I think a few people on this post need a little Jesus in their hearts. Sing along fellas...Cumba-ya my Lord...cumba-ya...cumba-ya ma Lord..cumba-ya! Sure I can't spell...GET OVER IT!!!!! He got laid. She liked it, he liked it, and best off he didn't have to sign a death certificate that says marriage over the top of it! By the way..I have been married for years now to a wonderful woman, have three kids and have'nt a single fight with my wife. I think what he did is acceptable. Would I advise it to say myself? NOOOOOO. To a free spirited single guy? Yep.

 

I can't believe some of the stuff I have read about this post! I firmly believe that what fully informed consenting adults do behind closed doors is no one's business but their own. I resent politicians and otherwise uptight hypocrites trying to legislate morality. I don't need anyone telling me what I can and cannot do in the privacy of my bedroom. I further resent these same uptight hypocrites and politicians telling me I am not capable of deciding what my morals and values should be. I am off on a tangeant here, started by some of the preposterous statements I have read.

Naturally, everyone is entitled to their opinion. In my humble opinion, we were created to be sexual beings, in fact we have sex for pleasure when just about every other animal on this planet only has sex to procreate. But society has taught us our natural urges are wrong unless we are in a committed relationship and we must be monogamous. Who says that is the right way? Who determines what is right and what is wrong? Those who have to power to dictate is who does the determining. We've had some pretty whacked out people in power throughout history.

The way I look at it, no one has put me up on a pedastal and given me the power to judge. "Judge not lest thee be judges thyself." Metallica said that but I'm sure it's in the Bible somewhere. I think Cartapex shared his experience with us because he had the time of his life and good for him! He had an encounter with a hot chick that cost him but I think it is a memory he will carry with him for a very long time! How many of you who have different morals or views on the subject have a memory close to his? What is your best memory of sex? Your s.o. saying yes on a Tuesday night instead of the usual Saturday night? Life is way too short, one needs to grab the world by the ***** and run with it, you never know when that proverbial bus is going to run into you!

 

I think some women act in this manner merely because that's what their man expects. Kind of out of spite for the fact they are under appreciated or the "love" is under appreciated. Sex means more to women than the average man, plain and simple, and if the man thinks he only gets it for material objects or obeying her "rules" then that's all he'll get.

Love your woman and you'll never be unhappy. My girl loves me, and I love her. We share costs on everything as well. We basically take turns paying for our outings and what not, because we both want to share in the cost of the relationship. She buys me things, I buy her things, it's quite nice

Some men today are just to cynical.

 

HA Jesus said that when odly enough a mob was going to stone a prostitute. He told them whoever has not yet sinned can throw the first stone.

 

While I consider myself a fairly moral individual who has had a very healthy relationship with the same girl for almost 2 years, and still HAS said relationship...I probably woulda hit that *** too

No, really, the main reason why I would never do something like that (well, assuming I wasnt being lead by my **** at the time) is dissease. I am deathly afraid of STD's. But damn that was a nice ***....

 

**** yeah!! Well put! By the way..Moto was the sinner, not me!

 

Someone has some sugar in their pockets...j/k...not really

 

Sheesh, I can't keep track of who said what anymore on this topic!! I suppose looking at names would be helpful but then again, I'm blonde!

 

Cool. Does that make it right?

Right!

So is death, rape, murder, torture, fear, hate, lies and stealing... Your argument that "It's part of human life" is ridiculous... You're basically saying that nothing is either 'good' nor 'bad' and that everything should be accepted based soley on the fact that it happens.

Sorry.

I don't know what to say except that you could be right... (yes, I note the sarcasm)

Wow... What you posted is blatantly hypocritical... It actually makes no sense at all. You say that marriage equals death and then in the next sentence you say that you're married to a wonderful women... I seriously want to pull my hair out right now...

I'll let Blake answer this one.

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People murder behind closed doors, more often than in broad-daylight... Does this make "closed door" murder right? I only use this (terribly) extreme example to show the fallacy of your "closed door equals OK" position.

Then again, what are you saying? Are you saying that "consentual sex" or "prostitution" is wrong if not done behind closed doors??? How dare you!...


