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Old Feb 13, 2014 | 09:42 PM
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Forced induction means that it produces a significant amount of boost, which the NA S5 does not. Nice try though. FYI, the other 13B DEI (Dynamic Effect Intake) engines use a similar effect, as do many other automotive engines that incorporate a Helmholtz resonator or similar inlet effect.
I was just being " technical " hahaha I know it makes almost no boost if any haha
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Old Feb 13, 2014 | 11:01 PM
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You guys have been very helpful thank you
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Old Feb 13, 2014 | 11:02 PM
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Thanks for all the information guys.
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Old Feb 14, 2014 | 09:00 AM
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IMO, if you stay NA you don't really need a 2-pc eccentric shaft with center bearing as long as your rotating assembly is properly balanced and race clearanced.

what I would do:

-street ports primary and secondary
-semi peripheral ports on the rotor housings
-custom staged intake manifold to keep secondaries and semi-p ports closed until triggered
-rx-8 rotor gears or other hardened gears
-9.7:1 scalloped, lightened, clearanced and balanced rotating assembly
-2-pc ceramic apex seals
-oil mods (increased pressure, external line, etc)
-cooling jacket mods
-good tuning running premix

you could get or surpass 300 whp this way with a streetable and durable setup
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Old Feb 14, 2014 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by neit_jnf
IMO, if you stay NA you don't really need a 2-pc eccentric shaft with center bearing as long as your rotating assembly is properly balanced and race clearanced.

what I would do:

-street ports primary and secondary
-semi peripheral ports on the rotor housings
-custom staged intake manifold to keep secondaries and semi-p ports closed until triggered
-rx-8 rotor gears or other hardened gears
-9.7:1 scalloped, lightened, clearanced and balanced rotating assembly
-2-pc ceramic apex seals
-oil mods (increased pressure, external line, etc)
-cooling jacket mods
-good tuning running premix

you could get or surpass 300 whp this way with a streetable and durable setup
So how do you know that is legal for his race class? It isn't even remotely legal for the class that I race in.
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Old Feb 14, 2014 | 02:18 PM
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Does he specify a race class anywhere in the thread?

All I see is summer street driving with some track with a streetable not too loud 300 hp all motor goal. So that's the motor I'd build for this scenario.
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Old Feb 14, 2014 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by neit_jnf
Does he specify a race class anywhere in the thread?
No, and that is exactly the problem.
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Old Feb 14, 2014 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by neit_jnf
you could get or surpass 300 whp this way with a streetable and durable setup
any links or references?
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Old Feb 15, 2014 | 07:31 PM
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there's a well documented NA 20B with 9.7 rotors, ceramic apex seals, staged semi-p ports, etc. dynoed at 475whp. its somewhere in this or other rotary forum.

a 13B with similar treatment should be at a little over 300whp.
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Old Feb 16, 2014 | 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by neit_jnf
there's a well documented NA 20B with 9.7 rotors, ceramic apex seals, staged semi-p ports, etc. dynoed at 475whp. its somewhere in this or other rotary forum.
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any links or references?
The hill climb motors had a similar setup, but a higher rpm and more tweaks. Horsepower = (torque * rpm) /5252. Therefore, high-rpm engines will produce a lot of horsepower even though they don't have much torque.
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Old Feb 16, 2014 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by neit_jnf
a 13B with similar treatment should be at a little over 300whp.
this is the reason i asked. it does make sense on paper, but i was curious to see if someone has actually done it yet. i am very aware of what Logan's car did when it had the 20B, but your previous posts assert "13B semi-pp", "get or surpass 300 HP", "streetable", and "durable" as established. and it's not that i doubt any of it is possible, it's just it may be a little bit "cart before the horse."
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Old Feb 16, 2014 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil Aviator
The hill climb motors had a similar setup, but a higher rpm and more tweaks.
i'm going to poke around and see what i can find on these when i get some time. i am intrigued. outside of Millen when he used to run rotaries, i'm not very familiar with what setups hill climb rotary guys run.
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Old Feb 16, 2014 | 06:19 PM
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i'm going to poke around and see what i can find on these when i get some time. i am intrigued. outside of Millen when he used to run rotaries, i'm not very familiar with what setups hill climb rotary guys run.
SPiN Racing on this forum (although he is mostly on the other forum) has one of the old engines. If you ask, he may send you a picture of the display board that he brought to DGRR. It has a bunch of stats and pictures of the car. It's pretty neat, but unfortunately I don't have any pictures, and I'm also not sure how much information he wants to share on the internet.
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Old Feb 16, 2014 | 06:42 PM
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Max HP on a 13b ?-image-1753998346.jpg
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Old Feb 16, 2014 | 06:50 PM
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Found some information through racing beat.
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Old Feb 17, 2014 | 07:43 AM
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that information is a little dated, but (in my opinion) i think it may be more inline with what the average DIY-er can likely achieve.
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Old Feb 18, 2014 | 11:49 AM
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I really don't like ceramic seal for this low hp target....

I prefere a major housing wear then the risk to shatter a ceramica seal and๒ destroy alla inside the engine
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