Need Help Got Owned by a civic coupe b16
Honestly dude, dont even lower yourself to Hondas. The Rx7 is a rotary powered REAR WHEEL drive sports car. An S4 NA has only 146HP to the rear wheels, there is alot of power loss and lag in that, but its nothing to be ashamed of because we can drift...... without snow and E-brakes. A Honda is a compact economy class family vehicle that teens buy because their relatively cheap and somewhat sporty. I will challange any Honda without boost or a $2000 suspention to go around a track with any FC boosted or not. Then lets see who talks.
Hondas may have been just econo shitboxes, but their quality was great for the price. They handle awesome, Honda got the double wishbone nailed and they have a bunch of factory upgrade options from other models (Integra, Prelude, etc) plus a booming aftermarket full of upgrades.
Just because they weren't a sports car from the factory doesn't mean they can't be a decent contender with a few bolt-ons or a swap.
Plus GTFO with that drifting ****. THAT is for teens who think they are cool.
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An S4 NA has only 146HP to the rear wheels
I will challange any Honda without boost or a $2000 suspention to go around a track with any FC boosted or not
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Honestly dude, dont even lower yourself to Hondas. The Rx7 is a rotary powered REAR WHEEL drive sports car. An S4 NA has only 146HP to the rear wheels, there is alot of power loss and lag in that, but its nothing to be ashamed of because we can drift...... without snow and E-brakes. A Honda is a compact economy class family vehicle that teens buy because their relatively cheap and somewhat sporty. I will challange any Honda without boost or a $2000 suspention to go around a track with any FC boosted or not. Then lets see who talks.
the vtech dropped another second off our laptimes too....
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For all anyone knows, just because the car says "LS" doesn't mean it has an LS engine in it. And for that matter, a slightly modded K-series engine WILL benefit from a 3" exhaust.
In fact, if you're looking for NA power, it's hard to beat a K-series. 240 whp is pretty damn easy with a few bolt-ons. Honda engines, as always, are still expensive but that's because they are damned good. K-series swapped Civics run 11's pretty easily, N/A.
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From: slc
You don't know what you're talking about.
For all anyone knows, just because the car says "LS" doesn't mean it has an LS engine in it. And for that matter, a slightly modded K-series engine WILL benefit from a 3" exhaust.
In fact, if you're looking for NA power, it's hard to beat a K-series. 240 whp is pretty damn easy with a few bolt-ons. Honda engines, as always, are still expensive but that's because they are damned good. K-series swapped Civics run 11's pretty easily, N/A.
For all anyone knows, just because the car says "LS" doesn't mean it has an LS engine in it. And for that matter, a slightly modded K-series engine WILL benefit from a 3" exhaust.
In fact, if you're looking for NA power, it's hard to beat a K-series. 240 whp is pretty damn easy with a few bolt-ons. Honda engines, as always, are still expensive but that's because they are damned good. K-series swapped Civics run 11's pretty easily, N/A.
i assume since he said LS with a few bolt on's, he meant it also had a b18b in it, not a k20a or b18c, and 2.25" is really the biggest an LS needs n/a without FI or serious compression, porting, and cams. and if it was k swapped, the teg would have beat his ***. ****, even if it had b18c, it still woulda kicked his ***, spec r or gsr.
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B16 just had I/H/E and was in a EG coupe.
An yes stock porting, about 40k miles on the engine. Power does drop off up top, but long gears offset the peak power and gave the best area under the curve. I had minor porting on the manifolds, but nothing much at all, maybe 10 minutes worth. Also I had a standalone on it, so no stock limiter, I used to have a datalog if a run I took it to 10,500 RPM, but I lost it on my old comp.
IIRC, my stock limiter was a bit past 8000 RPM.
An yes stock porting, about 40k miles on the engine. Power does drop off up top, but long gears offset the peak power and gave the best area under the curve. I had minor porting on the manifolds, but nothing much at all, maybe 10 minutes worth. Also I had a standalone on it, so no stock limiter, I used to have a datalog if a run I took it to 10,500 RPM, but I lost it on my old comp.
IIRC, my stock limiter was a bit past 8000 RPM.