So... Do you believe in Justice? Hmm... Would you consider rape immoral? If so, you refute your "legislate morality" argument, because rape has been "legislated" as being "immoral" and therefore against the law...

Oh? You didn't seem so enthusiastic when you posted:

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Ohhh... THAT'S why we were created.

Interesting stance. I'll let you ponder this one.

Hmm.. I'll take your battle-cry further; "The evil society has taught us wrong and right, how dare they!?! We must stand against the onslaught of history and the good men who will "legislate" morality and hold us back from doing whatever we want!"

Oh... so you DO believe in right and wrong? Obviously if you consider something as NOT being right, you have an idea of what is?

Well I would say that it's obvious that you know that there is such thing as 'right' and 'wrong' (you've reiterated it several times)--but I think it's silly that you would ascribe it to a 'historical conspiracy' wherby the 'dictators of history' have determined what is right and wrong, and that they've been 'whacked out'... (Isn't this a judgement of them being wrong?) Anyways, I would view this universal and historical morality entirely different... Actually quite opposed to your interpretation.

I think it actually proves 'concrete morality' instead of refuting it...

Agreed. I will only make judgments in certain cases. Like for example; when the title of the thread is: *Escort offer.. take it or no?*

Here's the problem. Some people just don't want to be judged because they know they've done wrong... However, if your mother were raped, you'd want the f*cker to be judged, correct? (pissed) Everyone wants 'exempt status' when they're at fault, but Justice when they've been wronged...

Wow... Who would ever consider having sex with a prostitute as being the "time of their life"? I seriously doubt that even 'afgmoto1978' would agree with you on this one.

What a great and lasting memory... Something to tell the grandchildren.

Hmm... The "proverbial bus", eh? I bet you'd be peturbed if I broke down your phraseology...

BTW, I am a hypocrite, but at least I don't try to down-play it pretending that there's no such thing as morality... It's funny too though, because the 'moral relativists' are always quick to point out the hypocrisy in the people who actually do believe in right and wrong... By doing this they label hypocrisy as being wrong, without realizing that they're making a moral judgement in doing so...

 

Great point and reference. Although he did finish by saying, "Now go and sin no more". Which is important because he condemns her action while at the same time giving her grace.

 

That sounds nice, does she have a hot sister that I can be moral with?

 

Hell it's a free country. If somebody wants to pay for a nice piece of *** and gets his rocks off-so be it. We're all ****** in someway.We get our significant others so we can get some nookie, kiss someones *** to get up the corporate ladder,etc.Anybody who thinks they are more righteous than the next person usually has some serious skeletons in their closet (more than likely are Republican also - had to put that one in there Apex) .**** why should anybody give a rats *** if his neighbor is slaming some chick who wanted to make a few easy bucks. That's whats wrong with this country-we say we are a free society but we are always trying to get into somebody's elses life and say this is how you should live and act (no I do believe murder,rapr,theivery are wrong and punishable by a slow death). I guess what I'm trying to say is that if it's not hurting anybody , why should anybody besides to two parties involved really care ?

 

People murder behind closed doors, more often than in broad-daylight... Does this make "closed door" murder right? I only use this (terribly) extreme example to show the fallacy of your "closed door equals OK" position.

Then again, what are you saying? Are you saying that "consentual sex" or "prostitution" is wrong if not done behind closed doors??? How dare you!

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This is ludicrous,what I said was 'TWO FULLY INFORMED CONSENTING ADULTS" and I don't know anyone who would consent to being murdered so your argument is lame. "Closed doors" was meant figuratively, but I suppose for those who take everything they read literally I should say "privately." I do not know where you get the idea that I think consentual sex or prostitution is wrong, again if it's between consenting adults it is really none of my business.


How this whole topic became a debate of morality is beyond me so I'm going to stop right here and not perpetuate the BS. I think the majority of the people who read what I posted understood what I was saying.

 

That's why I emphasized the 'closed door' aspect of your position, not the act itself. My point being that since you think that the act of consentual sex or prostitution would be OK if it were hidden from view, I deduce that you think it would be wrong if done in public... This is a moral posture.

Not sure if you meant to say "right" as opposed to "wrong", so I won't respond. However, I agree that it's none of my business... Unless of course someone creates a thread in the NW section asking what I think about prostitution...

