotary engine belongs in a seven. Otherwise it no longer is a seven. I'm happy my Chevelle V8 is in an American vehicle.

 

A V8 in anthing other than a Rotary vehicle, is fine with me. But what ever somone does to there car, is on them not me. I don't really care. I'm keepin my rotary, even though I know I'd be alot faster with a LS swap. Take the fun out of the car IMHO.

I'd put a V8 in a 240 anyday of the week. Would kick some serious ***.

On a side note I met a guy last summer that had a toyota tercell with a 5.0 swap. RWD and all. Thats a true sleeper. I'd rather be beat by a honda than a tercell.

 

they are up to speed on them.... they see younger guys getting charged cubic dollars to get power out of Japanese motors of all types.... quotes of $10K for a bottom end, $40K for a built race engine that isn't even reliable or streetable to get that power level and it still doesn't get there until 5000 RPM or higher... built cars with price tags that astound(over $100K) are not uncommon... and we all know it..... just look at the prized builds of the tuner rags.

the V8 usually has the HP and torque starting at ~2000 RPM, and it pulls to 6000rpm and many times 7000rpm.
if you know what you're doing, an LS swap can be done for under $5k, and if you have everything sorted out & lined up(some pre-assembly required), it can be done in a weekend. SBF and SBC for considerably less, but it all depends on your skills and resources.... some can be done for almost free if you're damn good at cutting deals, fabrication & welding.

What I'm saying is the reliability/HP/torque per dollar invested makes much more sense and the power curve is easier to work with in almost every application. it's on-demand power that really makes a little car shake it's tail and scoot.... or in some cases- smoke the crap out of the tires effortlessly.

not to mention, how many RWD cars from 1980 up 1) don't look like *** 2) don't weigh more than 3200lbs 3) handle decent 4) have a reasonably rigid chassis, and 5) are 2 door?

 

...So, why didn't any of those cars have V8s back then? ^_-

WallyHojo >> Thanks! ^_^

All >> I'm a purist but not too extreme.. I don't mind REWs in FBs, 20Bs in RX-8s, SR20s in 240SXs, RB26DETTs in 240Zs, Viper motors in Dodge trucks, 'vett motors in old Camaros, etc.. [My one big contradiction is rotaries in other cars - more on this in a sec]

If you build it well, I will respect the care and quality of your work. I promise.

..But I can't respect the choice of that build. It feels like a waste to me, as if eventually there will be no more RX-7s, just VX-7s and I HATE[!!] waste. [I'm a good little boy and recycle all my papers, plastic, etc]

Whereas, say, putting a 13B into a Porsche doesn't bother me, because I KNOW, that only a couple guys will do that, and there will forever be countless original Porsches]

 

Don't let that man down.

 

japan taxes cars based on displacement. anything over 3.0L has a rediculous amount of tax involved (basically luxury/gas guzzler tax). it behooves the car makers to manufacture affordable cars

this may have changed recently, as theres obviously much bigger engines coming out of japan now, but this was definately true through the 80s and 90s. the biggest engine you'll see from this era is the 3.2L NSX, which was marketed as a supercar and taxed as such.

 

Just stepping into the scene of rotary engines, I'll have to say that I am very happy with what they can do. Personally, I see no need to put a V8 in an RX7. Then again, I truly believe that the right tool for the job is always best. if for whatever reason you "need" what a V8 can deliver, by all means. However, I think that it would probably be a better investment to look into another car altogether at that point.

 

 

I'll add to what Josh stated- the gas crunch of the 70's spurred the tax system on displacement. It not only applied to cars but motorcycles as well. the reason we see used 30K mile Japanese engines advertised at cheap prices is that they tax any engine over that at an exponential rate... their reasoning is because the cars see very little highway use during that 30K... and it was based on old technology that wore out quickly (carburetors washing down cylinders on shutdown was the main culprit)... I recall a time when any car over 100k was considered 'done' with both engine and transmission needing rebuilds, now it's not uncommon to see 250K on a car with only basic maintenance.



All Hail the swap god, for he knoweth all and we shall bow and pray to he that knoweth. for the mixing of brands is blaspheme, and he shall strike you down as the heretic that thou art for daring to chose the powerplant other than meets his approval... for he shall smite you with his glaring eyes and copious internet insults.

get off the high horse, with the holier-than-thou horse crap.

 

To the first part: OK.
Were there any European cars that met similar fates? Not that I know them[EU cars] as well, but I recall only luxury vehicles from Europe [Neglecting exotics] that had big engines. I could be wrong here though.

And the second part: LOL.. I wondered if someone would say something like that.

Mixing mindsets is the problem. 240Zs has Japanese straight 6s, RX-7s has Rotary "eXperimental" engines, American trucks have Big-F-ing V engines.. There is a pattern to my madness ^_-

I never said that from a *technical* perspective a piston swap into an RX was in any way bad, I know well it's completely true that <insert properly V8 swapped car> can beat my car in a drag race, on autoX, on the street between lights, on the dyno, etc. I know this, I don't dispute it, I don't think I ever have [since learning what both are capable of]

But... Mazda builds rotary cars to be rotary cars. They talk about the feeling, the sound, and the spirit of the whole car, rotors and all.... This doesn't change when you stay in a rotary swap [though you could probably convince me without too much effort that a 20B doesn't belong without an extreme swap]

Here's a funny picture to imagine [I'm trying to show you my mindset]

Imagine you have a kid. You love your kid just the way he/she is. You see people talking about their kid. They say that they cut out his heart and replaced it with an air compressor. [Feel free to laugh ^_^] Apparently having an air compressor instead of a heart makes the other kid twice as strong, twice as fast, but it also makes them sound like an angry Arnold Schwarzenegger. They talk about how much better their kid is than everyone else's kid with a normal heart, and claim that everyone else's kid is going to randomly have a heart attack at anytime when they exert themselves and that they don't want to deal with that.

Yes, a *ella'va metaphor!

I'm not sure if that'll come across right, but it's the best I can do ATM..

GoodNight! ^_^

 

[QUOTE=fliaznguy;10135450] if for whatever reason you "need" what a V8 can deliver, by all means. /QUOTE]

since when do sports cars ever settle for "need"? theyre just toys. i like mine to be extrafun

 

[QUOTE=Josh18_2k;10136652]I suppose that's true...

 

[quote=Josh18_2k;10136652]I guess some people see it as a toy and others see it as a passion. It would be like taking a Ferrari and ripping out the engine to put in a Honda B18. Maybe not to that extreme but you get the idea i hope.

 

That is indeed a good way to look at it Wally. For some it is a toy...For some of us though, it's a passion.