Uhhh... this is why the internet is a BAD place to do research... I used to build hondas for a living... have been doing motor swaps for 13 years... a stock b16 will NOT rev to 10k+ NO NO NO! A b16 tranny doesnt have long gears either, they have short gears meant for acceleration in order to make up for the lack of torque. Also why would you have datalogging on a stock motor?
I used to have a fully built b16 from spoon... with full valvetrain and balanced and blue printed running a spoon ecu... it was set to 9k rpm though 9500 was the upper limit.
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If you are really worried about losing to thsi civic and you insist on street racing illegally, just take it to the J-rob. If he can hang with you there then something is wrong.
Dont get me wrong I dont sleep on hondas, I know quite a few well built fast civics and even accords but I have yet to see in person or even on video any real evidence of them handling half worth a damn.
Oh and get some lighter wheels with grippy tires, the ones you desrcibed will slow you down. FAlken azenis are pretty cheap for what they are. One of the best things I did to my n/a was putting vert wheels with good tires on it, the heavy 17's I had on it made it feel like a pig.
Dont get me wrong I dont sleep on hondas, I know quite a few well built fast civics and even accords but I have yet to see in person or even on video any real evidence of them handling half worth a damn.
Oh and get some lighter wheels with grippy tires, the ones you desrcibed will slow you down. FAlken azenis are pretty cheap for what they are. One of the best things I did to my n/a was putting vert wheels with good tires on it, the heavy 17's I had on it made it feel like a pig.
Uhhh... this is why the internet is a BAD place to do research... I used to build hondas for a living... have been doing motor swaps for 13 years... a stock b16 will NOT rev to 10k+ NO NO NO! A b16 tranny doesnt have long gears either, they have short gears meant for acceleration in order to make up for the lack of torque. Also why would you have datalogging on a stock motor?
I used to have a fully built b16 from spoon... with full valvetrain and balanced and blue printed running a spoon ecu... it was set to 9k rpm though 9500 was the upper limit.
I used to have a fully built b16 from spoon... with full valvetrain and balanced and blue printed running a spoon ecu... it was set to 9k rpm though 9500 was the upper limit.
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Uhhh... this is why the internet is a BAD place to do research... I used to build hondas for a living... have been doing motor swaps for 13 years... a stock b16 will NOT rev to 10k+ NO NO NO! A b16 tranny doesnt have long gears either, they have short gears meant for acceleration in order to make up for the lack of torque. Also why would you have datalogging on a stock motor?
I used to have a fully built b16 from spoon... with full valvetrain and balanced and blue printed running a spoon ecu... it was set to 9k rpm though 9500 was the upper limit.
I used to have a fully built b16 from spoon... with full valvetrain and balanced and blue printed running a spoon ecu... it was set to 9k rpm though 9500 was the upper limit.
I'd take a Honda over an NA second gen for a daily. Hell I'd probably rather have a Civic for my DD over my third gen, but I bought the 3rd gen so I'm stuck with it. 
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lmao..
dude is that your car in the sig with those baller rims?
You fail.
dude is that your car in the sig with those baller rims?
You fail.
Honestly dude, dont even lower yourself to Hondas. The Rx7 is a rotary powered REAR WHEEL drive sports car. An S4 NA has only 146HP to the rear wheels, there is alot of power loss and lag in that, but its nothing to be ashamed of because we can drift...... without snow and E-brakes. A Honda is a compact economy class family vehicle that teens buy because their relatively cheap and somewhat sporty. I will challange any Honda without boost or a $2000 suspention to go around a track with any FC boosted or not. Then lets see who talks.
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Honestly dude, dont even lower yourself to Hondas. The Rx7 is a rotary powered REAR WHEEL drive sports car. An S4 NA has only 146HP to the rear wheels, there is alot of power loss and lag in that, but its nothing to be ashamed of because we can drift...... without snow and E-brakes. A Honda is a compact economy class family vehicle that teens buy because their relatively cheap and somewhat sporty. I will challange any Honda without boost or a $2000 suspention to go around a track with any FC boosted or not. Then lets see who talks.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90rMkbXmn6U
I had my d16z6 single cam vtec in an 89 hatch ( gutted ) intake header exhaust clutch flywheel upgraded fuel and a tune.