Again, the title of this thread suggests elements of a moral question. I would never create a thread titled "Prostitution is BAD!!!" but if someone asks me what I think, I'll give an honest answer. My answer stems from morality--and your view that it's OK if done behind closed doors is a moral stance as well.

And I understood what you were saying.

 

I believe my original statement was whatever consenting adults do behind closed doors is no one else's business. Where in that statement did I refer to prostitution? I suppose it could be assumed that's what I meant based on the topic of this thread. I meant WHATEVER consenting adults do, if two adults want to dress up in clown costumes and compare shoe sizes, as long as they aren't stepping on my toes, who cares?

I DO NOT believe prostitution is bad. That is my moral stance.

 

Actually Chimps have sex for pleasure too. They also have gay sex. And dolphins have sex for pleasure. Scientists know beacuse the male will pull out and aim for the ****.

 

If it's two concenting adults it's hardly murder, it's more like Doctor assisted suicide. And who am I to tell someone when it's their time to die?
Closed doors and consent makes it oksy.

 

She has a couple sisters. One is rich, lives in Bellevue with her rich husband, has never worked a day in her life, and is a stuck up *****. The other one is pretty cool, but shes all super artsy Seattle chick, and lives with her boyfriend.

 

Yah we studied the homosexual chimp thing in my biocultural anthropology class, pretty weird stuff.

 

Well... Dogs have sex for pleasure too, right? Humping legs etc. Definitely not procreating there.

However I believe that humans aren't animals in the sense of the word. So, if Mr. Monkey at the San Diego zoo wants to beat off and fling jizz all over little children that's fine... He's a monkey. But if Mr. Hyper does the same, he goes to jail for 20 years.

Well, as I mentioned earlier my focus is on the 'closed door equals OK' position (not necessarily what's going on behind those doors).

Consent and closed doors make it OK? What about sex with a consenting minor?

 

Depends on the age. Not taking any position at this point, only quoting Washington state law for those that are curious.

The age of consent in the state of Washington is 16 years old. Once anyone reaches the age of 16 in WA they may have sex with anyone older, no matter what age. However, if the person holds an authoritative position (boss, etc) they may be no more than 5 years older.

Younger than 16 the age brackets may have sex with anyone 48 months, 36 months, and 24 months older for 15, 14, and 13 respectively. Something like that, I don't remember the exact stuff for under the age of 16 from my law class, but that's the jist of it.

Now, whether or not that's good, is another story


Before you do anything, just think to yourself, what would jesus do? Then you'll know if it's the right thing to do or not

 

Just like dave chappel said at 15 we're adult enought to get tried as adults for murder, but can't have sex if we want to? And monkeys don't ********** in the wild. It's unknown why they do it in captivity, but it's never been whitnessed in the wild. Not all dogs hump legs, only dumb dogs. Seriously I was a dog and cat xpert at my first job. only dogs that are from "dumb" breeds hump legs, and it's not for pleasure it's because they want to procreate with everything!

 

Who's stopping 15 year olds from having sex? Last time I checked, no one haha

Monkeys ********** in captivity because they are into voyeurism, in the wild they don't have to worry about it as much. Plus in captivity they have less chance for promiscuous monkey lovin.

And dogs are just dumb period

 

Was it Dave Chappel that described the difference between men and women being a woman can wake up in the morning and decide to have sex that day and she will. Where a man gets up in the morning and hopes that just maybe he might get laid?

Thank you for furthering my education regarding animals and sexual pleasure, learn something new everyday. . . !

AND I do not think it's okay for an adult to have sex with a minor, consenting or not. Most minors do not have enough life experience to make informed decisions. But don't forget about the 16 year old that looks 20! A friend of mine had that happen, he now is a registered sex offender because the girl lied about her age and when he ended the relationship, she cried rape. Most of the men I know live by the "16 will get you 20" rule.

 

Happened to a friend of mine too... Got drunk and there happened to be a 'promiscuous' type 15 year old girl at the party he was at... One blow-job and 6th months in jail are what he recieved for making that decision...

BTW, how did you guys get this (unusual to me) animal knowledge? Haha, it's interesting.