She was beastie would beat b16's and gsr's
But now im new to the mazda's so F*ck Honda. lol
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Back when I had my PT Cruiser I beat my friends Civic SI, the 2000 model, off the line and off a roll. I was 5-speed also. From what he tells me and from what i know, the SI comes with the B16C engine, and that thing had such a high redline, somewhere up in the 8 grand from when I remember driving it. I'm pretty sure an NA S4 is faster than my PT, and if my PT could take that SI, I'm sure the Rex can take the civic in your race.
EDIT: Forgot to say he had Headers, Exhaust, and Intake. My PT was all stock
EDIT: Forgot to say he had Headers, Exhaust, and Intake. My PT was all stock
I hate Hondas as well but I have to say I've driven a couple Integras and they're decently fast...the only rotary I've driven is an RX8 (as long as I've had my 2nd gen I've never driven it because its never been running).. I've driven a few RX8s actually and oh my god are the ******* fast...I absolutely love how you can scream all the way up to 9000 rpm...its an amazing feeling.
Anyway my point is Integras are decent fast when your in the powerband, not only that the scream like a ****.. But I would never ever buy one, I find that the majority of people who own Hondas and Acuras have all kinds of untasteful modifications...its gave those companies a bad name among us IMO.
Oh BTW remind him that those triangle powered piece of **** Renesis motors will out perform any Honda NA engine... What like 220-230 hp...NA 6-port. Remind him that the Renesis won the "best engineered new motor award." (Or whatever..)
Anyway my point is Integras are decent fast when your in the powerband, not only that the scream like a ****.. But I would never ever buy one, I find that the majority of people who own Hondas and Acuras have all kinds of untasteful modifications...its gave those companies a bad name among us IMO.
Oh BTW remind him that those triangle powered piece of **** Renesis motors will out perform any Honda NA engine... What like 220-230 hp...NA 6-port. Remind him that the Renesis won the "best engineered new motor award." (Or whatever..)
Last edited by MazdaMike02; Jul 7, 2008 at 10:00 PM.
my cousin had a B16c5 (ITR) and with basic bolt on it ran low 13's... they are decent...
like other has said, flebay parts make then goes fast, but not for long... sort of like going cheap on RX, it will run fast but not for long...
like other has said, flebay parts make then goes fast, but not for long... sort of like going cheap on RX, it will run fast but not for long...
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Honda engines r ok, but what really makes there cars fast is their weight. It a known fact that the13b has made more power in NA form than any 4 cylinder has ever made to this day and we're stuck with the same old technology while honda is still making new engines. There is alot of quick hondas out there, but its not because they make a **** load of hp, like I said before its their weight. But what I dont get is why do alot of honda fans think that all they need is a couple bolt ons and magically end up with a 13 second car. I already know it aint that easy because I raced alot of pretty modded hondas around my way on my streetport setup and 90% didn't stand a chance. I will admit that the other 10% were quick but they invested way more money than I did. Iam willing to bet that he can beat this particular honda, all he has to do is throw every basic mod at his 7 including some kind of stadalone, and with a good tune it should be a good race.
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From: tampa
I HAVE seen 14 sec Civics- A LOT! You can HEAR the VTEC...that let's you know how far he is reving. I 'beat' a 92 Prelude (stock, non-vtec) with my 87 RX7- stock, I still have my cats on!! Of couse, the Prelude is about 800lbs heavier. I'm looking to get rid or my cats...
wow the amount of people talking about honda that have no clue are amazing lol anywho i'll say this if you have an s4 rx7 there is no way you will beat a b16 eg coupe of the line no chance no way you'll still be in first and he'll already be half way through second.
im a former civic guy done enough motor swap it got boring i wanted to try something diff
I know of the line i cant beat a b16 with my s5 with header and exhaust but on the highway i can pull one...
im a former civic guy done enough motor swap it got boring i wanted to try something diff
I know of the line i cant beat a b16 with my s5 with header and exhaust but on the highway i can pull one...
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Honestly dude, dont even lower yourself to Hondas. The Rx7 is a rotary powered REAR WHEEL drive sports car. An S4 NA has only 146HP to the rear wheels, there is alot of power loss and lag in that, but its nothing to be ashamed of because we can drift...... without snow and E-brakes. A Honda is a compact economy class family vehicle that teens buy because their relatively cheap and somewhat sporty. I will challange any Honda without boost or a $2000 suspention to go around a track with any FC boosted or not. Then lets see who talks.